where exactly is local?

On Feb 7, 12:44*pm, concatenate wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:
if from here to the edge of universe is non-local,

then i cant see why from here to my nearest bus station should be
local

and also, where is non-local in quantum physics,

what is going on, are they religious terms?

Yes. According to Einsteiniana, "local" means "free-falling in a
gravitational field". As you can see, the term is more than irrelevant
but still it perfectly camouflages the fact that the speed of light is
VARIABLE in a gravitational field - the most dangerous fact for
Einsteiniana. If you somehow refer to this variability, then Tom
Roberts helped by a zombie - often Dirk Moortel - immediately
introduces a red herring, something like this: "Yes the speed of light
is not constant GLOBALLY but it is constant LOCALLY and you don't
understand the difference between GLOBALLY an LOCALLY do you." And
since normal people see no semantic relation between "locally" and
"free-falling in a gravitational field", they remain frustrated and
Tom Roberts and zombie Dirk Moortel win.

Pentcho Valev

On 7 Feb, 11:08, Pentcho Valev wrote:

Endlessly repeated variations on the same old theme deleted

Are you planning to spend the rest of your life saying the same thing
to people who are not listening!

"ukastronomy" wrote in message
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On 7 Feb, 11:08, Pentcho Valev wrote:

Endlessly repeated variations on the same old theme deleted

Are you planning to spend the rest of your life saying the same thing
to people who are not listening!


Why not, Copernicus did just that?

Endlessly repeated responses by the same old bigot Nicholson ignored.

I did my yearly clean-out of my kill-file... You get to be second back,
Nicholson.
*plonk*

On Feb 7, 12:08 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:44 pm, concatenate wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:

if from here to the edge of universe is non-local,

then i cant see why from here to my nearest bus station should be
local

and also, where is non-local in quantum physics,

what is going on, are they religious terms?

Yes. According to Einsteiniana, "local" means "free-falling in a
gravitational field". As you can see, the term is more than irrelevant
but still it perfectly camouflages the fact that the speed of light is
VARIABLE in a gravitational field - the most dangerous fact for
Einsteiniana. If you somehow refer to this variability, then Tom
Roberts helped by a zombie - often Dirk Moortel - immediately
introduces a red herring, something like this: "Yes the speed of light
is not constant GLOBALLY but it is constant LOCALLY and you don't
understand the difference between GLOBALLY an LOCALLY do you." And
since normal people see no semantic relation between "locally" and
"free-falling in a gravitational field", they remain frustrated and
Tom Roberts and zombie Dirk Moortel win.

Pentcho Valev


right, but how do you think it works, i dont understand

"bonatello" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 12:08 pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:44 pm, concatenate wrote in
sci.physics.relativity:

if from here to the edge of universe is non-local,

then i cant see why from here to my nearest bus station should be
local

and also, where is non-local in quantum physics,

what is going on, are they religious terms?

Yes. According to Einsteiniana, "local" means "free-falling in a
gravitational field". As you can see, the term is more than irrelevant
but still it perfectly camouflages the fact that the speed of light is
VARIABLE in a gravitational field - the most dangerous fact for
Einsteiniana. If you somehow refer to this variability, then Tom
Roberts helped by a zombie - often Dirk Moortel - immediately
introduces a red herring, something like this: "Yes the speed of light
is not constant GLOBALLY but it is constant LOCALLY and you don't
understand the difference between GLOBALLY an LOCALLY do you." And
since normal people see no semantic relation between "locally" and
"free-falling in a gravitational field", they remain frustrated and
Tom Roberts and zombie Dirk Moortel win.

Pentcho Valev


right, but how do you think it works, i dont understand

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I can try to describe what should be the common sense difference.

The Moon is about 1.3 light seconds (per speed of light 'c') from Earth as
observed by an observer locally here on Earth. That is a Moon that is 1.3
seconds backward in time regarding the Earth observer and a clock on Earth.
The Moon that is relative to the observer on Earth. Except that the
gravitational body of the Moon, the body that the Earth itself senses to
exist in space and time, isn't there in that exact space where it is locally
observed to be nor is it in that time -- where it is locally observed to
be -- at all. In both space and time it has advanced in the Universe beyond
the observed location during the 1.3 second difference in time. The Earth is
gravitationally aware of the advance, being gravitationally aware of the
exact gravitational location of the gravitational body of Moon, but the
observer on Earth will not be aware unless he or she has perception and
common sense enough to advance the physical reality of the Moon 1.3 seconds
over its locally observed location in space and time.

That isn't much of a difference between the local and the non-local, the
more relative and the less relative, but differences grow, expand, with all
increasing distance (including distance or difference in speed, distance or
difference to the Planck horizon or universe, etc.) from any local observer.

The distance or difference may become infinite. No observer is ever going
to observe that infinity, that non-local infinity, but every local observer
will locally observe, maybe even feel, the [locally] collapsed horizon of
[non-local] infinity; or the locally collapsed horizons of such non-local
infinities. No observer is ever going to observe the constant of infinity.
Every observer will observe -- even work with -- some locally representative
horizon, some local existance or being, of it.

GLB

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