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Russia is just doing great:(
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/
I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... |
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Russia is just doing great:(
On Feb 3, 10:29*pm, bob haller wrote:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Russia orders Soyuz delays in wake of test mishap BY WILLIAM HARWOOD STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS "SPACE PLACE" & USED WITH PERMISSION Posted: February 2, 2012 Russian space managers have ordered delays for upcoming manned Soyuz flights to the International Space Station in the wake of a test mishap that over pressurized and damaged the descent module of a Soyuz scheduled for launch March 30 to ferry three fresh crew members to the International Space Station, a senior NASA managers said Thursday. File image of a Soyuz capsule. The crew module is the center section. Credit: Energia Mike Suffredini, manager of the space station program at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, said his Russian counterparts informed the station team they had decided to scrap the damaged descent module and to accelerate processing of the next downstream Soyuz to take its place. As a result, three of the station's current six crew members -- commander Daniel Burbank, Anton Shkaplerov and Anatoly Ivanishin -- will extend their stay in orbit by a month and a half and return to Earth April 30 and the crew that had planned to launch on March 30 -- Gennady Padalka, Sergei Revin and Joseph Acaba -- will be delayed to May 15. "During pressure testing of the descent module and the pressurized section of the propulsion module, the vehicle was over pressurized and as a result, it caused a leak in the area where the hydrogen peroxide system is housed for the thrusters that are used during descent and landing," Suffredini told reporters. "As a result of that, our Russian colleagues have chosen to not fly this particular vehicle and they've set it aside. A commission has been formed to try to figure out what the cause of the over pressure event was and how to make sure it doesn't happen in the future." The test mishap was the latest in a string of setbacks to rock the Russian space program in recent months, including the destruction of an unmanned Progress supply ship last August and the failure of a high- profile Mars probe launched in November that crashed back to Earth last month. The Progress failure triggered a two-month launch delay for Burbank and his crewmates, shortening their stay aboard the station. The decision to extend their mission by six weeks in the wake of the Soyuz over pressurization mishap will result in a 168-day flight, just slightly less than the originally planned duration. Outside experts have questioned Russian quality control, but Suffredini said the problems appeared to be unrelated and he expressed confidence his counterparts will get to the bottom of the latest incident, implement corrective actions and move on. "Our Russian colleagues have had a number of challenges last year relative to launches," Suffredini said. "They take that very seriously and are trying to look for any consistent clues across the board. None of those incidents point toward the team that builds the Progress and Soyuz spacecraft themselves at Energia in Moscow. "This particular event is very unfortunate, but you know this is a complicated business and things happen. To me, this is not indicative of some over-arching problem at the Energia Corp. i do not know the cause, it could have been a regulator failure, could have been human error, they're of sorting that out. I have every confidence they'll figure out the cause of this and rectify it for the future." File image of Soyuz spacecraft and larger in assembly building. Credit: Energia Discarding the Soyuz damaged in the pressure test and moving up downstream spacecraft will trigger delays for most of the year's remaining crew rotation flights. Acaba's crew, now tentatively scheduled for launch May 15, will use the Soyuz that had been slated for use by Sunita Williams, Yuri Malenchenko and Japanese astronaut Akihiko Hoshide. Williams and her crewmates, originally scheduled for launch May 30, now hope to take off around July 15 aboard a Soyuz originally scheduled for launch Sept. 26. The crew of that flight -- Oleg Novitskiy, Evgeni Tarelkin and Kevin Ford -- will use the next Soyuz in the sequence and take off around Oct. 15. The year's final flight, with Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield, Thomas Marshburn and Yuri Romanenko, will slip from Nov. 26 to around Dec. 5. The launch delays will require several crews to extend their stays in orbit to help minimize the time the station has to be manned by a reduced crew if three. But overall, Suffredini said, the impact was minimal. "I have every confidence they will sort through this, figure out what the fix is in the process and ensure that future vehicles don't get damaged," he said. |
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Russia is just doing great:(
On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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Russia is just doing great:(
On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ |
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On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even better. BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface of Venus. Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of worthless media eyecandy and hype. http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even better. BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface of Venus. Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of worthless media eyecandy and hype. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use success as a indicator. today its just one failure after another........ just look at phobos grunt....... |
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On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even better. BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface of Venus. Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of worthless media eyecandy and hype. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use success as a indicator. today its just one failure after another........ just look at phobos grunt....... I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support is kind of in the space toilet. They'll need to take it up a couple notches in order to stay at least even. However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along, whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric utility bill so that their lights can stay on. http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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On Feb 4, 5:27*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even better. BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface of Venus. Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of worthless media eyecandy and hype. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use success as a indicator. today its just one failure after another........ just look at phobos grunt....... I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support is kind of in the space toilet. *They'll need to take it up a couple notches in order to stay at least even. However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along, whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric utility bill so that their lights can stay on. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - phobos grunt. russias space program is in disarray. likely cause will be poor quality control with schedule coming first |
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Russia is just doing great:(
On Feb 4, 3:05*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 4, 5:27*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even better. BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface of Venus. Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of worthless media eyecandy and hype. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use success as a indicator. today its just one failure after another........ just look at phobos grunt....... I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support is kind of in the space toilet. *They'll need to take it up a couple notches in order to stay at least even. However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along, whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric utility bill so that their lights can stay on. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - phobos grunt. russias space program is in disarray. likely cause will be poor quality control with schedule coming first So when is India going to pick up the slack? |
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On Feb 5, 12:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 4, 3:05*pm, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 5:27*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote: On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/ I wonder how long till they kill a crew? If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a good choice....... Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours. Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100% failsafe. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it leads to a systemic problem. anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over the lot........ At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even better. BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface of Venus. Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of worthless media eyecandy and hype. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use success as a indicator. today its just one failure after another........ just look at phobos grunt....... I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support is kind of in the space toilet. *They'll need to take it up a couple notches in order to stay at least even. However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along, whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric utility bill so that their lights can stay on. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - phobos grunt. russias space program is in disarray. likely cause will be poor quality control with schedule coming first So when is India going to pick up the slack?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - no thats irans job |
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