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Old September 17th 03, 03:07 PM
Greg Neill
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"Phyloe" wrote in message
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Read the article on Gravity in the October 2003 Discover magazine. The
author talks about how the force of gravity may be much different than we
think. He mentions that Pioneer 10, launched in 1972 is actually slowing
down the further it gets from the sun. this article may have some
interesting information for your story and how you will define the "edge".
Phyloe


Of course, we expect Pioneer 10 to slow down the further it
gets from the Sun. This is standard gravity theory.

The thing about Pioneer is that it exhibits an anomalous
acceleration; it is slowing down very, very, very slightly
quicker than we would expect. Did I mention that it was
*very* slightly? :-)

The jury is still out as to the underlying reason for the
anomaly.

Efforts to modify the nature of the gravitational force
(MOND theories) in order to explain such things as the
non-Keplerian velocity profiles of galactic rotation
curves run into problems such as not every galaxy exhibits
such a profile.




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Old September 17th 03, 07:11 PM
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In message , Greg Neill
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"Dario Vittori" wrote in message
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If I took off from earth and was traveling at the speed of light, how
long would it take to get to the edge of the sun's gravity well or
gravitational influence?

It's just a hypothetical question, it's for a short story and I want to
get it right.

Thanks.


The Sun's "sphere of influence" can be defined as the
region in which its gravity dominates over other stars.
The nearest neighbouring star (Proxima Centauri)is about
4.2 light years away, so figure (very) roughly half that
distance.

The other definition of the edge of the solar system is the heliopause,
where the solar wind gives way to the interstellar medium. The Voyager
probes haven't reached it yet, so it's at least twice as far as Pluto.
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void"
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Old September 17th 03, 07:11 PM
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In message , Greg Neill
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"Dario Vittori" wrote in message
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If I took off from earth and was traveling at the speed of light, how
long would it take to get to the edge of the sun's gravity well or
gravitational influence?

It's just a hypothetical question, it's for a short story and I want to
get it right.

Thanks.


The Sun's "sphere of influence" can be defined as the
region in which its gravity dominates over other stars.
The nearest neighbouring star (Proxima Centauri)is about
4.2 light years away, so figure (very) roughly half that
distance.

The other definition of the edge of the solar system is the heliopause,
where the solar wind gives way to the interstellar medium. The Voyager
probes haven't reached it yet, so it's at least twice as far as Pluto.
--
"Forty millions of miles it was from us, more than forty millions of miles of
void"
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Old September 17th 03, 11:24 PM
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Thanks Guys, you all been helpful.


Dario.

Greg Neill wrote:
"Phyloe" wrote in message
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Read the article on Gravity in the October 2003 Discover magazine. The
author talks about how the force of gravity may be much different than we
think. He mentions that Pioneer 10, launched in 1972 is actually slowing
down the further it gets from the sun. this article may have some
interesting information for your story and how you will define the "edge".
Phyloe



Of course, we expect Pioneer 10 to slow down the further it
gets from the Sun. This is standard gravity theory.

The thing about Pioneer is that it exhibits an anomalous
acceleration; it is slowing down very, very, very slightly
quicker than we would expect. Did I mention that it was
*very* slightly? :-)

The jury is still out as to the underlying reason for the
anomaly.

Efforts to modify the nature of the gravitational force
(MOND theories) in order to explain such things as the
non-Keplerian velocity profiles of galactic rotation
curves run into problems such as not every galaxy exhibits
such a profile.





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Old September 17th 03, 11:24 PM
Dario Vittori
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Thanks Guys, you all been helpful.


Dario.

Greg Neill wrote:
"Phyloe" wrote in message
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Read the article on Gravity in the October 2003 Discover magazine. The
author talks about how the force of gravity may be much different than we
think. He mentions that Pioneer 10, launched in 1972 is actually slowing
down the further it gets from the sun. this article may have some
interesting information for your story and how you will define the "edge".
Phyloe



Of course, we expect Pioneer 10 to slow down the further it
gets from the Sun. This is standard gravity theory.

The thing about Pioneer is that it exhibits an anomalous
acceleration; it is slowing down very, very, very slightly
quicker than we would expect. Did I mention that it was
*very* slightly? :-)

The jury is still out as to the underlying reason for the
anomaly.

Efforts to modify the nature of the gravitational force
(MOND theories) in order to explain such things as the
non-Keplerian velocity profiles of galactic rotation
curves run into problems such as not every galaxy exhibits
such a profile.





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Old September 17th 03, 11:47 PM
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"Roger Hamlett" wrote in
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"Dario Vittori" wrote in message
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If I took off from earth and was traveling at the speed of light, how
long would it take to get to the edge of the sun's gravity well or
gravitational influence?

It's just a hypothetical question, it's for a short story and I want
to get it right.

In one sense, if your detector is sensitive enough, never...
How far away, you can detect gravitational influence, depends on how
accurately you can measure. Realistically (unless it is essential),
why not use the heliopause as the 'edge'?. This is the 'point', where
the solar wind gets turned 'back' by gravity.


No. The solar wind is not turned back by gravity at all - it's speed is
much greater that the solar system escape velocity. The heliopause is the
point where the solar wind becomes too rarified to have any noticeable
effect on the interstellar medium.

Llanzlan


The exact distance is
unknown, but the predicted distance, is in the order of 100AU beyond
the major planets. So if you took a timescale of about 1000 minutes
(starting at the Sun), you would not be far off.

Best Wishes




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Old September 17th 03, 11:47 PM
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"Roger Hamlett" wrote in
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"Dario Vittori" wrote in message
...
If I took off from earth and was traveling at the speed of light, how
long would it take to get to the edge of the sun's gravity well or
gravitational influence?

It's just a hypothetical question, it's for a short story and I want
to get it right.

In one sense, if your detector is sensitive enough, never...
How far away, you can detect gravitational influence, depends on how
accurately you can measure. Realistically (unless it is essential),
why not use the heliopause as the 'edge'?. This is the 'point', where
the solar wind gets turned 'back' by gravity.


No. The solar wind is not turned back by gravity at all - it's speed is
much greater that the solar system escape velocity. The heliopause is the
point where the solar wind becomes too rarified to have any noticeable
effect on the interstellar medium.

Llanzlan


The exact distance is
unknown, but the predicted distance, is in the order of 100AU beyond
the major planets. So if you took a timescale of about 1000 minutes
(starting at the Sun), you would not be far off.

Best Wishes




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Old September 18th 03, 11:20 PM
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"Greg Neill" wrote in message
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"Phyloe" wrote in message
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Read the article on Gravity in the October 2003 Discover magazine.

The
author talks about how the force of gravity may be much different than

we
think. He mentions that Pioneer 10, launched in 1972 is actually slowing
down the further it gets from the sun. this article may have some
interesting information for your story and how you will define the

"edge".
Phyloe


Of course, we expect Pioneer 10 to slow down the further it
gets from the Sun. This is standard gravity theory.

The thing about Pioneer is that it exhibits an anomalous
acceleration; it is slowing down very, very, very slightly
quicker than we would expect. Did I mention that it was
*very* slightly? :-)

The jury is still out as to the underlying reason for the
anomaly.


I think it is a tractorbeam, captain.



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Old September 18th 03, 11:20 PM
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"Greg Neill" wrote in message
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"Phyloe" wrote in message
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Read the article on Gravity in the October 2003 Discover magazine.

The
author talks about how the force of gravity may be much different than

we
think. He mentions that Pioneer 10, launched in 1972 is actually slowing
down the further it gets from the sun. this article may have some
interesting information for your story and how you will define the

"edge".
Phyloe


Of course, we expect Pioneer 10 to slow down the further it
gets from the Sun. This is standard gravity theory.

The thing about Pioneer is that it exhibits an anomalous
acceleration; it is slowing down very, very, very slightly
quicker than we would expect. Did I mention that it was
*very* slightly? :-)

The jury is still out as to the underlying reason for the
anomaly.


I think it is a tractorbeam, captain.



 




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