Climate principles for all planets

The relationship between planetary surface rotational points and the plane of orbital motion determines, within a spectrum, what type of climate each planet has -

http://calgary.rasc.ca/images/planet_inclinations.gif

This relationship obviates the need to appeal to distance from the Sun,planetary composition or relative distinctions between what is hot/cold and places the principles where they should be.

Were the Earth to have a 0 degree inclination then it would present Equatorial conditions throughout an orbit, if it had a maximum 90 degree inclination then it would display polar conditions for the same orbit where wild swings in surface conditions would occur from one Equinox to another or from one Solstice to its opposite. It is one of those areas where modelling and controlled speculation would highlight why the Earth has ,due to its inclination, a largely Equatorial climate.

A positive change of inclination towards 90 degrees would produce wider variations in daylight/darkness asymmetry across a greater range of latitudes while a negative inclination would generate a lesser variation than currently experienced. For instance, an 82 degree inclination (Uranus) imposed on the Earth's motions would see the Arctic circle extend down to the latitude of Ethiopia so anything above would experience periods of total daylight or total darkness across an orbital period and becoming ever more pronounced Northwards. There would be only a 16 degree difference between the Arctic and Antarctic circles making the Earth virtually uninhabitable.

Whether this is fun or research, and I don't see why it cannot be both, the facts are genuine as are the conclusions. If people are distracted by the attempt to model climate in the same way as short term weather modelling then nothing will ever be achieved.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
The relationship between planetary surface rotational points and the
plane of orbital motion determines, within a spectrum, what type of
climate each planet has -

http://calgary.rasc.ca/images/planet_inclinations.gif

This relationship obviates the need to appeal to distance from the
Sun,planetary composition or relative distinctions between what is
hot/cold and places the principles where they should be.

Were the Earth to have a 0 degree inclination then it would present
Equatorial conditions throughout an orbit, if it had a maximum 90 degree
inclination then it would display polar conditions for the same orbit
where wild swings in surface conditions would occur from one Equinox to
another or from one Solstice to its opposite. It is one of those areas
where modelling and controlled speculation would highlight why the Earth
has ,due to its inclination, a largely Equatorial climate.

A positive change of inclination towards 90 degrees would produce wider
variations in daylight/darkness asymmetry across a greater range of
latitudes while a negative inclination would generate a lesser variation
than currently experienced. For instance, an 82 degree inclination
(Uranus) imposed on the Earth's motions would see the Arctic circle
extend down to the latitude of Ethiopia so anything above would
experience periods of total daylight or total darkness across an orbital
period and becoming ever more pronounced Northwards. There would be only
a 16 degree difference between the Arctic and Antarctic circles making
the Earth virtually uninhabitable.

Whether this is fun or research, and I don't see why it cannot be both,
the facts are genuine as are the conclusions. If people are distracted by
the attempt to model climate in the same way as short term weather
modelling then nothing will ever be achieved.






Sorry! You can't call the Earth a planet since it isn't a wandering light
in the sky. Stick to your etymology.
We cal call the Earth a planet because we accept that the meaning of words
change. Bu you are stuck in the distant past.

On Sunday, 2 April 2017 00:22:23 UTC+2, Mike Collins wrote:
snip. But you are stuck in the distant past.

Which, by definition, we should call a mental hospital because they had so many silly beliefs.

Far removed from the anxiety dumped presently on humanity as 'climate research'( based on trying to make weather look like climate) are genuine climate studies which are inclusive of all planets,including ours.

At all times the polar points of any planet exist above and below the orbital plane so there is never an inclination greater than 90 degrees hence a spectrum between 0 and 90 degrees. A planet has a singular rotation as a function of its orbital motion and the degree of inclination influences so many functions such as the range and speed of daylight/darkness asymmetries across latitudes, the expected temperature fluctuations across an orbital period for each hemisphere and many more issue of greater and lesser components influencing surface conditions.

Again, simple inquiry, if the Earth had the same rotational and orbital traits but the inclination of Uranus or that of Jupiter then the surface conditions would change in accordance with the respective inclinations.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Far removed from the anxiety dumped presently on humanity as 'climate
research'( based on trying to make weather look like climate) are genuine
climate studies which are inclusive of all planets,including ours.

At all times the polar points of any planet exist above and below the
orbital plane so there is never an inclination greater than 90 degrees
hence a spectrum between 0 and 90 degrees. A planet has a singular
rotation as a function of its orbital motion and the degree of
inclination influences so many functions such as the range and speed of
daylight/darkness asymmetries across latitudes, the expected temperature
fluctuations across an orbital period for each hemisphere and many more
issue of greater and lesser components influencing surface conditions.

Again, simple inquiry, if the Earth had the same rotational and orbital
traits but the inclination of Uranus or that of Jupiter then the surface
conditions would change in accordance with the respective inclinations.





By your etymology Earth is not a planet so why are you comparing it to
wanderers in the sky. Is it possible that words change their meaning as
languages evolve?

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:54:40 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Far removed from the anxiety dumped presently on humanity as 'climate
research'( based on trying to make weather look like climate) are genuine
climate studies which are inclusive of all planets,including ours.

At all times the polar points of any planet exist above and below the
orbital plane so there is never an inclination greater than 90 degrees
hence a spectrum between 0 and 90 degrees. A planet has a singular
rotation as a function of its orbital motion and the degree of
inclination influences so many functions such as the range and speed of
daylight/darkness asymmetries across latitudes, the expected temperature
fluctuations across an orbital period for each hemisphere and many more
issue of greater and lesser components influencing surface conditions.

Again, simple inquiry, if the Earth had the same rotational and orbital
traits but the inclination of Uranus or that of Jupiter then the surface
conditions would change in accordance with the respective inclinations.





By your etymology Earth is not a planet so why are you comparing it to
wanderers in the sky. Is it possible that words change their meaning as
languages evolve?

In the not too distant future the Earth will be seen to move as Venus does around the Sun from the vantage point of Mars and 'wander' against the background stars as it swings out from behind the Sun and then back in -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...015%2Beng..jpg

From the vantage point of a telescope orbiting Venus the Earth too will be seen to 'wander' but in this instance due to the normal falling behind in view perspective as we see the outer planets presently from Earth as it overtakes them -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/011...2000_tezel.gif


Where are the great people who can extrapolate the Earth's motion from observations of the other planets or the transition of the inner planets and stars from an evening appearance to a dawn appearance ?. How can it be that the effects experienced on the surface of this amazing planet due to the motions of the Earth are ignored or even vandalized ?. In the absence of answers I continue to promote the works of the original astronomers who suffered no such tragedy as the diminution of principles which served astronomers for thousands of years.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:54:40 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Far removed from the anxiety dumped presently on humanity as 'climate
research'( based on trying to make weather look like climate) are genuine
climate studies which are inclusive of all planets,including ours.

At all times the polar points of any planet exist above and below the
orbital plane so there is never an inclination greater than 90 degrees
hence a spectrum between 0 and 90 degrees. A planet has a singular
rotation as a function of its orbital motion and the degree of
inclination influences so many functions such as the range and speed of
daylight/darkness asymmetries across latitudes, the expected temperature
fluctuations across an orbital period for each hemisphere and many more
issue of greater and lesser components influencing surface conditions.

Again, simple inquiry, if the Earth had the same rotational and orbital
traits but the inclination of Uranus or that of Jupiter then the surface
conditions would change in accordance with the respective inclinations.





By your etymology Earth is not a planet so why are you comparing it to
wanderers in the sky. Is it possible that words change their meaning as
languages evolve?

In the not too distant future the Earth will be seen to move as Venus
does around the Sun from the vantage point of Mars and 'wander' against
the background stars as it swings out from behind the Sun and then back in -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...015%2Beng..jpg

From the vantage point of a telescope orbiting Venus the Earth too will
be seen to 'wander' but in this instance due to the normal falling behind
in view perspective as we see the outer planets presently from Earth as it overtakes them -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/011...2000_tezel.gif


Where are the great people who can extrapolate the Earth's motion from
observations of the other planets or the transition of the inner planets
and stars from an evening appearance to a dawn appearance ?. How can it
be that the effects experienced on the surface of this amazing planet due
to the motions of the Earth are ignored or even vandalized ?. In the
absence of answers I continue to promote the works of the original
astronomers who suffered no such tragedy as the diminution of principles
which served astronomers for thousands of years.



This was all done centuries ago. Newton deduced gravity and showed how it
explained planetary motion. The definition of planet changed from moving
lights in the sky to its current meaning. Do your appeal to etymology shows
the limitations of your mind. Because it can take you decades to realise
what others can understand after a short period of instruction you think
everybody finds it as difficult as you. You think the blindingly obvious is
difficult. You should try and get somebody to explain astronomy to you. I
would suggest an intelligent ten year old.

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 10:25:45 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:54:40 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Far removed from the anxiety dumped presently on humanity as 'climate
research'( based on trying to make weather look like climate) are genuine
climate studies which are inclusive of all planets,including ours.

At all times the polar points of any planet exist above and below the
orbital plane so there is never an inclination greater than 90 degrees
hence a spectrum between 0 and 90 degrees. A planet has a singular
rotation as a function of its orbital motion and the degree of
inclination influences so many functions such as the range and speed of
daylight/darkness asymmetries across latitudes, the expected temperature
fluctuations across an orbital period for each hemisphere and many more
issue of greater and lesser components influencing surface conditions..

Again, simple inquiry, if the Earth had the same rotational and orbital
traits but the inclination of Uranus or that of Jupiter then the surface
conditions would change in accordance with the respective inclinations.





By your etymology Earth is not a planet so why are you comparing it to
wanderers in the sky. Is it possible that words change their meaning as
languages evolve?

In the not too distant future the Earth will be seen to move as Venus
does around the Sun from the vantage point of Mars and 'wander' against
the background stars as it swings out from behind the Sun and then back in -

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...015%2Beng..jpg

From the vantage point of a telescope orbiting Venus the Earth too will
be seen to 'wander' but in this instance due to the normal falling behind
in view perspective as we see the outer planets presently from Earth as it overtakes them -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/011...2000_tezel.gif


Where are the great people who can extrapolate the Earth's motion from
observations of the other planets or the transition of the inner planets
and stars from an evening appearance to a dawn appearance ?. How can it
be that the effects experienced on the surface of this amazing planet due
to the motions of the Earth are ignored or even vandalized ?. In the
absence of answers I continue to promote the works of the original
astronomers who suffered no such tragedy as the diminution of principles
which served astronomers for thousands of years.



This was all done centuries ago.


The advancements in this particular topic were largely done within the confines of this forum by revisiting the original term 'wanderers' and how genuine astronomers once distinguished the planets from the moon and Sun as everything moved against the stellar background.

It is said that the spiritual and the inspirational (both mean the same thing) inform the physical so that, like music, it takes nothing to divide the perspectives between the inner and outer planets in terms of retrogrades. A Google image search for Mars, Jupiter and Saturn retrogrades will produce pages of images while Venus and Mercury will generate next to nothing and for good reason.

The great English poet William Blake saw the consequences of robotic thinking within a clockwork solar system and especially its generational conveyance through schools and colleges -

"I turn my eyes to the schools and Universities of Europe
And there behold the loom of Locke, whose woof rages dire,
Wash'd by the Water-wheels of Newton: black the cloth
In heavy wreaths folds over every Nation: cruel Works
Of many Wheels I view, wheel without wheel, with cogs tyrannic
Moving by compulsion each other, not so those in Eden, which,
Wheel within Wheel, in freedom revolve in harmony and peace. "
William Blake


However sad it may be, it does not matter if nobody responds to contemporary imaging which not only highlights the remarkable judgements made by the original heliocentric astronomers but also improves on them as has been done here, the motions of the other planets and their meaning continue every single day whether people notice it or not. People can live without music and poetry but the world would be a colder place yet this is the fate suffered by astronomy by the efforts of many who reduced it to a magnification exercise within a rotating celestial sphere.