.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?

On Jun 25, 2:41 pm, John wrote:
Williamknowsbest wrote:
[... snip ...]

If you are William Mook, the engineer and inventor, then I am all eyes
and ears. What you are attempting has enough challenges that, in my
opinion, it is a waste of time to bother with the pests of Usenet.
Speak to the journals, continue patents.

Watching with interest and fascination,

J

You will not be surprised, because lord Mook has had more than a
decade to R&D and even accomplish much of whatever he spouts off
about. Unfortunately, he is a certified rusemaster of the Zionist/
Nazi kind, the exact same as what gave Hitler so much extra physics
and science to work with, subsequently giving all the rest of us a
serious and spendy pain in the butt, if not having taken more than
many of us and even those of his own kind had to give.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

"Williamknowsbest" wrote in message
...
You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.


The future by William was remarkable! And the standard response
just as sound. Which is typically along the lines, in some manner or
another...."How ya' gonna get enough energy to do...that"?

Please never forget what fuels such dreams of future possibilities.

The same thing that inspired all those Trekkian dreams of
properity and justice......an unlimited and cheap supply of
clean energy.....those magical di-lithium crystals.
And voila almost anything is possible.

Without it, dreams go up in smoke.

Instead of detailing an ideal future, as William did so well, by
starting from the present and steadily expanding into the future.
I would do the opposite, because predicting the future of a
real world system is the hardest thing to do of all.

I would begin by clearly defining the...abstract...properties an
ideal future should display. Just as an ideal society would be
an unstable equilibrium between the ....law...and...freedom.
Which in abstract are the forces for ....order....and.....chaos.

An ideal future should have the very same relationship but within
the ultimate paradigm involving the human condition.

A future where our ...resources and ...imagination are in balance.
But not only in equilibrium with each other, but also at simultaneous
maximums. The other necessary condition for self organization.

Resouces and Imagination

A future where the human race is limited only by it's
abilities, it's collective wisdom and imagination, not by
resources.

Imagination and intellect thrives best under a free society, so it's
world-wide democracy, and unlimited, clean and cheap energy
that needs to become a reality.

For the long term future, does anyone doubt that solar power
in some form will replace 'burning the earth' as a source of
that ideal energy?

Why not make the inevitable a reality as soon as possible?

Democracy and Space Solar Power.

Freedom for our body, mind and soul.

I wouldn't dare go into much more detail. The butterfly
effect and all means just a whiff of inaccuracy and
the future extrapolations go up in smoke.

Jonathan


"I Bet with every Wind that blew, till Nature in chagrin
Employed a Fact to visit me and scuttle my Balloon!"



s

On Jun 25, 6:27*pm, "
wrote:
On Jun 25, 11:52*am, Williamknowsbest wrote:

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

* *People with ALL heavier-than-air technology, including cars have
greatly overestimated
* *their abiliity with future technology.
* *Which is mostly why the brighter people turned their wasted garages
* *in computer and laser factories.
* *And turned their houses into PV Cell Solariums.
* *And turned their idiot malls into Hologram outlets,
* *And turned their bridge companies into titaniium companies.
* *And tunred their idiot electric companies into microwave companies..
* *And turned their idiot schools into philosophy satellites.
* *And turned their idiot army into cell phone repairmen.
* *And turned their idiot coal companies into robot dodgers.
.

Just like old cars in junkyards, highway infrastructures should be-
come outdated as skycars become popular. However, it would seem
that the current highway infrastructure completely opposes gutting
the system of pork-barreled costs to mass transit, as well as gut-
ting the ensuing environmentalist purge on whatever free market
system of capitalism that might get in the way.

Paul Moller - not Barack Obama, or John McCain, needs to be
elected President. This will have the effect like the multinational
companies had with Bush - unless the political infighting between
the Moller protective associates conflicted with the Blackwater
associates, then all hell would break loose. The price of gasoline
would not be controlled enough with Moller's innovation into the
transportational infrastructure, because just about every borough,
town, and city, foreign and national, would have to eventually for-
feit a large portion of their tax infrastructure to non-pork
projects (an impossibility with entitlement bureaucracies like
ours).

Therefore, due to "unforseen circumstances", the price of gasoline
would immediately rise to over $10.00/gallon, prompting most people
to stay at home instead of driving to work. The price of gasoline
would not have to go up right away, but because of the threat that
President Moller faced from the transnationalists, instead of
advancing the civilization, continued to retard development against
clean and cheap energy, so that only the rich are hovering to work
in the M-200X, while the poor of us are left to fend for ourselves.

No, the Day of the Golden Calf is already upon us.


American

Williamknowsbest wrote:
All of these problems are workable - as was demonstrated by the Jet
Gyrodyne

http://www.gyropilot.co.uk/downloads...0RTF%20Mod.pdf

Here an engine, designed to operate efficiently at subsonic speeds
produces a jet of super charged air that is directed through a rotor
to tip jets -here the noise is abated, due to the rotor itself acting
like a tuned muffler, and night visibility is not a problem - due to
the temperatures of the exhaust at that point.


Both the Gyrodyne and follow-on Rotodyne suffered from high tip jet
noise problems; in fact, it was the noise that the Rotodyne's supersonic
exhaust tip jets generated that led to its cancellation - it was
intended to takeoff and land from pads in the interior of cities, but
the noise level was so high that the airlines that looked at it found it
unacceptable because of this...and it's still a problem with rotor-tip
jet propulsion: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15533

Pat

On Jun 26, 8:46*am, American wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:27*pm, "
wrote:





On Jun 25, 11:52*am, Williamknowsbest wrote:

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

* *People with ALL heavier-than-air technology, including cars have
greatly overestimated
* *their abiliity with future technology.
* *Which is mostly why the brighter people turned their wasted garages
* *in computer and laser factories.
* *And turned their houses into PV Cell Solariums.
* *And turned their idiot malls into Hologram outlets,
* *And turned their bridge companies into titaniium companies.
* *And tunred their idiot electric companies into microwave companies.
* *And turned their idiot schools into philosophy satellites.
* *And turned their idiot army into cell phone repairmen.
* *And turned their idiot coal companies into robot dodgers.
.

Just like old cars in junkyards, highway infrastructures should be-
come outdated as skycars become popular. However, it would seem
that the current highway infrastructure completely opposes gutting
the system of pork-barreled costs to mass transit, as well as gut-
ting the ensuing environmentalist purge on whatever free market
system of capitalism that might get in the way.

Paul Moller - not Barack Obama, or John McCain, needs to be
elected President. This will have the effect like the multinational
companies had with Bush - unless the political infighting between
the Moller protective associates conflicted with the Blackwater
associates, then all hell would break loose. The price of gasoline
would not be controlled enough with Moller's innovation into the
transportational infrastructure, because just about every borough,
town, and city, foreign and national, would have to eventually for-
feit a large portion of their tax infrastructure to non-pork
projects (an impossibility with entitlement bureaucracies like
ours).

Therefore, due to "unforseen circumstances", the price of gasoline
would immediately rise to over $10.00/gallon, prompting most people
to stay at home instead of driving to work.

Many people are finding that an exellent oppurtunity regardless of
fuel prices.
Since the governemnt jerks not only have gasoline prices rigged,
they have insurance premiums, and home heating prices rigged also.
Which is why internet, PV Cells, digital theatre, GPS, Cruise
Missiles,
Adaptive A.I. blue lasers, non-idiot robotics, and Stem Cells
catch on so
quickly with morons.




The price of gasoline
would not have to go up right away, but because of the threat that
President Moller faced from the transnationalists, instead of
advancing the civilization, continued to retard development against
clean and cheap energy, so that only the rich are hovering to work
in the M-200X, while the poor of us are left to fend for ourselves.

No, the Day of the Golden Calf is already upon us.

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Williamknowsbest wrote:
Ducted fans can be quieter and more efficient than free rotors of the
same diameter operating at the same rotor speeds

http://www.esotec.co.nz/hb/HTML/DuctMyths.html

Saying that winged vehicles are necessarily less efficient than
wheeled vehicles and so they cannot ever compete is like saying that
rubber tires on asphalt is necessarily less efficient than steel
wheels on steel rails so automobiles will never compete.


I didn't say "winged vehicles", I said VTOL vehicles like helicopters.
You can make a very fuel-efficient miniature aircraft, like the Rutan
VariEze - which got right around 26 mpg while flying at 180 mph.
Unfortunately, now you need runways at both the takeoff and landing end
of any flight, which limits flying it out of your garage.
The accident rate wasn't anything to get excited about either - with
around 800 built, there were 130 accidents, of which 46 were fatal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VariEze

Moller has been ineffective because he hasn't had the $3 billion
needed to make such a system work and likely doesn't think about his
market and so forth - merely the technical issues facing him at any
time.

And that time has been over 40 years now.
He's also been sued over his claims for his Skycar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moller_Skycar_M400

Pat

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...


And that time has been over 40 years now.
He's also been sued over his claims for his Skycar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moller_Skycar_M400


I remember a kid back in grammar school. His dad had signed up for delivery
of one of the first Moller Skycars.

He's still waiting.


Pat




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On Jun 26, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Jun 26, 8:46*am, American wrote:





On Jun 25, 6:27*pm, "
wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:52*am, Williamknowsbest wrote:

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

* *People with ALL heavier-than-air technology, including cars have
greatly overestimated
* *their abiliity with future technology.
* *Which is mostly why the brighter people turned their wasted garages
* *in computer and laser factories.
* *And turned their houses into PV Cell Solariums.
* *And turned their idiot malls into Hologram outlets,
* *And turned their bridge companies into titaniium companies.
* *And tunred their idiot electric companies into microwave companies.
* *And turned their idiot schools into philosophy satellites.
* *And turned their idiot army into cell phone repairmen.
* *And turned their idiot coal companies into robot dodgers.
.

Just like old cars in junkyards, highway infrastructures should be-
come outdated as skycars become popular. However, it would seem
that the current highway infrastructure completely opposes gutting
the system of pork-barreled costs to mass transit, as well as gut-
ting the ensuing environmentalist purge on whatever free market
system of capitalism that might get in the way.

Paul Moller - not Barack Obama, or John McCain, needs to be
elected President. This will have the effect like the multinational
companies had with Bush - unless the political infighting between
the Moller protective associates conflicted with the Blackwater
associates, then all hell would break loose. The price of gasoline
would not be controlled enough with Moller's innovation into the
transportational infrastructure, because just about every borough,
town, and city, foreign and national, would have to eventually for-
feit a large portion of their tax infrastructure to non-pork
projects (an impossibility with entitlement bureaucracies like
ours).

Therefore, due to "unforseen circumstances", the price of gasoline
would immediately rise to over $10.00/gallon, prompting most people
to stay at home instead of driving to work.

* *Many people are finding that an exellent oppurtunity regardless of
fuel prices.
* *Since the governemnt jerks not only have gasoline prices rigged,
* *they have insurance premiums, and home heating prices rigged also.
* *Which is why internet, PV Cells, digital theatre, GPS, Cruise
Missiles,
* *Adaptive A.I. *blue lasers, non-idiot robotics, and Stem Cells
catch on so
* *quickly with morons.

*The price of gasoline



would not have to go up right away, but because of the threat that
President Moller faced from the transnationalists, instead of
advancing the civilization, continued to retard development against
clean and cheap energy, so that only the rich are hovering to work
in the M-200X, while the poor of us are left to fend for ourselves.

No, the Day of the Golden Calf is already upon us.

American- Hide quoted text -

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I must apologise about the en.wikipedia.org'd version of the Skycar
market. Servers like 'en.wikipedia.org' only offer the populist inter-
pretation - the bureaucratic, SEC one. Hear the truth from the inven-
tor's own mouth, and you'll see today what he's still up against:

In response to the abovementioned SEC complaint, Dr. Moller
explains the case to The Wall Street Transcript:

TWST: Looking back over the years as you’ve worked on these
things, has there been any controversy? I read that the SEC
issued a complaint.

Dr. Moller: That’s correct.

TWST: Could you explain that?

Dr. Moller: Yes. Any non-public company (which we were early on)
that raises money from what we would call angel investors or
any investors has to raise it under certain SEC regulations that
require you to determine that you are dealing with sophisticated
investors. The problem is that sometimes people who become
investors in your company will exaggerate their own net worth or
sophistication, and it’s really up to us to determine whether
that’s valid or not. We did have some investors come on board that
the SEC argued were not sophisticated. Normally this kind of issue
is resolved by providing a rescission agreement so that the in-
vestor can get his money back plus 12% interest. We have used this
before successfully when any issue came up. The individual we were
dealing with within the SEC resisted this approach. We believe he
did so knowing that the investors in question did not want their
money back and this would have voided his case. Any small com-
pany that has faced off against the SEC will tell you that you do
not
fight this powerful government agency. You accept a fine to settle.
You don’t accept guilt. You’re not claimed to be guilty, but a fine
is a way of getting rid of something that you could never win if
you really try to defend yourself. If anybody has experienced a
fight with the IRS or the SEC, they learn quickly enough that, as
a small company, you don’t have the government resources to
legally fight it. The few who try always lose.

In the SEC's repost above, they state that "The company was sup-
posedly engaged in the development of a revolutionary personal
aircraft, dubbed "the Skycar," that would allow a person to travel
at speeds over 400 miles-per-hour above roadways for about the
same price as a luxury automobile..." The Skycar exists and has
flown on many occasions.

The SEC is not the FAA, so they're only looking at the sale of
stocks by Moller, not the validity of the Skycar.

The earlier versions of the Skycar, the M200x, flew successfully
for over 200+ flights, both in VTOL mode and in level flight.
Only a few other aircraft have accomplished that: the Harrier AV-8,
the Osprey, the BA609, and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).
That puts Moller in some very heady company.

As I had made the statement earlier, Moller is still holding out to
those who wish to reproduce the invention material, as per a power-
ful arm of the government - the SEC - so as to engage in a war of
LICENSE in order to update whatever the FAA might or might not
have to mandate, in terms of its having to "flight certify" along
with
the military and heavy commercial types of aircraft, which is
total bunk...

These vehicles, IMO require no FAA certification. (Neither do rear-
propeller semi-powered delta-wing gliders, for that matter, in most
states). Mid air collisions are much less probable when there are
several altitude levels for traffic to move through. We need neither
licenses or certifications for these machines...

The whole thing is a scam by the Fed to suck more money away
from the people that know of a better, less mass-controlled way of
transportation, but Moller is being made to look like a swindler,
when he's just a smart inventor with a better idea...


American

'Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom
you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. They have been
quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made them-
selves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down
to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods,
O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'

Exodus 32:7,8

Reference:

http://daviswiki.org/Moller_Internat...9fa39ea01bc9db

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Jun 26, 8:46*am, American wrote:





On Jun 25, 6:27*pm, "
wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:52*am, Williamknowsbest wrote:

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

* *People with ALL heavier-than-air technology, including cars have
greatly overestimated
* *their abiliity with future technology.
* *Which is mostly why the brighter people turned their wasted garages
* *in computer and laser factories.
* *And turned their houses into PV Cell Solariums.
* *And turned their idiot malls into Hologram outlets,
* *And turned their bridge companies into titaniium companies.
* *And tunred their idiot electric companies into microwave companies.
* *And turned their idiot schools into philosophy satellites.
* *And turned their idiot army into cell phone repairmen.
* *And turned their idiot coal companies into robot dodgers.
.

Just like old cars in junkyards, highway infrastructures should be-
come outdated as skycars become popular. However, it would seem
that the current highway infrastructure completely opposes gutting
the system of pork-barreled costs to mass transit, as well as gut-
ting the ensuing environmentalist purge on whatever free market
system of capitalism that might get in the way.

Paul Moller - not Barack Obama, or John McCain, needs to be
elected President. This will have the effect like the multinational
companies had with Bush - unless the political infighting between
the Moller protective associates conflicted with the Blackwater
associates, then all hell would break loose. The price of gasoline
would not be controlled enough with Moller's innovation into the
transportational infrastructure, because just about every borough,
town, and city, foreign and national, would have to eventually for-
feit a large portion of their tax infrastructure to non-pork
projects (an impossibility with entitlement bureaucracies like
ours).

Therefore, due to "unforseen circumstances", the price of gasoline
would immediately rise to over $10.00/gallon, prompting most people
to stay at home instead of driving to work.

* *Many people are finding that an exellent oppurtunity regardless of
fuel prices.
* *Since the governemnt jerks not only have gasoline prices rigged,
* *they have insurance premiums, and home heating prices rigged also.
* *Which is why internet, PV Cells, digital theatre, GPS, Cruise
Missiles,
* *Adaptive A.I. *blue lasers, non-idiot robotics, and Stem Cells
catch on so
* *quickly with morons.

*The price of gasoline



would not have to go up right away, but because of the threat that
President Moller faced from the transnationalists, instead of
advancing the civilization, continued to retard development against
clean and cheap energy, so that only the rich are hovering to work
in the M-200X, while the poor of us are left to fend for ourselves.

No, the Day of the Golden Calf is already upon us.

American- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I must apologise about the en.wikipedia.org'd version of the Skycar
market. Servers like 'en.wikipedia.org' only offer the populist inter-
pretation - the bureaucratic, SEC one. Hear the truth from the inven-
tor's own mouth, and you'll see today what he's still up against:

In response to the abovementioned SEC complaint, Dr. Moller
explains the case to The Wall Street Transcript:

TWST: Looking back over the years as you’ve worked on these
things, has there been any controversy? I read that the SEC
issued a complaint.

Dr. Moller: That’s correct.

TWST: Could you explain that?

Dr. Moller: Yes. Any non-public company (which we were early on)
that raises money from what we would call angel investors or
any investors has to raise it under certain SEC regulations that
require you to determine that you are dealing with sophisticated
investors. The problem is that sometimes people who become
investors in your company will exaggerate their own net worth or
sophistication, and it’s really up to us to determine whether
that’s valid or not. We did have some investors come on board that
the SEC argued were not sophisticated. Normally this kind of issue
is resolved by providing a rescission agreement so that the in-
vestor can get his money back plus 12% interest. We have used this
before successfully when any issue came up. The individual we were
dealing with within the SEC resisted this approach. We believe he
did so knowing that the investors in question did not want their
money back and this would have voided his case. Any small com-
pany that has faced off against the SEC will tell you that you do
not fight this powerful government agency. You accept a fine to
settle. You don’t accept guilt. You’re not claimed to be guilty,
but a fine is a way of getting rid of something that you could
never win if you really try to defend yourself. If anybody has ex-
perienced a fight with the IRS or the SEC, they learn quickly
enough that, as a small company, you don’t have the government
resources to legally fight it. The few who try always lose.

In the SEC's repost above, they state that "The company was sup-
posedly engaged in the development of a revolutionary personal
aircraft, dubbed "the Skycar," that would allow a person to travel
at speeds over 400 miles-per-hour above roadways for about the
same price as a luxury automobile..." The Skycar exists and has
flown on many occasions.

The SEC is not the FAA, so they're only looking at the sale of
stocks by Moller, not the validity of the Skycar.

The earlier versions of the Skycar, the M200x, flew successfully
for over 200+ flights, both in VTOL mode and in level flight.
Only a few other aircraft have accomplished that: the Harrier AV-8,
the Osprey, the BA609, and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).
That puts Moller in some very heady company.

As I had made the statement earlier, Moller is still holding out to
those who wish to reproduce the invention material, as per a power-
ful arm of the government - the SEC - so as to engage in a war of
LICENSE in order to update whatever the FAA might or might not
have to mandate, in terms of its having to "flight certify" along
with
the military and heavy commercial types of aircraft, which is
total bunk...

These vehicles, IMO require no FAA certification. (Neither do rear-
propeller semi-powered delta-wing gliders, for that matter, in most
states). Mid air collisions are much less probable when there are
several altitude levels for traffic to move through. We need neither
licenses or certifications for these machines...

The whole thing is a scam by the Fed to suck more money away
from the people that know of a better, less mass-controlled way of
transportation, but Moller is being made to look like a swindler,
when he's just a smart inventor with a better idea...


American

'Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom
you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. They have been
quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made them-
selves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down
to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods,
O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'

Exodus 32:7,8

Reference:

http://daviswiki.org/Moller_Internat...9fa39ea01bc9db

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Jun 26, 8:46*am, American wrote:





On Jun 25, 6:27*pm, "
wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:52*am, Williamknowsbest wrote:

You've explained why helicopters today aren't being widely used and
elided any reference to potential growth... which if investments were
made in this technology, would result in improvements in the features
you speak about.

* *People with ALL heavier-than-air technology, including cars have
greatly overestimated
* *their abiliity with future technology.
* *Which is mostly why the brighter people turned their wasted garages
* *in computer and laser factories.
* *And turned their houses into PV Cell Solariums.
* *And turned their idiot malls into Hologram outlets,
* *And turned their bridge companies into titaniium companies.
* *And tunred their idiot electric companies into microwave companies.
* *And turned their idiot schools into philosophy satellites.
* *And turned their idiot army into cell phone repairmen.
* *And turned their idiot coal companies into robot dodgers.
.

Just like old cars in junkyards, highway infrastructures should be-
come outdated as skycars become popular. However, it would seem
that the current highway infrastructure completely opposes gutting
the system of pork-barreled costs to mass transit, as well as gut-
ting the ensuing environmentalist purge on whatever free market
system of capitalism that might get in the way.

Paul Moller - not Barack Obama, or John McCain, needs to be
elected President. This will have the effect like the multinational
companies had with Bush - unless the political infighting between
the Moller protective associates conflicted with the Blackwater
associates, then all hell would break loose. The price of gasoline
would not be controlled enough with Moller's innovation into the
transportational infrastructure, because just about every borough,
town, and city, foreign and national, would have to eventually for-
feit a large portion of their tax infrastructure to non-pork
projects (an impossibility with entitlement bureaucracies like
ours).

Therefore, due to "unforseen circumstances", the price of gasoline
would immediately rise to over $10.00/gallon, prompting most people
to stay at home instead of driving to work.

* *Many people are finding that an exellent oppurtunity regardless of
fuel prices.
* *Since the governemnt jerks not only have gasoline prices rigged,
* *they have insurance premiums, and home heating prices rigged also.
* *Which is why internet, PV Cells, digital theatre, GPS, Cruise
Missiles,
* *Adaptive A.I. *blue lasers, non-idiot robotics, and Stem Cells
catch on so
* *quickly with morons.

*The price of gasoline



would not have to go up right away, but because of the threat that
President Moller faced from the transnationalists, instead of
advancing the civilization, continued to retard development against
clean and cheap energy, so that only the rich are hovering to work
in the M-200X, while the poor of us are left to fend for ourselves.

No, the Day of the Golden Calf is already upon us.

American- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I must apologise about the en.wikipedia.org'd version of the Skycar
market. Servers like 'en.wikipedia.org' only offer the populist inter-
pretation - the bureaucratic, SEC one. Hear the truth from the inven-
tor's own mouth, and you'll see today what he's still up against:

In response to the abovementioned SEC complaint, Dr. Moller
explains the case to The Wall Street Transcript:

TWST: Looking back over the years as you’ve worked on these
things, has there been any controversy? I read that the SEC
issued a complaint.

Dr. Moller: That’s correct.

TWST: Could you explain that?

Dr. Moller: Yes. Any non-public company (which we were early on)
that raises money from what we would call angel investors or
any investors has to raise it under certain SEC regulations that
require you to determine that you are dealing with sophisticated
investors. The problem is that sometimes people who become
investors in your company will exaggerate their own net worth or
sophistication, and it’s really up to us to determine whether
that’s valid or not. We did have some investors come on board that
the SEC argued were not sophisticated. Normally this kind of issue
is resolved by providing a rescission agreement so that the in-
vestor can get his money back plus 12% interest. We have used this
before successfully when any issue came up. The individual we were
dealing with within the SEC resisted this approach. We believe he
did so knowing that the investors in question did not want their
money back and this would have voided his case. Any small com-
pany that has faced off against the SEC will tell you that you do
not fight this powerful government agency. You accept a fine to
settle. You don’t accept guilt. You’re not claimed to be guilty,
but a fine is a way of getting rid of something that you could
never win if you really try to defend yourself. If anybody has ex-
perienced a fight with the IRS or the SEC, they learn quickly
enough that, as a small company, you don’t have the government
resources to legally fight it. The few who try always lose.

In the SEC's repost above, they state that "The company was sup-
posedly engaged in the development of a revolutionary personal
aircraft, dubbed "the Skycar," that would allow a person to travel
at speeds over 400 miles-per-hour above roadways for about the
same price as a luxury automobile..." The Skycar exists and has
flown on many occasions.

The SEC is not the FAA, so they're only looking at the sale of
stocks by Moller, not the validity of the Skycar.

The earlier versions of the Skycar, the M200x, flew successfully
for over 200+ flights, both in VTOL mode and in level flight.
Only a few other aircraft have accomplished that: the Harrier AV-8,
the Osprey, the BA609, and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).
That puts Moller in some very heady company.

As I had made the statement earlier, Moller is still holding out to
those who wish to reproduce the invention material, as per a power-
ful arm of the government - the SEC - so as to engage in a war of
LICENSE in order to update whatever the FAA might or might not
have to mandate, in terms of its having to "flight certify" along
with the military and heavy commercial types of aircraft, which
is total bunk...

These vehicles, IMO require no FAA certification. (Neither do rear-
propeller semi-powered delta-wing gliders, for that matter, in most
states). Mid air collisions are much less probable when there are
several altitude levels for traffic to move through. We need neither
licenses or certifications for these machines...

The whole thing is a scam by the Fed to suck more money away
from the people that know of a better, less mass-controlled way of
transportation, but Moller is being made to look like a swindler,
when he's just a smart inventor with a better idea...


American

'Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom
you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. They have been
quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made them-
selves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down
to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods,
O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'

Exodus 32:7,8

Reference:

http://daviswiki.org/Moller_Internat...9fa39ea01bc9db