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Jeff Findley wrote:
wrote in message ... I wonder how much that bit of carelessness cost us taxpayers... I don't mind my tax $$ being spent for something that's needed and I can understand an accident or emergency, but I do mind it being thrown away by someone who's lazy or just stupidly careless. And you know all of those tools were custom-made at a $Million each... You're exaggerating. The loss of a few tools is unfortunate, but people do make mistakes. Someone forgot to fasten the toolkit inside the tool bag, which was a mess because of a leaky grease gun. The characterization of "lazy or just stupidly careless" is downright offensive. There hasn't been an instance of a grease gun "exploding" (more accurately, spewing grease all over the inside of a tool bag) before. Heide dealt with it as professionally as possible. These things happen. I highly doubt cfleon could have handled it any better. |
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M wrote:
On Nov 19, 7:54 am, Pat Flannery wrote: http://www.newsday.com/services/news...wednesday/nati... Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper (by God, now _that's_ a name, isn't it? I can't even pronounce the middle part) Easy. Rhymes with "definition". is probably going to catch hell for not having the toolkit properly tethered to her...but if I was EVAing and something inside my toolkit exploded, my first instinct would be to toss that SOB as far away as possible as fast as possible. And if it was tethered to me, I'd immediately release the tether on it. Next question... is the toolkit going to get into some sort of odd orbit that brings it back near the ISS from time to time? They may want to fly it into the shuttle cargo bay (or grab it with the Remote Manipulator Arm) and retrieve it before reentry. Pat Well, that bag containing important tools for the Solar Alpha Rotary Joint is....Space History. She will catch some flak from management (privately) for a serious breach of EVA protocol. Since this is her second flight (When she returned from her first flight she passed out in public twice) it will most likely be her last. I doubt it. But most likely no one will be able to tell. It is too close to the end of the shuttle program for her to get another shuttle assignment. After that it depends on whether she wants to hang around for Orion. If she doesn't, people will no doubt claim this EVA as a factor. I don't think it will be. Everybody screws up, including astronauts. Some screwups are, by their nature, more public than others. What is more revealing is whether someone has the professionalism to recover from a screwup, put it behind them, and finish the job, and I can tell you a lot of people who count were impressed by Heide's recovery. |
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They kep getting opened after use as well. There is a temperature gradient
issue in 'real' space which may well have made the effect worse of course. Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "OM" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:30:45 -0500, "Jeff Findley" wrote: You're exaggerating. The loss of a few tools is unfortunate, but people do make mistakes. Someone forgot to fasten the toolkit inside the tool bag, which was a mess because of a leaky grease gun. ...Responding to trolls aside, the leaking gun apparently caught everyone by surprise. According to some sources, they'd never seen that gun leak in a vacuum like that on the ground, which either the gun malfunctioned, or there was some outgassing issue that simply hadn't been seen with that particular setup before. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote in message ... You're exaggerating. The loss of a few tools is unfortunate, but people do make mistakes. Someone forgot to fasten the toolkit inside the tool bag, which was a mess because of a leaky grease gun. The characterization of "lazy or just stupidly careless" is downright offensive. There hasn't been an instance of a grease gun "exploding" (more accurately, spewing grease all over the inside of a tool bag) before. Heide dealt with it as professionally as possible. These things happen. I highly doubt cfleon could have handled it any better. As always, Jorge does a better job of making exactly the point I was trying to make. When things go wrong, and you've got to improvise on the spot, sometimes mistakes are made. Going off on a tangent... Henry Spencer always likes to point out that in the future, EVA's will necessarily need to become more self sufficient. On Mars missions, NASA's Mission Control won't be there to micromanage (Henry's word) the EVA's because round trip times for radio waves to/from Mars can be on the order of 1/2 an hour. Jeff -- beb - To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, reality has an anti-Ares I bias. |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
wrote: I wonder how much that bit of carelessness cost us taxpayers... I don't mind my tax $$ being spent for something that's needed and I can understand an accident or emergency, but I do mind it being thrown away by someone who's lazy or just stupidly careless. And you know all of those tools were custom-made at a $Million each... NASA says the value of the toolkit is around $100,000: NASA underestimates the "value" of the bag by an order of magnitude. http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.or...s-fd-5&catid=1 30 lbs x 20,000 $/lb = $3,000,000 plus the $100,000 Watching the video, I would think a Space Station Astronaut might not have thrown the bag away, "set it to the side" with a departing velocity. They probably are much better a zeroing rates of things they letting go of. Shuttle Astronauts are still learning. On one of the rendezvous burn videos, the pilot was having a hard time getting what looked to be a kitchen timer to float with zero rates. Too bad the didn't show the result of the burn, timer flying towards the tail. |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
NASA says the value of the toolkit is around $100,000 [..] Pat Presumably, that's *excluding* the delivery charge... -- Kevin Willoughby lid It doesn't take many trips in Air Force One to spoil you. -- Ronald Reagan |
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Jeff Findley wrote: Henry Spencer always likes to point out that in the future, EVA's will necessarily need to become more self sufficient. On Mars missions, NASA's Mission Control won't be there to micromanage (Henry's word) the EVA's because round trip times for radio waves to/from Mars can be on the order of 1/2 an hour. And in half an hour, the Martians can drag you down through the sand and put that control implant in the back of your neck, like almost happened to little David Maclean in that sandpit near his house. ;-) Pat |
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kevin willoughby wrote: Pat Flannery wrote: NASA says the value of the toolkit is around $100,000 [..] Pat Presumably, that's *excluding* the delivery charge... That only works if there would have been something different about the Shuttle flight if it hadn't been taken along, and its weight had been used for something else taken to the ISS. Pat |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:56:20 -0500, kevin willoughby
wrote: Pat Flannery wrote: NASA says the value of the toolkit is around $100,000 [..] Pat Presumably, that's *excluding* the delivery charge... But what is the recovery cost? What is the potential "unrecovery" cost? E.g. What if it came back in a few orbits and threatened to ding up the solar pannel that you just spent much EVA time servicing? Alan |
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