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Challenger's Shadow
"The checks and balances inherent in our form of government were
largely ignored in this tragedy, and during the investigation." http://www.ewritermagazine.com/Issue...htm#Challenger Enter/exit Columbia: http://www.ewritermagazine.com/Issues/february.htm#NASA Llumina, one year after publishing the book: "It's out of print; it's being redone." sci.space.shuttle/sci.space.history: No "peer reviews." The shadow lengthens ... |
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Michael Gardner wrote:
No one would waste their time with yet another baseless conspiracy theory. Please. Stop. Do not respond. Stop the horror before it grows. THIS GOES FOR *EVERYONE.* We've all seen it too many times before. Move on. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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Scott Lowther wrote: Please. Stop. Do not respond. Stop the horror before it grows. It was YOU Scott....wasn't it ? The man in the Texas Book Depository "digging around for copies of those old Collier's articles" on that blighted day when he fell...wasn't it ...WASN'T IT!!!! 'Fess up....you damned Illuminati!!!!! We ALL know how it's possible to squeeze off three shots inside of five seconds with a GYROJET ROCKET RIFLE!!!! "Raul" Bay of Pigs Cuba |
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On or about Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:42:49 GMT, Scott Lowther
made the sensational claim that: THIS GOES FOR *EVERYONE.* Apparently didn't go for you. :-P -- This is a siggy | To E-mail, do note | This space is for rent It's properly formatted | who you mean to reply-to | Inquire within if you No person, none, care | and it will reach me | Would like your ad here |
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"Pat Flannery" wrote:
Scott Lowther wrote: Please. Stop. Do not respond. Stop the horror before it grows. Like you or anyone else controls the actions of persons who post here... ...you are funny. It was YOU Scott....wasn't it ? The man in the Texas Book Depository "digging around for copies of those old Collier's articles" on that blighted day when he fell...wasn't it ...WASN'T IT!!!! 'Fess up....you damned Illuminati!!!!! We ALL know how it's possible to squeeze off three shots inside of five seconds with a GYROJET ROCKET RIFLE!!!! While the old ne'r ancient reference to St. JerOMe is a laugher, do you appreciate who Jack Macidull is, and what a book by him might portend at this point in time? "Raul" Bay of Pigs Cuba Okey doke, now do I sing that verse to "We Didn't Start the Fire"? http://www.its.caltech.edu/~yel/Fire.html Enjoy. Thank you for watching. Do you get my subliminal message? -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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"John Maxson" wrote:
"The checks and balances inherent in our form of government were largely ignored in this tragedy, and during the investigation." http://www.ewritermagazine.com/Issue...htm#Challenger I must state that I disagree. The checks and balances simply failed plain and simple. Enter/exit Columbia: http://www.ewritermagazine.com/Issues/february.htm#NASA Yeah, when the Starfire video was withheld that was enough for me. I was told from two reliable sources that Columbia was alos captured on video and film during reentry over Nevada's Tonopah Test Range. Allegedly the photography was completed by Intercept Ground Optical Recorders (IGORs) normally used in military aerial "Red Flag" exercises; additionally the very high power radar at the highly classified facility on Bald mountain just north of Groom Lake's "Systems" facilities (they test Stealth technology among other things) also tracked Columbia and a large separating piece as well. Llumina, one year after publishing the book: "It's out of print; it's being redone." I don't know when you talked to them but my book arrived today. I will say that just a very cursory look at John MaciDull's writing suggests he has finally come clean on Challenger--at least to the extent of his knowledge. http://www.llumina.com/store/challenger.htm sci.space.shuttle/sci.space.history: No "peer reviews." Well the book was a little obscure. It won't be for long I hope. It is available and I will write a review here when I am done. The shadow lengthens ... I like that statement. -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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"Michael Gardner" wrote:
How does a print on demand, e-book go out of print? Because it wasn't worth the disk space to keep around? It doesn't, however hard backs do! Get your facts straight please. http://www.llumina.com/store/challenger.htm -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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"Michael Gardner" wrote:
"Charleston" wrote: "Michael Gardner" wrote: How does a print on demand, e-book go out of print? Because it wasn't worth the disk space to keep around? It doesn't, however hard backs do! Get your facts straight please. You're right. Your bozo father started by referencing an epublishing page as if anything published there would be worth the disk space. I assumed the book was from there. Still his whole point seemed to be to imply some further conspiracy in the book being out of print. I ignore most of his posts, but this was classic "make an implication but don't say what you mean", maxson. Excuse me but who are you to call anyone a Bozo after you "assumed"? Your bias is showing. If you had only taken the time to read to the bottom of the following link: http://www.ewritermagazine.com/Issues/february.htm#NASA as posted by my Dad who started this thread, you would have found the following quote: "Copies of Challenger's Shadow can be ordered on-line at www.llumina.com/store/challenger.htm or through www.Amazon.com ." If you had then gone to the publisher's link you would have seen the book's cover which is not shaped like a CD, hmmm. This means the cover could be that of a book, hmmm. Even if you missed all of that, I doubt you could possibly miss this data next to the photo of the cover of the book: "ISBN: 1-932047-39-5 156 pages Hardcover 6" x 9" History and Expose" So, game, set, match, you did not do your homework and you have been caught. I'll try harder to ignore his useless messages next time. I will try harder to ignore your highly personalized biased comments too. Please indicate in your first line of your next objective post that it is same and I will read it;-) Now as to "his useless messages". I don't know for sure but I think the book may well have gone out of print and then been reprinted. Anyway, without my father's link, I would not have known the book had been printed. It is a small book--156 pages, but it is a **devastating** book in that it deals with the Challenger accident in a manner that exposes NASA's clear cut willingness to obfuscate the truth. No I would not say his post was worthless. I would say it was quite worthwhile for anyone who wants to read the first inside and fairly indepth account of the Presidential Commission's investigation into the Challenger accident. It'll blow you away. It certainly blows Crippen away as he Truly deserves. I will write a more complete critique of the book when I am done. http://www.llumina.com/store/challenger.htm -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SCo |
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"Michael Gardner" wrote:
"Charleston" wrote: "Michael Gardner" wrote: Excuse me but who are you to call anyone a Bozo after you "assumed"? Your bias is showing. Bias, sure I'm biased. Three years of his meandering unfounded conspiracy theories..... he's biased everone here. I admitted to jumping the gun on that one - glancing back at the post taht is clear. Your point by point rehash below is both unnecessary and disingenuine considering the thousands of maxson posts this group has seen with little or now discernable logic to follow. Well so much for an objective scientific approach. Why respond at all then? Write your review - it will have the same bias you've always shown here. Ohh. I will be happy to compare posts on Space Shuttle safety with anyone on this group. If I have any bias it is to lean on the side which makes space flight safer. Generally however, the Columbia accident made many of my points for me. Remember I brought up the SIAT report when being critical of NASA was akin to blasphemy. It takes an individual of conviction to stand up and argue against popular opinion on a somewhat cheerleading like sci.group. As for the Challenger accident, I think my posts on balance are fair. I need only point out a few threads to prove that if you'd like. Much of what I have written here on crew escape is being proven correct despite my detractors here. What is the sum of your posting here? -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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"Michael Gardner" wrote:
"Charleston" wrote: "Michael Gardner" wrote: Bias, sure I'm biased. Three years of his meandering unfounded conspiracy theories..... he's biased everone here. I admitted to jumping the gun on that one - glancing back at the post taht is clear. Your point by point rehash below is both unnecessary and disingenuine considering the thousands of maxson posts this group has seen with little or now discernable logic to follow. Well so much for an objective scientific approach. Why respond at all then? We know where you learned your scientific approach. No you don't. And while I appreciate that you've made some materials that were otherwise not generally availabe on the internet, available - you've used the same sort of "toss out an inference - I'll get proof on the web some day" model John uses. And in good time you will see it all. You do him one better, you actually get the materials on the web - but they don't "prove" what you were inferring they did. Excuse me? I think the Apollo 1/204 info I posted is consistent with my posts. As for scientific approach, what exactly do you call it when someone takes the time to make a FOIA request, and present the data as I did on Apollo 1/204? OTOH, you have presented what? You could have done the same thing and spent not one dime to get that FOIA information. So the "point" of you posting here as far as I can see is to provide some of the data your father referred to - but little else. And that is why you fail. You think you understand something, you criticize, when all the time it was you who failed to do your homework. What is the sum of your posting here? I KNOW NASA is full of problems. Few here think it isn't. I thought not. You attack instead of answering. I don't really care what you think about NASA and its problems. That is a big generic der or duh. Others can speak for themselves and so can the Google record. Your point here from the Google record seems to be to attack people as if God appointed you Sergeant at Arms for thie Sci.Space.Shuttle. That pretty much sums up your contribution. You contribute very little. You and your ilk, keep crying wolf as if you've got some special knowledge when it is clear you don't. And calling names makes you right? As for crying wolf. Hey Mike there is a wolf or did you miss the Columbia disaster? Figuratively of course. I pointed out the wolf and what it was doing using NASA's own documents. When people attack your lack of support for your conspiracy theories - you interpret it as support for NASA - and so the vicious circle continues. Oh please don't be vague. If you stuck solely to the topic of crew escape - leaving out all the crap about "why you think NASA doesn't see it your way" - You can't speak for NASA. or all the wishful thinking about what anonymous individual set what on tragic videos - people might take your hard work seriously. In the mean time, you're earning the reputation for being another crank in the wrong newsgroup. And you have earned your own reputation. -- Real Working Engineer I am tempted. -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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