Sorry: I don't have a clue what happened. Deleting one at time.

George wrote:

"Rick Johnson" wrote in message
...

Your huge post knocked 3 months of other folks real posts off my server.
Anything sent prior to your post was deleted as was nearly all but the
last couple hundred files of your post. The rest exceeded the allocated
disk space the server has for this group. Don't hog the server for
yourself and knocks others off.

My filters must be working correctly, because the only posts I saw from
that person was his apology.

They may have been blocked since the parts were "too big" (500k).
This limit is server dependant. E.g. Easynews let them through.

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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:55:29 -0000, Skywise
wrote:

It would appear Supernews blcoked both the original messages and
the cancels, probably caught by one of their kagillions of
filters. Probably thought it was a flood. (which it really was
if you think about it)

Filters ERGH! One of the reasons I chose Altopia is there is
absolutely positively zero filtering.
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:36:48 -0600, Rick Johnson
wrote:



Peter Hucker wrote:

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:20:22 -0600, Rick Johnson
wrote:



Ralph Hertle wrote:

Asterix wrote:


It appears that along with the drawing (a 646K TIFF file) you posted two
more TIFF files 64MB and 47MB in size (which I haven't looked at so I
don't really know if they *are* TIFFs). There may be more - I just
looked what came though Easynews' decoder.

Sorry - but deleting won't help very much as most news servers don't
honor cancels.



Asterix:

Thanks for your remarks.

I managed to clear out all the bad message files. They were part of
overly large raster files, and either Verizon DSL or Mozilla Thunderbird
wouldn't transmit them and corrupted them. Prior to posting, however,
the files displayed properly in MicroStation V7 CAD and Irfanview.

I managed to stop the writing process for the corrupt files by rebooting
the locked machine. Otherwise, I might still be here deleting.

I wanted the larger file to be posted in order to gain the higher
resolution for text legibility. I'll have to find a new way to make the
.tif files. Possibly PDFs for that purpose.

I know nothing regarding other news servers - sorry if there were problems.

Ralph Hertle


NEVER POST TIF
You will get hate mail forever for that.

Your huge post knocked 3 months of other folks real posts off my server.
Anything sent prior to your post was deleted as was nearly all but the
last couple hundred files of your post. The rest exceeded the allocated
disk space the server has for this group. Don't hog the server for
yourself and knocks others off.


Get yourself a proper server. Mine keeps the last x days of posts,
where x is different for text, binary, and multipart binary. X does
not change just cause there happens to be more posts that day in a
particular group. What an insane way of doing things!


Post JPG and keep the post size under 1 meg. If over say about 500k put
a note in the subject file that it is a large file.


But yes, jpg is just as good as tif.


I live in the woods where high speed is unavailable and even satellite
is slow and expensive (Only twice dialup speed) It takes me 3 minutes
just to download a 1 meg file. A typical TIF is far larger than that
and no way I'd ever even try.


What is the distance from your phone exchange to your house? They can
send it a long long way nowadays. It gets longer every year with new
technology.


JPG has all the resolution you need. News posts are actually sent and
received as 7 bit files with parity. So they are quite a bit larger
than the same file posted on the net.


Not if you use yenc. And most servers do 8 bit now.


Don't make things worse by
posting TIF PLEASE. I'll just build a kill file filter for your posts
as will most others. But the worst part is that your large files may,
indeed this one did, knock someone else off my server before I get a
chance to see it. I can't do a thing about that except add to my
already high internet cost by subscribing to a pay news feed.


Oh you're on a freebie one. That explains it. How can you put up
with such rubbish? Do you have a telescope? I bet it cost billions
of times more than a news subscription. Mine starts at $6 a month.


If you just must a TIF available post it to the net then give us the URL.

If you ever even looked at this news group before posting to find out
what goes on here you'd know if I had a telescope and you'd know not to
post large TIF files.

I put up with it because it is ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ME. Considering
the circumstances it isn't rubbish at all. There is no alternative
that doesn't cost over $100 per month. With only 19 official year
around residents in my 36 square mile township, of which only 8 actually
are here for December through February, getting anything beyond dialup
is amazing considering their capital costs per customer! I know of only
one other that they serve in this township and I know everyone here.

I have a choice of this one service that's not dialup and it is only
twice dialup speed. It's a small locally owned mom and pop operation.
They normally don't carry ANY image alt sites at all but I got them to
carry this one under the rules you find so stupid. It was that or a pay
service. Pay news services are available but I'm already at my budget
limit. This one normally holds 6 months of this group, it went back to
mid June until your post wiped everything out. So the "stupid rules"
work quite well giving a retention period far beyond most ISP news
servers, even the pay ones, for a non text news group -- until someone
hogs the available server space that is.

In that case you could just set your newsreader to skip anything over
a certain size.
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:03:51 -0000, Skywise
wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote in news:0a60n39c1850v2br3h7dcevd6rprr9csl8
:

Get yourself a proper server. Mine keeps the last x days of posts,
Snipola

Each NSP has their own set of retention rules. Being a binaries
group, the most common rule is likely a byte cap. Text groups
usually have a message count cap. What that cap is depends on
their storage space and what they feel is important. Sometimes
they leave things at a (low) default until someone brings to
the admins attention that a particular group is popular and
needs more space.

That's a daft way of doing things. Group A might have loads of posts
one week, and group B has loads next week. Why artificially impose a
fized byte limit on each? Best to have x amount of space for ALL the
binary groups together. If there is a flood in one, nothing is
affected.

What is the distance from your phone exchange to your house? They can
send it a long long way nowadays. It gets longer every year with new
technology.

Just as a point of reference, I tried getting DSL at my house
about two years ago. Didn't work. Too far. I was measured as
being 27K feet from the SO, nearly twice as far as the signal
could go.

I make that just over 5 miles. I'm 3.4 miles from the exchange and I
was just on the length limit a few years ago (and got 0.5Mbit). The
length limit has increased twice since then (I now get 1.5Mbit). You
should be able to get it now.

Oh, and I live in that big mess on the left coast known as the
Los Angeles basin. The nearest "boonies" is 20 miles away from me.
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In article ,
(Asterix) wrote:

George wrote:

"Rick Johnson" wrote in message
...

Your huge post knocked 3 months of other folks real posts off my server.
Anything sent prior to your post was deleted as was nearly all but the
last couple hundred files of your post. The rest exceeded the allocated
disk space the server has for this group. Don't hog the server for
yourself and knocks others off.

My filters must be working correctly, because the only posts I saw from
that person was his apology.

They may have been blocked since the parts were "too big" (500k).
This limit is server dependant. E.g. Easynews let them through.

My ISP's NNTP service is rather erratic when it comes to binaries. Most
of the files under discussion were shown as available, but with enough
parts missing that I wouldn't have been able to download a complete
image. (There are programs that can create "PAR" files that allow
recovery of missing data, as long as the lacunae aren't too large or
numerous; in some groups I read, posters who upload large files usually
include such.)

I haven't noticed large files displacing others he instead, Telus
have just made the retention time for their binaries groups much shorter
than the others they carry.

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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:10:57 GMT, (Asterix)
wrote:

George wrote:

"Rick Johnson" wrote in message
...

Your huge post knocked 3 months of other folks real posts off my server.
Anything sent prior to your post was deleted as was nearly all but the
last couple hundred files of your post. The rest exceeded the allocated
disk space the server has for this group. Don't hog the server for
yourself and knocks others off.

My filters must be working correctly, because the only posts I saw from
that person was his apology.

They may have been blocked since the parts were "too big" (500k).
This limit is server dependant. E.g. Easynews let them through.

550k!! The limit on my server is 10MB!
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:28:03 +0000, Peter Hucker
wrote:

In that case you could just set your newsreader to skip anything over
a certain size.

That doesn't help the problem of posts getting pushed of the news
server queue by the spam. On Usenet the watchword is courtesy. Posting
nearly 1200 parts, twice, is not courteous in this group where most
posts are single part or two part at most. The TIF problem has already
been discussed. A 1024 x 768 JPG would have worked just as well or a
link to a web server even better. Even NASA doesn't put full size
tiffs up front on their servers, they post the low-res stuff with
links to the tiffs for those with the interest and bandwidth.

Some smaller ISP's don't run their news servers with big retention or
they provide more retention in some groups at the expense of others.
Some news servers can even cap by article count rather than disk
space. This group is not a high-volume group but it is high quality
with a very tight-knit group of expert astrophotographers who choose
to spend their money on their interest rather than a premium news
servers that they don't necessarily need.

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:32:41 +0000, Peter Hucker
wrote:

550k!! The limit on my server is 10MB!

We're all very happy for you. Hertle's tiff is 49MB on my system. In
encoded form it was probably well in excess of 52MB on the news
servers. He posted it twice. In both cases the Verizon servers showed
erroneous, huge line counts on each part. Many news servers across the
globe may have freaked on receipt of the headers. It was an all around
bad post.

In article ,
Peter Hucker wrote:

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:36:48 -0600, Rick Johnson
wrote:

snip

I have a choice of this one service that's not dialup and it is only
twice dialup speed. It's a small locally owned mom and pop operation.
They normally don't carry ANY image alt sites at all but I got them to
carry this one under the rules you find so stupid. It was that or a pay
service. Pay news services are available but I'm already at my budget
limit. This one normally holds 6 months of this group, it went back to
mid June until your post wiped everything out. So the "stupid rules"
work quite well giving a retention period far beyond most ISP news
servers, even the pay ones, for a non text news group -- until someone
hogs the available server space that is.

In that case you could just set your newsreader to skip anything over
a certain size.

That can avoid wasting download time, but it won't restore deleted
messages to the NNTP server.

There are free news servers. I use Teranews once in a while; its
retention time for non-paying users isn't usually any better than my
ISP's, but OTOH it isn't nearly as likely to lose segments of multi-part
files. So I sometimes go there to download files that didn't arrive
intact on my ISP's server.

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Geoff:

Geoff wrote:

[text omitted]
That doesn't help the problem of posts getting pushed of the news
server queue by the spam. On Usenet the watchword is courtesy. Posting
nearly 1200 parts, twice, is not courteous in this group where most
posts are single part or two part at most.


Courtesy? You are now slamming me when it is not true that I was
intentionally discourteous.

I find that no files were pushed off the server. Actually three
different servers. You can't say that without knowing the actual facts
of the server program's operation, and the usage and capacity of the
HDDs involved. The report of that happening may have been a problem of
someone's local computer. That didn't happen on my computer, which is
now functioning normally with a constant zero idle speed.

The large .tif file is one thing. I believed that what had happened in
the past would be true now. Verizon would disallow the transmission of
email files that were in the order of more than 8.3Mb in size. I
thought that the same would be true here. Verizon DSl would, on the
other hand, permit the downloading of files from NASA or HST that were
much larger than the files I uploaded. I thought that I was OK with
that. I made my files even larger in order to increase the resolution to
make the text more legible than the first images I made. On that basis I
simply ignored the size of the files. Verizon did not disallow the
too-large files.

There may be another factor involved. I had downloaded the usually
perfectly functional DAP program. When it arrived I saw two other items
in the archive, and I may have attempted to open them to see what the were.

They were named: VA220_DAPDD.exe and wrar371.exe .

The program, VA220_DAPDD.exe , when opened didn't have the full name on
it: "Download Video Accelerator", it just had, "Video Accelerator". That
didn't ring right. If I installed that, it was a mistake. I'll have to
get rid if it.

The wrar371.exe program is a utility for down/up-loading raster files
and manipulating the files. Extra-sized files are broken into pieces by
that demo program. I though that it was part of DAP and I hit 'Open"
instead of "Extract" to download it. That download occurred immediately
prior to the flood of raster junk that was uploaded to A.B.P.A . I found
it on my system, however, it is now quarantined. It will be removed.

For individuals who downloaded the bad files that I posted they can be
deleted. If you have MS Outlook Express you can select all the bad files
and delete them at one time. If you have Mozilla FireFox each file may
have to be deleted separately.

Are the bad files remaining on one of the three A.B.P.A servers? Even
after I, the owner of the files had deleted them? I don't know. I think
that they were properly deleted.

DAP is a good program, but somehow, I suspect, the other malicious
program was operative and enabled the RAR raster divisions and uploads
of the bad raster files.

Geoff: You are overly concerned by what was an inadvertent action. It
wasn't a lack of courtesy.

The files that I uploaded were not spam. They were sent in pieces by an
outside malicious program when they would have otherwise been rejected
by Verizon DSL.

What's your idle speed?

Ralph Hertle