How many degrees in their orbit do the planets travel in one Earth year?

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:54:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rs-review-says

Such incidents are crimes and should be reported to the police, not to the church.

Except so many go undetected because the Church actively covers them
up.

From that website -

"However, if you were to photograph an outer planet over several weeks or months against a fixed reference point in the sky, such as this APOD picture of Mars you would be able to see this apparent motion. So, not only do the outer planets change their positions relative to the "fixed stars" as they orbit the Sun, they apparently wander back and forth as well. No wonder the Greeks called them "planets" ("wanderers").

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060422.html

All this, of course, is due to our perspective from a moving Earth as it overtakes and passes the other planets."

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060422.html

I trust people to have the intelligence to follow the resolution for outer planetary perspectives which rely exclusively on relative speeds between the Earth and the outer planets using the stationary stellar field of stars as a gauge for relative motions -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html


Inner planetary retrograde resolution does not fit into a stationary stellar background and that is where 21st century graphics and imaging takes center stage as there is so much going on. The Earth's orbital input into the heliocentric perspective of the inner planets is twofold with one major component and one minor component.

The minor component is that the point at which Venus and Mercury reach their greatest elongation from the Sun is either accelerated or delayed depending on whether the inner planets are about to approach the Earth or have already overtaken the planet.

The major component supplied by the Earth is setting the Sun up as a central reference for the observed behavior of the inner planets and much beloved of astrophotographers in putting phases in proper context -

http://www.popastro.com/images/plane...ary%202012.jpg

There should be no need to drag observers into the 21st century in order to partition retrograde resolution by perspectives as we can actually see Venus and Mercury make a circuit of the Sun in the clearest possible form as they swing out and then back in front of the Sun and move in opposite ways to the background stars which is recognized in that wonderful graphic -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

This is for people who can understand the perspectives and can later get into the forensics as to why the insight hasn't made it into wider circulation until now. The mediocre will never get it.

oriel36 wrote:
From that website -

"However, if you were to photograph an outer planet over several weeks or
months against a fixed reference point in the sky, such as this APOD
picture of Mars you would be able to see this apparent motion. So, not
only do the outer planets change their positions relative to the "fixed
stars" as they orbit the Sun, they apparently wander back and forth as
well. No wonder the Greeks called them "planets" ("wanderers").

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060422.html

All this, of course, is due to our perspective from a moving Earth as it
overtakes and passes the other planets."

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060422.html

I trust people to have the intelligence to follow the resolution for
outer planetary perspectives which rely exclusively on relative speeds
between the Earth and the outer planets using the stationary stellar
field of stars as a gauge for relative motions -


If only you had the intelligence to see that this conclusion does not
require great intelligence because it's so obvious to those who don't
suffer from your mental defects


http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html


Inner planetary retrograde resolution does not fit into a stationary
stellar background and that is where 21st century graphics and imaging
takes center stage as there is so much going on. The Earth's orbital
input into the heliocentric perspective of the inner planets is twofold
with one major component and one minor component.

The minor component is that the point at which Venus and Mercury reach
their greatest elongation from the Sun is either accelerated or delayed
depending on whether the inner planets are about to approach the Earth or
have already overtaken the planet.

The major component supplied by the Earth is setting the Sun up as a
central reference for the observed behavior of the inner planets and much
beloved of astrophotographers in putting phases in proper context -

http://www.popastro.com/images/plane...ary%202012.jpg

There should be no need to drag observers into the 21st century in order
to partition retrograde resolution by perspectives as we can actually see
Venus and Mercury make a circuit of the Sun in the clearest possible form
as they swing out and then back in front of the Sun and move in opposite
ways to the background stars which is recognized in that wonderful graphic -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFrE7hWj0A

This is for people who can understand the perspectives and can later get
into the forensics as to why the insight hasn't made it into wider
circulation until now. The mediocre will never get it.

Exactly! The mediocre will never understand the truth because they have no
knowledge of the scientific method. However you will have to improve
considerably before you reach the understanding of even the mediocre.
Mediocrity is something to which you must aspire.

But you will probably never get up to that level thanks to your
overpowering arrogance and lack of empathy.

The approach of Huygens and his contemporaries as accurate clocks started to appear creates a number of problems as the introduction of the 24 hour system formats observations into the familiar 365 day/ 366 day cycles hence the true correlation between rotations and orbital behavior is lost for each individual circuit of 365 1/4 days and rotations. It is a complicated issue that stumped everyone including the genuine objections at the time of the Galileo affair that the facility which predicts astronomical events cannot be used to prove the Earth's turns and moves through space.

The partitioning of perspectives between the inner and outer planets and the role the field of stars plays in dividing the perspectives by way of a moving Earth has a number of additional aids for resolving the motions of the planets as they move back and forth against the background stars.

At the center of retrograde motions where the planets move with the annual motion of the stars behind the Sun, the Earth is closest to the planets in our respective orbits. In this case the outer planets are brightest at the center of retrogrades against the background field of stars -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap141028.html

In the case of the inner planet Venus, it is darkest at the center of retrogrades to the central Sun -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7U5VbasKr4

It can be argued that the grandstand view of the inner planets as they circuit the central Sun is just as fascinating as the relative speeds between the Earth and the outer planets which cause those slowing moving planets to temporarily fall behind in view, in either case people now have the entire narrative that didn't exist before.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 2:01:57 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:54:41 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rs-review-says

Such incidents are crimes and should be reported to the police, not to the church.

Except so many go undetected because the Church actively covers them
up.

How can something that is "undetected" then be covered up?

How does the Church "actively cover them up?"

The victims and their parents/guardians will still be aware of the crime and are free to report it to police.

Covering up a crime would be an obstruction of justice, usually a crime in and of itself.

How many are covered up? You need to provide percentages and absolute numbers.

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Except so many go undetected because the Church actively covers them
up.

How can something that is "undetected" then be covered up?

How does the Church "actively cover them up?"

Are you really that stupid? (Don't answer... we already know the
answer.)

Eventually, the crimes will out. And when that happens, years of
coverup are also seen.

The victims and their parents/guardians will still be aware of the crime and are free to report it to police.

You don't understand the psychology involved in crimes of abuse
involving unequal power balances.

Covering up a crime would be an obstruction of justice, usually a crime in and of itself.

And so it is. Which is why we are finally starting to see clergy
prosecutions, even at high levels. As well as clergy taken out of
other countries and brought to the Vatican, in order to prevent
prosecution.

How many are covered up? You need to provide percentages and absolute numbers.

Tens of thousands of cases.

wrote:
On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 2:01:57 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:54:41 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rs-review-says

Such incidents are crimes and should be reported to the police, not to the church.

Except so many go undetected because the Church actively covers them
up.

How can something that is "undetected" then be covered up?

How does the Church "actively cover them up?"

The victims and their parents/guardians will still be aware of the crime
and are free to report it to police.

Covering up a crime would be an obstruction of justice, usually a crime in and of itself.

How many are covered up? You need to provide percentages and absolute numbers.

If you had followed the links in the article above you would have found
this

http://gu.com/p/3eqvq/sbl

Your attitude of disbelief of such criticism of the church is common and
helps to shield the perpetrators by preventing victims from talking and
allowing the church to claim they are insane or, as the link stated
"alcoholics"

The methods and insights of the original heliocentric astronomers depended on the motions of objects as they moved through the Zodiac as an extension of the geocentric framework which had the Earth at the center.

"Secondly, we see other revolutions as advancing in the opposite direction, that is, from west to east; I refer to those of the sun, moon, and five planets. The sun thus regulates the year for us, and the moon the month, which are also very familiar Periods of time. In like manner each of the other five planets completes its own orbit.
Yet (these motions) differ in many ways (from the daily rotation or first motion). In the first place, they do not swing around the same poles as the first motion, but run obliquely through the zodiac. Secondly, these bodies are not seen moving uniformly in their orbits, since the sun and moon are observed to be sometimes slow, at other times faster in their course. Moreover, we see the other five planets also retrograde at times, and stationary at either end (of the regression). And whereas the sun always advances along its own direct path, they wander in various ways, straying sometimes to the south and sometimes to the north; that is why they are called "planets" (wanderers). " Copernicus, Chapter 4 , De Revolutionibus

http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars...opernicus.html

In terms of declination, the Sun was observed to move quickest nearer the Equinoxes and slowest at the Solstices (hence 'Sun stationary' ) and these observations are fun to consider even though they are now extraneous for 21st century purposes.

An injection of mediocrity normally kills a thread and creates distractions but in this case there are huge pieces of a puzzle that can be assembled to create a very 21st century narrative that is easy to understand for those who venture out at twilight or dawn.

Presently for those in the Western isles and elsewhere, the orbital motion of the Earth places the great star Sirius behind the Sun in a line-of-sight observation -

http://earthsky.org/?p=3540

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQwYrfmvoQ

The Sun is set up as a central reference in that graphic which is then applied to the motion of the inner planets.

It may be that there are less people around today who can appreciate the new split perspectives than there were in the 16th century who could appreciate what Copernicus did in accounting for outer planetary retrogrades but not inner planetary retrogrades even with superlative tools at our disposal.

This insight is free of academic concerns and is open to all observers. In a few months Sirius and the great field of stars known as Orion will be in full view as the Earth moves around the Sun and those stars come into open view.

oriel36 wrote:
The methods and insights of the original heliocentric astronomers
depended on the motions of objects as they moved through the Zodiac as an
extension of the geocentric framework which had the Earth at the center.

"Secondly, we see other revolutions as advancing in the opposite
direction, that is, from west to east; I refer to those of the sun, moon,
and five planets. The sun thus regulates the year for us, and the moon
the month, which are also very familiar Periods of time. In like manner
each of the other five planets completes its own orbit.
Yet (these motions) differ in many ways (from the daily rotation or first
motion). In the first place, they do not swing around the same poles as
the first motion, but run obliquely through the zodiac. Secondly, these
bodies are not seen moving uniformly in their orbits, since the sun and
moon are observed to be sometimes slow, at other times faster in their
course. Moreover, we see the other five planets also retrograde at times,
and stationary at either end (of the regression). And whereas the sun
always advances along its own direct path, they wander in various ways,
straying sometimes to the south and sometimes to the north; that is why
they are called "planets" (wanderers). " Copernicus, Chapter 4 , De Revolutionibus

http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars...opernicus.html

In terms of declination, the Sun was observed to move quickest nearer the
Equinoxes and slowest at the Solstices (hence 'Sun stationary' ) and
these observations are fun to consider even though they are now
extraneous for 21st century purposes.

An injection of mediocrity normally kills a thread and creates
distractions but in this case there are huge pieces of a puzzle that can
be assembled to create a very 21st century narrative that is easy to
understand for those who venture out at twilight or dawn.

Presently for those in the Western isles and elsewhere, the orbital
motion of the Earth places the great star Sirius behind the Sun in a
line-of-sight observation -

http://earthsky.org/?p540

https://www.youtube.com/watch?vîQwYrfmvoQ

The Sun is set up as a central reference in that graphic which is then
applied to the motion of the inner planets.

It may be that there are less people around today who can appreciate the
new split perspectives than there were in the 16th century who could
appreciate what Copernicus did in accounting for outer planetary
retrogrades but not inner planetary retrogrades even with superlative
tools at our disposal.

This insight is free of academic concerns and is open to all observers.
In a few months Sirius and the great field of stars known as Orion will
be in full view as the Earth moves around the Sun and those stars come into open view.

Sirius behind the Sun in one of sight?

Wrong again!

Sirius today:

https://flic.kr/p/xABovq

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:29:48 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
wrote:

In a few months Sirius and the great field of stars known as Orion will be in full view as the Earth moves around the Sun and those stars come into open view.

Gemini, Orion, Taurus. All these "winter" constellations are currently
prominent (and in "open view") in the hours before sunrise. And it's
been two or three weeks since the heliacal rising of Sirius, so while
still not prominent, it's easily seen in the pre-dawn sky.