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Old November 10th 12, 02:41 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Nov 10, 8:29*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 10, 4:16*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 10, 1:18*am, Painius wrote:


On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 3:38 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. *In your opinion,
what is that source?


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind; the thief doth fear each
bush an officer."


The source is the aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


The aether is, or behaves similar to a supersolid. Think of a
bowling alley filled with a supersolid. As you roll the ball toward
the pins the bowling ball displaces the supersolid. The supersolid
displaces the bowling ball as the supersolid displaces back. This all
occurs within the confines of the bowling alley. Consider the Universe
to be a very large bowling alley where aether exists everywhere
particles of matter do not.


The aether used to be considered an absolutely stationary space. This
is what the Michelson-Morley experiment looked for. The aether is not
an absolutely stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.


In order to help conceptualize this, in a simplified view, think of
the aether as a stationary space except for the particles of matter
moving through it and displacing it.


Yes, but how is this aether/supersolid the causation of orbital
mechanics, when it's well proven that molecular mass is objectively
the cause?

Molecular diamagnetics will disable those molecular bonds of gravity,
although once sufficiently separated the stronger force of gravity at
distance seems to take hold regardless of the amount of those
molecular diamagnetic properties. *In other words, the paramagnetic
and diagrammatic items can coexist in a orbital dynamic coexistence as
long as there's sufficient distance involved, but up close there are
those magnetic forces of attraction or repulsion that simply exceed
the force of gravity.

If aether is a purely inert supersolid, as well as neither
paramagnetic nor diamagnetic, and otherwise merely a transparent
conductor or medium on behalf of accommodating photons and gravitons
would start to make sense as to a cosmic supersolid volume of mass
that's 24 times greater than molecular mass.

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There are no such things as gravitons.

Molecular mass is NOT the reason for orbital mechanics.

Galaxies orbit at rates when can NOT be explain by the mass of the
matter of the galaxies themselves.

That's the reason for the need for dark matter in the first place.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter IS gravity.
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Old November 10th 12, 07:11 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:16:53 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 10, 1:18*am, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 9, 3:38 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. *In your opinion,
what is that source?


The source is the aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

The aether is, or behaves similar to a supersolid. Think of a
bowling alley filled with a supersolid. As you roll the ball toward
the pins the bowling ball displaces the supersolid. The supersolid
displaces the bowling ball as the supersolid displaces back. This all
occurs within the confines of the bowling alley. Consider the Universe
to be a very large bowling alley where aether exists everywhere
particles of matter do not.

The aether used to be considered an absolutely stationary space. This
is what the Michelson-Morley experiment looked for. The aether is not
an absolutely stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.

In order to help conceptualize this, in a simplified view, think of
the aether as a stationary space except for the particles of matter
moving through it and displacing it.


Your bowling alley analogy works only so far as the walls, ceiling and
floor maintain the volume of the bowling alley, thus exerting the
pressure required by the displaced aether on the particles of matter.

The Universe, however, is not necessarily a walled in, closed in space
like the bowling alley. So if we perceive the Universe as an
open-on-all-sides sort of place, then there are no walls, ceiling nor
floor to exert pressure on the supersolid, which in turn exerts
pressure (gravitational) on matter. So in an open Universe, what do
you think the source of the pressure on the supersolid is?

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind; the thief doth fear each
bush an officer."
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Old November 10th 12, 07:26 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:58:15 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
wrote:

On Nov 9, 10:18*pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 9, 3:38*pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. *My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". *There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. *In your opinion,
what is that source?


Perhaps aether is the last unknown element of what makes everything
tick, and otherwise responsible for what ties everything together, as
the grand unification of gravity that could represent the final nail
in the coffin of physics.


All that is correct, except that the science of physics would not die
and will be better off when your statement is confirmed.

And yet, oc and Wolter recognized the need for a very forceful power
source to push the spatial medium, which oc and I dubbed the
sub-Planckian energy domain (SPED), into matter to cause gravitation.
So I would like Mike to give his opinion and description of what he
thinks that source might be.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"The less their ability, the more their conceit."
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Old November 10th 12, 07:36 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On 11/10/2012 1:11 PM, Painius wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:16:53 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


Your bowling alley analogy works only so far as the walls, ceiling and
floor maintain the volume of the bowling alley, thus exerting the
pressure required by the displaced aether on the particles of matter.

The Universe, however, is not necessarily a walled in, closed in space
like the bowling alley. So if we perceive the Universe as an
open-on-all-sides sort of place, then there are no walls, ceiling nor
floor to exert pressure on the supersolid, which in turn exerts
pressure (gravitational) on matter. So in an open Universe, what do
you think the source of the pressure on the supersolid is?



I'm with you on this one, Painus. MP3 is quite obviously insane.

I'd recommend that he lie down with a cool cloth on his forehead and
stay out of bowling alleys He needs to slow his roll.











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Old November 10th 12, 07:40 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On 11/10/2012 1:26 PM, Painius wrote:


All that is correct, except that the science of physics would not die
and will be better off when your statement is confirmed.

And yet, oc and Wolter recognized the need for a very forceful power
source to push the spatial medium, which oc and I dubbed the
sub-Planckian energy domain (SPED), into matter to cause gravitation.
So I would like Mike to give his opinion and description of what he
thinks that source might be.



I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that it will involve a bowling
alley. Just a shot in the dark.







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Old November 10th 12, 07:43 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Nov 10, 10:26*am, Painius wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:58:15 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth









wrote:
On Nov 9, 10:18 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 3:38 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. In your opinion,
what is that source?


Perhaps aether is the last unknown element of what makes everything
tick, and otherwise responsible for what ties everything together, as
the grand unification of gravity that could represent the final nail
in the coffin of physics.


All that is correct, except that the science of physics would not die
and will be better off when your statement is confirmed.

And yet, oc and Wolter recognized the need for a very forceful power
source to push the spatial medium, which oc and I dubbed the
sub-Planckian energy domain (SPED), into matter to cause gravitation.
So I would like Mike to give his opinion and description of what he
thinks that source might be.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"The less their ability, the more their conceit."


mpc755 isn't set up to do the complex physics proof-testing on any
scale that could demonstrate his aether form of such a clear/
transparent medium, that is 24 times more massive than the molecular
mass that we ordinary physics wizards can detect and/or perceive of.

With some additional analogy and others looking into what dark/clear
energy or that of its inert or possibly 2D quantum string mass could
be, and as to how it interacts with ordinary 3D molecular mass, would
be a good thing.
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Old November 10th 12, 11:12 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Nov 10, 1:11Ā*pm, Painius wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:16:53 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:









On Nov 10, 1:18Ā*am, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 3:38 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. Ā*In your opinion,
what is that source?


The source is the aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


The aether is, or behaves similar to a supersolid. Think of a
bowling alley filled with a supersolid. As you roll the ball toward
the pins the bowling ball displaces the supersolid. The supersolid
displaces the bowling ball as the supersolid displaces back. This all
occurs within the confines of the bowling alley. Consider the Universe
to be a very large bowling alley where aether exists everywhere
particles of matter do not.


The aether used to be considered an absolutely stationary space. This
is what the Michelson-Morley experiment looked for. The aether is not
an absolutely stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.


In order to help conceptualize this, in a simplified view, think of
the aether as a stationary space except for the particles of matter
moving through it and displacing it.


Your bowling alley analogy works only so far as the walls, ceiling and
floor maintain the volume of the bowling alley, thus exerting the
pressure required by the displaced aether on the particles of matter.

The Universe, however, is not necessarily a walled in, closed in space
like the bowling alley. Ā*So if we perceive the Universe as an
open-on-all-sides sort of place, then there are no walls, ceiling nor
floor to exert pressure on the supersolid, which in turn exerts
pressure (gravitational) on matter. Ā*So in an open Universe, what do
you think the source of the pressure on the supersolid is?

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind; the thief doth fear each
bush an officer."


I understand aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not. I
understand this to mean where particles of matter exist the aether is
displaced. If you prefer to not understand this and choose to believe
in magic particles which flow toward the Earth and magically
transition from particle to energy back to particle again then that is
your choice.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the ā€œfluidicā€ nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G Ģˆdel metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53āˆ’Ī±g,6a2 so, it is positive
if Ī±g 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval Ī±g 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark
matter is aether.

'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark
Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

"mass of the aether"

'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168

"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which
is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the
universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892

"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the
Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ā€aetherā€ because of
the presence of the background field"
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Old November 10th 12, 11:17 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Nov 10, 1:26*pm, Painius wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:58:15 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth









wrote:
On Nov 9, 10:18 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 3:38 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. In your opinion,
what is that source?


Perhaps aether is the last unknown element of what makes everything
tick, and otherwise responsible for what ties everything together, as
the grand unification of gravity that could represent the final nail
in the coffin of physics.


All that is correct, except that the science of physics would not die
and will be better off when your statement is confirmed.

And yet, oc and Wolter recognized the need for a very forceful power
source to push the spatial medium, which oc and I dubbed the
sub-Planckian energy domain (SPED), into matter to cause gravitation.
So I would like Mike to give his opinion and description of what he
thinks that source might be.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"The less their ability, the more their conceit."


The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid.

I believe aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not. This
means where particles of matter exist the aether is displaced. A
moving particle displaces the aether. The displaced aether fills-in
where the particle had been. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts
inward pressure toward the matter. Displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
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Old November 10th 12, 11:18 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Nov 10, 1:36*pm, HVAC wrote:
On 11/10/2012 1:11 PM, Painius wrote:

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:16:53 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


Your bowling alley analogy works only so far as the walls, ceiling and
floor maintain the volume of the bowling alley, thus exerting the
pressure required by the displaced aether on the particles of matter.


The Universe, however, is not necessarily a walled in, closed in space
like the bowling alley. *So if we perceive the Universe as an
open-on-all-sides sort of place, then there are no walls, ceiling nor
floor to exert pressure on the supersolid, which in turn exerts
pressure (gravitational) on matter. *So in an open Universe, what do
you think the source of the pressure on the supersolid is?


I'm with you on this one, Painus. *MP3 is quite obviously insane.

I'd recommend that he lie down with a cool cloth on his forehead and
stay out of bowling alleys *He needs to slow his roll.


Are you able to understand objects interact with a supersolid?

You are in a bowling alley filled with a supersolid. You roll the
bowling ball toward the pins.

You are able to understand the bowling ball displaces the supersolid,
correct?

You are able to understand there is no loss of energy between the
bowling ball and the supersolid because that's what supersolid means,
correct?

You are able to understand the bowling ball will roll forever through
the supersolid, correct?

The interaction of an object and a supersolid does not mean no
interaction. It means no loss of energy in the interaction. The
bowling ball requires energy to displace the supersolid. The
supersolid returns to the bowling ball the same amount of energy as
the supersolid 'displaces back'.

Q. Is the bowling ball displacing the supersolid or is the supersolid
displacing the bowling ball?
A. Both occur simultaneously with equal force.
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Old November 10th 12, 11:21 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Nov 10, 1:43Ā*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 10, 10:26Ā*am, Painius wrote:









On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:58:15 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth


wrote:
On Nov 9, 10:18 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 3:38 pm, Painius wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:06:42 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 9, 11:07 am, Painius wrote:


It seems very likely to me that space and dark matter are one and the
same.


Which means what is postulated as dark matter is aether. Which means
aether has mass. Which means aether physically occupies three
dimensional space. Which means aether is physically displaced by
matter. Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


That all sounds pretty true, if non-mainstream. My main question
would concern the *pressure* required behind what you call the
"aether". There would have to be some kind of power source that
pushes the aether into matter to cause gravitation.


Once more - you stated...


Which means displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward
pressure toward matter. Which means displaced aether pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.


What is the source of the pressure that is exerted on the displaced
aether that causes it to exert inward pressure toward matter?


Aether exists where particles of matter do not. Where particles of
matter exist the aether is displaced.


And again, just like the battery in a DC circuit exerts a pressure
that moves current through the circuit, there must be a source of the
pressure that is exerted by the displaced aether. In your opinion,
what is that source?


Perhaps aether is the last unknown element of what makes everything
tick, and otherwise responsible for what ties everything together, as
the grand unification of gravity that could represent the final nail
in the coffin of physics.


All that is correct, except that the science of physics would not die
and will be better off when your statement is confirmed.


And yet, oc and Wolter recognized the need for a very forceful power
source to push the spatial medium, which oc and I dubbed the
sub-Planckian energy domain (SPED), into matter to cause gravitation.
So I would like Mike to give his opinion and description of what he
thinks that source might be.


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"The less their ability, the more their conceit."


mpc755 isn't set up to do the complex physics proof-testing on any
scale that could demonstrate his aether form of such a clear/
transparent medium, that is 24 times more massive than the molecular
mass that we ordinary physics wizards can detect and/or perceive of.

With some additional analogy and others looking into what dark/clear
energy or that of its inert or possibly 2D quantum string mass could
be, and as to how it interacts with ordinary 3D molecular mass, would
be a good thing.


'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the ā€œfluidicā€ nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G Ģˆdel metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53āˆ’Ī±g,6a2 so, it is positive
if Ī±g 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval Ī±g 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark
matter is aether.

'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark
Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

"mass of the aether"

'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168

"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which
is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the
universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892

"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the
Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ā€aetherā€ because of
the presence of the background field"
 




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