A Space & astronomy forum. SpaceBanter.com

Go Back   Home » SpaceBanter.com forum » Astronomy and Astrophysics » Astronomy Misc
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Einstein's Special Relativity Does Not Remove Newton's Absolute Time



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old April 23rd 17, 10:26 AM posted to sci.astro
Pentcho Valev
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 8,078
Default Einstein's Special Relativity Does Not Remove Newton's Absolute Time

In 1905 Einstein deduced, from his two postulates, that "the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B":

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
Albert Einstein, ON THE ECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES, 1905: "From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B by tv^2/2c^2 (up to magnitudes of fourth and higher order), t being the time occupied in the journey from A to B."

Actually the conclusion

"The clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B"

does not follow from Einstein's 1905 postulates (the argument is invalid). The following two conclusions, in contrast, VALIDLY follow from the postulates:

Conclusion 1: The clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B, as judged from the stationary system.

Conclusion 2: The clock which has remained at B lags behind the clock moved from A to B, as judged from the moving system.

Newton's theory says that, as the two clocks meet at B, they will show the same time. Conclusions 1 contradicts this, Conclusion 2 also contradicts this, but the combination of Conclusion 1 and Conclusion 2 no longer contradicts the Newtonian prediction because this combination says nothing about the readings of the two clocks as they meet at B.

Einstein's conclusion

"The clock moved from A to B lags behind the other which has remained at B"

does contradict the Newtonian prediction but this conclusion is invalidly deduced (does not follow from the postulates).

So, if logic is obeyed, Einstein's special relativity is unable to remove Newton's absolute time.

Pentcho Valev
  #2  
Old April 23rd 17, 03:25 PM posted to sci.astro
Pentcho Valev
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 8,078
Default Einstein's Special Relativity Does Not Remove Newton's Absolute Time

Special relativity says that time SPEEDS UP for the moving observer - he discovers this as he checks stationary clocks against his own (moving) clocks.. Stationary clocks are slow, the moving observer's clocks are FAST:

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~djmorin/chap11.pdf
David Morin, Introduction to Classical Mechanics With Problems and Solutions, Chapter 11, p. 14: "Twin A stays on the earth, while twin B flies quickly to a distant star and back. [...] For the entire outward and return parts of the trip, B does observe A's clock running slow..."

Yet in 1905 Einstein deduced, fraudulently and invalidly of course, that time SLOWS DOWN for the moving observer, and nowadays Einsteinians are forced to teach SLOWING DOWN, knowing that special relativity predicts the opposite, SPEEDING UP:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ry?id=32191481
Neil deGrasse Tyson: "We have ways of moving into the future. That is to have time tick more slowly for you than others, who you return to later on. We've known that since 1905, Einstein's special theory of relativity, which gives the precise prescription for how TIME WOULD SLOW DOWN FOR YOU if you are set into motion."

http://www.jimal-khalili.com/blogs/
Jim Al-Khalili: "And, the faster you move and the longer you move at that speed, the slower your clock ticks, including your own internal biological clock, and so the slower you age - by tiny, tiny fractions of a second of course."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8lBIcHre0
Brian Cox (2:25) : "Moving clocks run slowly"

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...elativity.html
John Gribbin: "Einstein's special theory of relativity tells us how the Universe looks to an observer moving at a steady speed. Because the speed of light is the same for all such observers, moving clocks run slow..."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmnLmwBmfE
Brian Greene: "If you're moving relative to somebody else, time for you slows down."

Pentcho Valev
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Inevitable Return to Newton's Absolute Time Pentcho Valev Astronomy Misc 2 October 5th 16 09:44 AM
Einstein's Special Relativity: The Root of All Evil Pentcho Valev Astronomy Misc 2 March 13th 16 10:27 AM
FATAL ACCELERATION IN EINSTEIN'S SPECIAL RELATIVITY Pentcho Valev Astronomy Misc 3 October 29th 14 10:46 AM
FQXi AGAINST EINSTEIN'S SPECIAL RELATIVITY Pentcho Valev Astronomy Misc 11 June 11th 11 08:10 AM
Heuristics in Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity Pentcho Valev Astronomy Misc 2 December 8th 10 09:29 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 SpaceBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.