Celestron vs Celestron Pacific

Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.


That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

If all collectors maintain this standard, then we can expect the values
of these instruments to skyrocket in the next few years.

Mean Mr Mustard wrote:
Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.


That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

If all collectors maintain this standard, then we can expect the values
of these instruments to skyrocket in the next few years.


I think you've got it backwards.
Personally I like "Chinestron"
Syntestron?
Sinolestron?

Shawn

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:05:20 -0600, Shawn
sdotcurry@bresnananotherdotnet wrote:

Mean Mr Mustard wrote:
Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.


That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

If all collectors maintain this standard, then we can expect the values
of these instruments to skyrocket in the next few years.


I think you've got it backwards.
Personally I like "Chinestron"
Syntestron?
Sinolestron?

Shawn

Are we going to see them rolling over cheaper, "fake" Celestrons with
steam rollers now, like they do with Chinese watches, CDs and DVDs?
-Rich

On 14 Apr 2005 19:41:44 -0700, "Mean Mr Mustard"
wrote:

Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.

That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

Probably a good idea. Many of those old orange tubes were real dogs.
Wouldn't want to get them confused with newer models with higher quality
optics.

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

Mean Mr Mustard wrote:

Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.

That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

If all collectors maintain this standard, then we can expect the values
of these instruments to skyrocket in the next few years.

What if said "noobie" says that he just purchased a Celestron NexStar
produced in the same Torrance facility, by the same folks as the scopes
produced before the sale? How does that make him a lesser citizen?

How about we just all play nice together,
Cougar

"Mean Mr Mustard" wrote in message
ups.com...
Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.


That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

If all collectors maintain this standard, then we can expect the values
of these instruments to skyrocket in the next few years.

To tell you the truth, I've been wondering what would happen to the quality
myself. At one point, I owned three Synta products: the GC-5 mount, a pair
of 25x100 binoculars, and the Orion Atlas mount. The binoculars were sold
in a short period of time because of poor optical quality and a plastic
smell that just wouldn't go away; the Orion Atlas was horrible and had
arcsec vibrations no matter what I would do. The only thing I kept was the
GC-5 and even that's not a great mount, but passable. So, I definitely have
not had a good experience with the Synta made stuff myself. My current
C9.25 was acquired before the Synta takeover and I'm sure glad it was. The
only thing that worries me now is what to do when the corrector or mirrors
need recoating someday. Hopefully, that's years away and Synta might have
improved by then; otherwise will have to find someone else.

I really think my next scope is going to be one with custom ground mirrors
by one of the well known grinders like Swayze, Royce and others. Either
that, or purchase one of the cheap Syntas and have them regrind it.
Probably the former is cheaper though. The key point here though is that it
will avoid problems like when mirrors need recoated, and I won't have to
worry about questionable quality.

I really hate to see how integrated the US has become with China. What
happens when the day comes that the Chinese want Tiawan? Looks like we'll
have to give in.

Ed

If Celestron moves their manufacturing operation to China, we should not
purchase any Celestron Scopes!!! The folks in Torrance California have been
manufacturing Celestron scopes for many years and they deserve to keep their
jobs. They are gool ol boys just like you an me and they should keep their
jobs. We need to send a strong messsage to Synta management that if they
move Celestron manufacturing to China and eliminate American jobs, we will
not purchase their scopes. The amateur astronomy community is small enough
to make this happen. We do not need cheap Chinese junk the mechanics of
which make me wanna puke!

Someone made a comment earlier in this thread that we need the Chinese junk
because not everyone can afford a Discovery Dob. My opinion is that if you
can't afford an entry level Discovery DOB, you should save you pennies until
you can!!! Don't give in and buy Chinese crap scopes!

We colud start a petition here on this newsgroup and also on Astromart and
send a strong message to Synta Management. We need to support the folks in
the Celestron Torrance manufacturing plant so that they can keep their jobs.
These people have given us quality product for years and deserve our
undivided support. American jobs are at stake. Let's band together and
support these folks.

Bubba


"Cougar" wrote in message
...
Mean Mr Mustard wrote:

Now that Celestron is no more, we collectors need to differentiate
ourselves from the owners of the rebranded Synta garbage. Therefore
all vintage Celestrons should now be referred to as Celestron Pacifics.

That means if you are at a Star Party and some noobie sees your vintage
orange tube C5 and says "Hey nice Celestron!" You should reply
"Actually it's a Celestron Pacific" ... This goes for on-line posting
and advertising as well.

If all collectors maintain this standard, then we can expect the values
of these instruments to skyrocket in the next few years.

What if said "noobie" says that he just purchased a Celestron NexStar
produced in the same Torrance facility, by the same folks as the scopes
produced before the sale? How does that make him a lesser citizen?

How about we just all play nice together,
Cougar

It's pronounced "YOU'RE-AN-ASS".

AstroHoney
yeah, i'm in the right thread.

Regardless of who owns the factory the purchase of New Celestron
telescopes will keep the jobs going in Torrance much better than any
boycott will.

A boycott will simply guarantee the closure of the factory because
Synta will see no reason to continue supporting expensive American jobs
when it can use cheap labour back at home in China. This sounds like a
purchase of expertise/fabrication skills to strengthen Synta's present
optical skills. Such specialist-skills purchases are not at all unusual
in business.

My guess is that they will streamline production and go in for lean
manufacturing with the low-tech parts made back in China where it is
most economical to do so. They may want to test whether local
production/final fabrication is advantageous. They are not unaware that
the amateur astronomy population is limited in absolute numbers.

One would expect there to be some resistance from some workers at first
and the inevitable drop-outs are to be expected and probably ignored.

But I believe the inflow of much needed cash, allied with the
specialist skills of the key workers in the Celestron workforce, may
actually surprise the most cynical of you in the longer term.

Remember that Synta can already make the cheap and cheerful stuff by
the million. So they aren't buying Celestron just to shut down a
competitor.

Chris.B

wrote in message
oups.com...
It's pronounced "YOU'RE-AN-ASS".

Now, why refer to the person that way? This very kind of thinking is doing
a way with a good many jobs in this country. Industry merges or is acquired
and suddenly you have a new influx added to the workforce willing to work
for much cheaper rates than the original worker. As a consequence, that
person loses his/ her job and may have been just on the verge of retirement.

You can say "it's just business", but that excuse quickly falls by the
wayside when you consider downsizing, lack of job security, and sudden
unemployment. Now, I'm not so sure we need to boycott Celestron as I
wouldn't go that far *yet*, but one at the very least needs to keep a
critical eye on what happens within the company over the next year or so.
If they end up going offshore or firing 20 year American employees, then a
boycott would be in order.

Ed


AstroHoney
yeah, i'm in the right thread.