An asteroid ring

Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

Mitch Raemsch

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Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Jupiter's gravity apparently causes too many perturbations to allow a
planet to form.

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

I'm not sure what that means.

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obvious that it was all designed by some creature that hates life... And here
you are, trying to attract its attention.

cusanic... wrote:
Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Which orbital interval? Are you looking at the asteroid belt, or
what? Maybe there once was a planet in that orbit but it got whacked
by another chunk of rock. Wait a few million years and see if it does
get back together.

Try to be coherent.

Doug Chandler

On Dec 7, 8:00*pm, Timberwoof
wrote:
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wrote:
Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Jupiter's gravity apparently causes too many perturbations to allow a
planet to form.

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

I'm not sure what that means.

--
Timberwoof me at timberwoof dot comhttp://www.timberwoof.com
Most of the universe is extremely hostile to life as we know it. It seems
obvious that it was all designed by some creature that hates life... And here
you are, trying to attract its attention.

No. God will sustain any world with intelligent life. He doesn't care
about the rest.

Maybe you do?

Mitch Raemsch

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On Dec 7, 8:00*pm, Timberwoof
wrote:
In article
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wrote:
Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Jupiter's gravity apparently causes too many perturbations to allow a
planet to form.

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

I'm not sure what that means.

--
Timberwoof me at timberwoof dot comhttp://www.timberwoof.com
Most of the universe is extremely hostile to life as we know it. It seems
obvious that it was all designed by some creature that hates life... And
here
you are, trying to attract its attention.

No. God

What's that?

will sustain any world with intelligent life. He doesn't care
about the rest.

How do you know?

Maybe you do?

Mitch Raemsch

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People who can't spell get kicked out of Hogwarts.

On 8 Dec, 06:16, Timberwoof
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On Dec 7, 8:00*pm, Timberwoof
wrote:
In article
,

wrote:
Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Jupiter's gravity apparently causes too many perturbations to allow a
planet to form.

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

I'm not sure what that means.

--
Timberwoof me at timberwoof dot comhttp://www.timberwoof.com
Most of the universe is extremely hostile to life as we know it. It seems
obvious that it was all designed by some creature that hates life... And
here
you are, trying to attract its attention.

No. God

What's that?

will sustain any world with intelligent life. He doesn't care
about the rest.

How do you know?

Maybe you do?

Mitch Raemsch

--
Timberwoof me at timberwoof dot comhttp://www.timberwoof.com
People who can't spell get kicked out of Hogwarts.

A soprano's voice causes a glass to crack. Could the asteroid belt be
the remnants of a planet, hit by a non-dumbed down physics in a silly
cosmic war?

Read 'Dark Mission: the Secret History of NASA' - by Hoagland and
Bara.
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foolsrushin.

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Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

Mitch Raemsch

There could have been two planets there that kept apart from billions of
years, at opposing sides of the Sun, finally catching up one to the other
and annihilating each other...

There could have been a gaseous band there at the formation of the Solar
System, that never had what it takes to become a planetoid...

There could have been a double planet there, whose two reciprocals finally
destroyed one another...

A single planet may have been annihilated by a rogue asteroid.

Take your pick.

Mark Earnest wrote:
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Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

Mitch Raemsch


There could have been two planets there that kept apart from billions of
years, at opposing sides of the Sun, finally catching up one to the other
and annihilating each other...

There could have been a gaseous band there at the formation of the Solar
System, that never had what it takes to become a planetoid...

There could have been a double planet there, whose two reciprocals finally
destroyed one another...

A single planet may have been annihilated by a rogue asteroid.

Take your pick.

Mitch can't be bothered learning physics, so why
speculate about this?

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Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

Mitch Raemsch

It would be very difficult for cool matter to condence and form a solid
substance... in fact it would be virtually impossible.

The matter must be hot enough to be partially liquified so that the
gravitational effects would be well distributed over the material
collection.

Think of mercury. The substance collects to itself because of surface
tension. if you poke it with something it doesn't effect it much and usually
stays together. If that material is now salt then poking it or pushing it
aside seperates it into groups.

So suppose that some collection of small asteroids were grouped together.
Any perbutation could easily destroy it(such as another asteroid being
attracted to it). But if it is liquified then it is much easier for it to
absorb in incoming material.

In fact it is almost a necessariy condition. For the matter to condense and
grow they must attract other matter and it must be a somewhat stable
configuration. If it is hard material, then it is a non-elastic collision
and the energy gets distrubted throughout decreasing the stability. If it is
elastic then they tend to "clump" together forming larger pieces and once it
reaches a critical size it easily accepts harder material.

It might be possible in some rare circumstance for the gravitational forces
to be so great that the material is fused together and resulting in a stable
state but this is highly unlikely. (of course once one gets a "planetoid"
like structure and it's gravitational attraction is strong enough then it
can "hold" cool material)

So, as others have misunderstood, it mainly is depends on temperature. Some
of the other sayings might be true in specific instances but not in general.

We can surmise that the asteroid belts are "left" over material from
collisions or planet forming that cooled down too much and were to far away
from any large structure for significant attraction. Once they reached a
critical state the probability of them forming a planet is virtually
impossible.

Take mercury, if it is too cool then it will not combine with other pieces.
But at room temperature you can combine them. That is the basic idea and
also has to do with atomic physics, chemestry, pool, etc... (it's basically
a manifestation of atomic physics at a very large scale)

"Jon Slaughter" wrote...
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Why didn't it become a planet? Why isn't there a partially formed
planet there at that orbital interval?

Gravitational order designed the solar system.

Mitch Raemsch

It would be very difficult for cool matter to condence and form a solid
substance... in fact it would be virtually impossible.

The matter must be hot enough to be partially liquified so that the
gravitational effects would be well distributed over the material
collection.

Think of mercury. The substance collects to itself because of surface
tension. if you poke it with something it doesn't effect it much and
usually stays together. If that material is now salt then poking it or
pushing it aside seperates it into groups.

So suppose that some collection of small asteroids were grouped together.
Any perbutation could easily destroy it(such as another asteroid being
attracted to it). But if it is liquified then it is much easier for it to
absorb in incoming material.

In fact it is almost a necessariy condition. For the matter to condense
and grow they must attract other matter and it must be a somewhat stable
configuration. If it is hard material, then it is a non-elastic collision
and the energy gets distrubted throughout decreasing the stability. If it
is elastic then they tend to "clump" together forming larger pieces and
once it reaches a critical size it easily accepts harder material.

It might be possible in some rare circumstance for the gravitational
forces to be so great that the material is fused together and resulting in
a stable state but this is highly unlikely. (of course once one gets a
"planetoid" like structure and it's gravitational attraction is strong
enough then it can "hold" cool material)

So, as others have misunderstood, it mainly is depends on temperature.
Some of the other sayings might be true in specific instances but not in
general.

We can surmise that the asteroid belts are "left" over material from
collisions or planet forming that cooled down too much and were to far
away from any large structure for significant attraction. Once they
reached a critical state the probability of them forming a planet is
virtually impossible.

Take mercury, if it is too cool then it will not combine with other
pieces. But at room temperature you can combine them. That is the basic
idea and also has to do with atomic physics, chemestry, pool, etc... (it's
basically a manifestation of atomic physics at a very large scale)

The temperature idea you have is sound and makes
sense, Jon. And it supports the mainstream idea that
Timberwoof already covered, which is the fact that the
gas giant, planet Jupiter, continues to this day to jostle
the asteroids in the belt, occasionally sending one on a
wild ride that has infrequently brought the asteroid a
little too close to Earth for comfort.

If we note the image and details on the Wiki page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt

....we see some interesting facts about how if one of the
asteroids enters an orbit around the Sun that is in
"orbital resonance" with Jupiter, the asteroid is subject
to the pertubations that can send it flying out of the belt
in any one of an infinite number of directions. These
resonance areas are called "Kirkwood gaps", and there
is a graph further down the page that depicts where the
gaps are found today.

That Wiki page also tells us that more than half the mass
of the main belt is contained in the four largest objects:
Ceres, 4 Vesta, 2 Pallas, and 10 Hygiea. All of these
have mean diameters of more than 400 km, while Ceres,
the main belt's only dwarf planet, is about 950 km in
diameter. The remaining bodies range down to the size
of a dust particle. The asteroid belt has lost so much
material since the Solar system formed that there's only
about enough mass left to form an object about 0.1% of
the Earth's mass (1/1,000th).

Most people seem to harbor the idea that the asteroid
belt is densely packed with rocks and dust. However if
we were able to stand on just about any given asteroid,
it would be very unlikely that we could even see another
asteroid nearby. However in spite of this, there are still
asteroid encounters and collisions on infrequent occasion.

What appears to have happened is that sometime during
the cooling and accreting stage, the matter in that area,
perhaps at the time enough to form a planet as large as
Earth, continued to be purturbed by the growing planet
Jupiter. As Jupiter and its tremendous gravitational field
migrated in closer to the Sun, those Kirkwood gaps, those
resonances, would have swept across the asteroid belt,
dynamically exciting the region's population and also
increasing their velocities relative to each other.

That was during perhaps the first 10 million years of the
Solar system's formative period. The planetisimals in the
asteroid belt were never able to form into very large bits
of matter. So they continued circling the Sun as small
asteroids, evolving into what we see today.

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