What if life is discovered on mars?

On Dec 3, 10:02*am, |"
wrote:

On the other hand if there was life in the past, there maybe crude
oil.

I have good news for you. If there were oil on Mars, this would not
lead to the U.S. sending troops to Mars. Why not?

a) Oil isn't expensive enough to ship back to Earth.

b) Also, considering Mars' atmosphere is made up of carbon dioxide,
rather than being rich in oxygen, oil is not a particularly useful
fuel on Mars.

But, hey, at least Mars colonists will be able to make plastic for
themselves!

John Savard

In other words, you don't have a clue why "people bad, robots good" is
a sensible position. You're just bleating, as usual.

Robots can be carefully sterilized, as has been the policy with past
robotic missions to Mars. People... are just crawling with bacteria.
While they will be wearing spacesuits when outside, they would still
leave germs in their ships which would crawl into the airlocks and so
on.

Nope, doesn't follow. *If robots can be "carefully sterilized" then so
can environment suits, airlocks, etc. *If environment suits, airlocks,
etc, cannot be adequately sterilized, then neither can robots.


people living on mars would no doubt leak a tiny amount of life to the
planet, and possibly wipe out any local life...

robots can be carefully sterlizied to prevent contamination.

and all off world returning samples should be quartuned off planet so
as to prevent a disaster here.

personally i believe the universe has plentiful life. there was a
plague that spread across the world in just days before plane travel,
killed millions. it happened around the time of a comet visit

Le 03/12/11 03:46, Brian Thorn a écrit :
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:10:28 +0100, jacob
wrote:

Le 02/12/11 22:35, Fred J. McCall a écrit :
bob wrote:
Now should humans EVER go to mars? Since human life and contamination
might wipe out whatever life is already there, what would happen?


Who cares? Any life on Mars is microscopic at best. I put people
ahead of bacteria. It's not surprising you reverse that and side with
your own.


Sure. That would be in the best american/republican tradition.

And British, Spanish, French, Dutch, Portugese...

Of course. Brutaliy, ignorance aren't just only american features.

But they are worshipped in that country in such a way that makes them as
american as the apple pie.

The image of the "cowboys" lies at the heart of a certain tradition.

Just look at Mr McCall, for instance :-)


There weren't any people living in the far west.

Pay no attention to the centuries of population eradication east of
the Mississippi, in the Caribbean, and in South America before the
"far west' was populated. That wasn't done by Americans, so it is
ignored by idiots like Navia.


No, I am not ignoring it. I am just saying that you have a part in
that massacre. And instead of learning the lessons you want to
REPEAT it in an interplanetary scale this time.


AAAMERICAAA, LOOOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!

Well, I left.

And don't come back.


Sure. But what do you have to say to the issues I raise?

It is indifferent to you (as it is apparently to Mr McCall)
that we wipe out any marsian life?

What right do we have to invade their planet?

Le 03/12/11 19:00, Fred J. McCall a écrit :
wrote:

On Dec 3, 10:04 am, Fred J. wrote:

In other words, you don't have a clue why "people bad, robots good" is
a sensible position. You're just bleating, as usual.

Robots can be carefully sterilized, as has been the policy with past
robotic missions to Mars. People... are just crawling with bacteria.
While they will be wearing spacesuits when outside, they would still
leave germs in their ships which would crawl into the airlocks and so
on.


Nope, doesn't follow. If robots can be "carefully sterilized" then so
can environment suits, airlocks, etc. If environment suits, airlocks,
etc, cannot be adequately sterilized, then neither can robots.


Turn on your mind before writing McCall.

Robots can be sterilized ONCE, then sent away, you do NOT have to
ship the sterilizing equipment to Mars!

People would need huge waste management systems to keep earth
bacteria from escaping into the mars environment!

You would have to sterilize everything AGAIN and AGAIN at each
expedition to the outside.

Robots never come BACK McCall, people do. They could carry potentially
harmful marsian bacteria HERE.

But all that is beyond your powers of comprehension at it seems.

But you will answer some

"its possible that monkeys might fly out your butt."

or similar nonsense, you are anyway unable to argue anything like
those people crying

"MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG"

They have no soul, nothing human in themselves, just their
animal clanic feelings.

Le 03/12/11 16:39, Fred J. McCall a écrit :
jacob wrote:


Well, for a change at least bob cares, and me too. That makes
at least two. Of course we do not count, we do not have our
membership card in the NRA and worst I am not even american.


Hell, I'm unconvinced you're even mammalian.


Sure, I am not human. Since I am not "american" I can't be human.

As the indians. Just wipe them out. They have no soul, look at them,
no guns, no nothing. Just wipe them out.


AAAMERICAAA, LOOOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!

Well, I left.


We appreciate that.


Yes, people like me have no place in your place. Violence,
brutality and ignorance are your ideals. Not mine.

Instead of learning from your errors you want to repeat them,
this time in an interplanetary scale.

Luckily you are doomed, your debt sustained empire is disintegrating.
You will never send any humans to Mars McCall. The human space
program has been shut down anyway, you aren't even sending humans
to the ISS, a few Kilometers above.

You are falling down the drain, into the waste basket
of history.

Le 03/12/11 18:58, Fred J. McCall a écrit :

Why is it 'valuable'. Be specific. Why do you assume it will "give
us insight" that we cannot get from studying the plethora of life
right here?


GREAT McCall.

There are sentences that can be FRAMED for representingg the BEST
characterization of a state of mind. I think that your sentence
shows the world what your frame of mind is, and how deep
is the extent of your ignorance.

Le 03/12/11 18:53, Quadibloc a écrit :
On Dec 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:

And in a more abstract sense, figuring out creation is maybe
the most basic questions of science and religion. If the
answer is finally found, maybe those two fields can find
a common understanding, and end the age-old feud.

It would be nice to think that new scientific discoveries would so
thoroughly discredit the blind dogmatic forms of religion that lead to
blind obedience instead of humility.

However, discovering life on Mars will not take the wind out of the
sails of al-Qaeda, or even particularly impact the support for
abstinence-only sex-education programs.

John Savard

I think sex abstinence is a good thing. All people that recommend
it SHOULD FOLLOW THAT, so we get rid of them in only
one generation!

:-)

On Dec 3, 2:26*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

In other words, you don't have a clue why "people bad, robots good" is
a sensible position. You're just bleating, as usual.

Robots can be carefully sterilized, as has been the policy with past
robotic missions to Mars. People... are just crawling with bacteria.
While they will be wearing spacesuits when outside, they would still
leave germs in their ships which would crawl into the airlocks and so
on.

Nope, doesn't follow. If robots can be "carefully sterilized" then so
can environment suits, airlocks, etc. If environment suits, airlocks,
etc, cannot be adequately sterilized, then neither can robots.

people living on mars would no doubt leak a tiny amount of life to the
planet, and possibly wipe out any local life...

Then so would a robot.



robots can be carefully sterlizied to prevent contamination.

If a robot can be, so can a suit exterior and an airlock.



and all off world returning samples should be quartuned off planet so
as to prevent a disaster here.

The sky is falling! *THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!



personally i believe the universe has plentiful life. there was a
plague that spread across the world in just days before plane travel,
killed millions. it happened around the time of a comet visit

snicker

Yeah, that's about the level of your thinking - the Dark Ages.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
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FRED BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY..and the plague is belived to have been
spread by a comet

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:18:58 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote:

personally i believe the universe has plentiful life. there was a
plague that spread across the world in just days before plane travel,
killed millions. it happened around the time of a comet visit

Good Lord, Bob. That's moronic even for YOU.

Brian

On Dec 3, 7:43*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Dec 2, 9:46*pm, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:10:28 +0100, jacob navia
wrote:

Le 02/12/11 22:35, Fred J. McCall a écrit :
bob *wrote:
Now should humans EVER go to mars? Since human life and contamination
might wipe out whatever life is already there, what would happen?

Who cares? *Any life on Mars is microscopic at best. *I put people
ahead of bacteria. *It's not surprising you reverse that and side with
your own.

Sure. That would be in the best american/republican tradition.

And British, Spanish, French, Dutch, Portugese...

There weren't any people living in the far west.

Pay no attention to the centuries of population eradication east of
the Mississippi, in the Caribbean, and in South America before the
"far west' was populated. That wasn't done by Americans, so it is
ignored by idiots like Navia.

AAAMERICAAA, LOOOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!

Well, I left.

And don't come back.

its possible that *human exploration of mars should never occur, to
protect whatever life may be living there.

its possible that monkeys might fly out your butt.



this would be the perfect reason to select a aggresive robotic
program...

You realize that makes no sense at all, right? *Do you think that if
we send people they're going to sneeze on the Martians and kill them,
or what?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
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Given the Bobbert's opposition to any form of human spaceflight, his
idiocy doesn't surprise me at all. Amuse me, yes, but surprise, no
longer.