.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?

What future would he write? Or would you?


A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?


I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.

That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
....Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.

...............................................

Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?


A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,

"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
requires numerous significant advances in current technology
and capabilities

b. A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
for achieving all needed advances"

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html



I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.

Whichever comes first~


Jonathan


"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
do the other things, not because they are easy, but
because they are hard, because that goal will serve
to organize and measure the best of our energies
and skills, because that challenge is one that we
are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
postpone, and one which we intend to win..."

-JFK





s

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:19:44 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:


What future would he write? Or would you?


A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?


I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space.

In other words, like most of what you write, it would be fiction.

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
...


In other words, like most of what you write, it would be fiction.


Detailing the past is easy. Scientifically predicting the future in detail
is what's hard.

You objectively trained folks have it all so backwards. Relying on
'facts' and details of the past in order to predict the future.
And thus gain control over the present. That doesn't work.
The world is non-linear, and unpredictable.

If your 'modern' method gives almost zero ability to predict the future.
The reverse must do just the opposite. The way around the problem
of /predicting/ the future of a non-linear world is to replace detailing
reality, with imagining the future.

The more accurate or detailed our imagination is of the future
the more likely we can make the proper decisions needed
to make that future a reality. And the better chance we have
of knowing in advance what our future is to be.

Also, the path to finding personal contentment /today/ is in the hope
and promise of a better future. So, imagining a better future is the
path to improving the present, and should be our highest scientific
/and/ personal priority.


Jonathan

s

On Jun 21, 8:58 pm, "jonathan" wrote:
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message

...



In other words, like most of what you write, it would be fiction.

Detailing the past is easy. Scientifically predicting the future in detail
is what's hard.

You objectively trained folks have it all so backwards. Relying on
'facts' and details of the past in order to predict the future.
And thus gain control over the present. That doesn't work.
The world is non-linear, and unpredictable.

If your 'modern' method gives almost zero ability to predict the future.
The reverse must do just the opposite. The way around the problem
of /predicting/ the future of a non-linear world is to replace detailing
reality, with imagining the future.

The more accurate or detailed our imagination is of the future
the more likely we can make the proper decisions needed
to make that future a reality. And the better chance we have
of knowing in advance what our future is to be.

Also, the path to finding personal contentment /today/ is in the hope
and promise of a better future. So, imagining a better future is the
path to improving the present, and should be our highest scientific
/and/ personal priority.

Jonathan

s

If the future is having to be entirely based upon sustaining the lies
upon lies of the past, what's the point (other than bad science
fiction)?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

"BradGuth" wrote in message
...


If the future is having to be entirely based upon sustaining the lies
upon lies of the past, what's the point (other than bad science
fiction)?



Oh no, with complexity science it becomes quite straight
forward to imagine the ideal future. The reason is just
a wonderful discovery of the new mathematics.

What complexity science has done is give us an abstract
mathematical model of the ideal evolutionary or Darwinian
system. Called the Complex Adaptive System. (CAS)

This is the idealized template or perfect form that any
evolving system might attain. A perfect form with which
to compare any actual system against.

So, you see don't you. A complexity scientist has the
CORRECT FUTURE or answer...in hand...in advance
... for any real world problem at all. The only imagination
needed is in how to draw a path from here to there.

An objective frame leads to seeing only how bad things
are, and how difficult they are to fix. A complexity
view leads to a wonderful optimism as we can see
exactly what needs to be done to begin moving
towards perfection. Since perfection is no longer
some pipe-dream, but a mathematical model.

Complex Adaptive Systems - Webs of Delight
http://www.calresco.org/lucas/cas.htm

Imagining the ideal future becomes a matter of grunt
work, just like designing the perfect business plan
based on the same concept. Or the perfect diet, or
stock chart etc etc.

Nature has already shown us the system with the
greatest potential for creation, beauty and wisdom.
We must simply apply that perfect solution to every
problem we face.

How can one recognize perfection once it sets in???
That's even easier, just look for the emergence of
power law dynamics or 'critical' behavior.

Power Law

"Power-law relations characterize a staggering number
of natural patterns"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law

Which is a system persistently poised at it's phase
transition state. Such as water just at the boiling
point, but not quite, or a cloud at the transition
point between evaporation and condensation.

Poised at a state where the forces for order and
disorder are equal partners, so one can't tell
which dominates.

Or biological evolution where neither genetics
or mutation dominates.

Or a universe where neither gravity or cosmic expansion
wins.

Such as a society poised between being dominated
by the rule of law, or freedom.

Or a ...future ...where our imagination is not limited
by our resources. They must be co-equal for
the future to evolve towards perfection.

The path to a perfect future lies in finding an
unending stream of clean energy. And in
the spread of world-wide democracy.

Which is why I go on and on about the opportunity
for democratic change during the Beijing Oympics
and SSP.

A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest future threats?
While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1


Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
requires numerous significant advances in current technology
and capabilities

b. A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
for achieving all needed advances"
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html


I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before
global warming becomes irreversible.

I believe China should become democratic.

Those two things and the perfect future becomes
almost inevitable. Both are ...right now...within
our grasp. We are so close, a little push with both
issues in the right direction could do the trick


s


BradGuth

On Jun 22, 12:14 pm, "jonathan" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

...



If the future is having to be entirely based upon sustaining the lies
upon lies of the past, what's the point (other than bad science
fiction)?

Oh no, with complexity science it becomes quite straight
forward to imagine the ideal future. The reason is just
a wonderful discovery of the new mathematics.

What complexity science has done is give us an abstract
mathematical model of the ideal evolutionary or Darwinian
system. Called the Complex Adaptive System. (CAS)

Your CAS as based upon Old Testament formulated lies upon lies shall
beget more of the same. The ideal Old Testament future as based upon
the DARPA New World Order has been under development ever since WWII.
How do you like it thus far?

Their need-to-know, evidence exclusions, topic/author stalking,
bashings and banishment seems to be doing just perfectly fine and
dandy. Mainstream status quo or bust has never been a happier camper,
especially in the realm of global energy domination and/or free market
control that only benefits the upper most 0.1%.


This is the idealized template or perfect form that any
evolving system might attain. A perfect form with which
to compare any actual system against.

So, you see don't you. A complexity scientist has the
CORRECT FUTURE or answer...in hand...in advance
.. for any real world problem at all. The only imagination
needed is in how to draw a path from here to there.

An objective frame leads to seeing only how bad things
are, and how difficult they are to fix. A complexity
view leads to a wonderful optimism as we can see
exactly what needs to be done to begin moving
towards perfection. Since perfection is no longer
some pipe-dream, but a mathematical model.

Complex Adaptive Systems - Webs of Delighthttp://www.calresco.org/lucas/cas.htm

Imagining the ideal future becomes a matter of grunt
work, just like designing the perfect business plan
based on the same concept. Or the perfect diet, or
stock chart etc etc.

Nature has already shown us the system with the
greatest potential for creation, beauty and wisdom.
We must simply apply that perfect solution to every
problem we face.

How can one recognize perfection once it sets in???
That's even easier, just look for the emergence of
power law dynamics or 'critical' behavior.

Power Law

"Power-law relations characterize a staggering number
of natural patterns"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law

Which is a system persistently poised at it's phase
transition state. Such as water just at the boiling
point, but not quite, or a cloud at the transition
point between evaporation and condensation.

Poised at a state where the forces for order and
disorder are equal partners, so one can't tell
which dominates.

Or biological evolution where neither genetics
or mutation dominates.

Or a universe where neither gravity or cosmic expansion
wins.

Such as a society poised between being dominated
by the rule of law, or freedom.

Or a ...future ...where our imagination is not limited
by our resources. They must be co-equal for
the future to evolve towards perfection.

The path to a perfect future lies in finding an
unending stream of clean energy. And in
the spread of world-wide democracy.

Which is why I go on and on about the opportunity
for democratic change during the Beijing Oympics
and SSP.

A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest future threats?
While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
requires numerous significant advances in current technology
and capabilities

b. A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
for achieving all needed advances"http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html

I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before
global warming becomes irreversible.

I believe China should become democratic.

Those two things and the perfect future becomes
almost inevitable. Both are ...right now...within
our grasp. We are so close, a little push with both
issues in the right direction could do the trick

s

What part of "I told you so" doesn't count?

Good and honest folks have been pushing for decades, and the DARPA
status quo has been pushing right back, except thumbs down all the
way, and so much harder because they get to use our hard earned public
and private loot, as well as using our best available talents and
multiple resources, including mainstream media and textbook context
control that goes along with promoting their Federal Reserve banking
cartel and their Zionist/Jewish dominated intellectual cartel.

Is there any part of their spendy New World Order that you don't like?
(apparently not)

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

On Jun 21, 9:19�am, "jonathan" wrote:
What future would he write? Or would you?

A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?

I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.

That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.

..............................................

Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?

A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) �Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop �technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,

"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. �Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
� � �requires numerous significant advances in current technology
� � �and capabilities

�b. � A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
� � � �for achieving all needed advances"

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html

I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.

Whichever comes first~

Jonathan

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
� � do the other things, not because they are easy, but
� �because they are hard, because that goal will serve
� � �to organize and measure the best of our energies
� � and skills, because that challenge is one that we
� � � are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
� � �postpone, and one which we intend to win..."

� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-JFK

s

The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.

C3

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT), C3 wrote:

The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.

http://www.postcardsfromthefuture.net/

--
Darren J Longhorn
It's all faked, I tell you, all of it!
You want proof? I'll give you your stinkin' proof...
http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/proof/nasa2.jpg

"Darren J Longhorn" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT), C3 wrote:

The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.

http://www.postcardsfromthefuture.net/



I'll be damned!

What we need is a competition among future visions.

The problem with the classical approach to 'selling'
the future of space is with this 'faith-based' approach.
Which for the Vision is essentially 'if we build it they
will come'. Having faith that tangible benefits of all
kinds will naturally flow from building bases on
the Moon and Mars.

That's just poor logic. Because it places our 'faith' in the
wrong place. In discoveries or new markets that are
only vaguely expressed, and are very far off in the future.
The KEY SELLING POINTS, are as unclear and distant
as possible.Minimizing the potential appeal and inspiration.

What drives a projects success is the level of clear and
unambiguous tangible benefits that will be returned.
That needs to be maximized, not minimized as
with the Vision.

You maximize the clear benefits by tackling the biggest
single problem facing the future of the entire planet.
So that /everyone/ on the planet has a clear interest
in it's success.

Where does NASA, space travel and the largest global
threats ...overlap???

A logical goal, one that maximizes potential support
and effect on our future, is one revolving around
creating an unending and clean source of energy.

A logical goal designed to maximize potential
support and effect on our future would be one
like..."Replacing fossil fuels with solar power
before global warming becomes irreversible".

It's an extremely difficult goal and within a very
demanding time constraint. But like Apollo, I have
faith we'll figure out how to accomplish it
along the way.








--
Darren J Longhorn
It's all faked, I tell you, all of it!
You want proof? I'll give you your stinkin' proof...
http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/proof/nasa2.jpg

On Jun 21, 2:12 pm, C3 wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:19�am, "jonathan" wrote:



What future would he write? Or would you?

A future based on what is likely to occur
based on current facts and trends?

Or a future NASA ..should...have in an
otherwise perfect world?

I know what I would write. It would be a future
where NASA plays the central role in fulfilling
the promise of space. Which I believe is taking
the human race to the next level of understanding
ability to survive, and prosperity.

That NASA should become the vehicle for creating
...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet
and be an ever growing source of inspiration across
space and time.

..............................................

Would such a movie include a Space Program like this?
Which President Bush canceled his first year in office?

A program which conceivably could end our dependence
on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the
two largest global future threats?

"NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY
RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)"

While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia"
for the future?

"The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space
Solar Power (SSP) �Exploratory Research and Technology
(SERT) program was charged to develop �technologies
needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical
power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1

Statement of John C. Mankins
Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies
Office of Space Flight
September 7, 2000

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee,

"NASA has examined the viability of large-scale space solar power
(SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology
research activities."

"Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:"

"a. �Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that
� � �requires numerous significant advances in current technology
� � �and capabilities

�b. � A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths
� � � �for achieving all needed advances"

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html

I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels
with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the
oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible.

Whichever comes first~

Jonathan

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and
� � do the other things, not because they are easy, but
� �because they are hard, because that goal will serve
� � �to organize and measure the best of our energies
� � and skills, because that challenge is one that we
� � � are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to
� � �postpone, and one which we intend to win...."

� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-JFK

s

The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about
sending a shuttle to Mars. Then we would mine the Universe for its
vast riches and explore more planets. We certainly have the
technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics.

C3

The Space Shuttle is not designed to go to Mars, much less the Moon.
It is designed and engineered for low earth orbit only.
It lacks the delta vee to get out of earth orbit.