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Old April 22nd 17, 05:52 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:47:15 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 21 April 2017 20:03:27 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:13:18 -0700 (PDT), Razzmatazz
wrote:

Science deniers will turn us into a backwater:

https://www.facebook.com/neildegrass...5195888806613/


All Americans should be embarrassed that we've degenerated to the
point where it's necessary for somebody to make a video like this, to
say these things.


That fact that you have him on the video now versus say a Carl Sagan 30 years ago says a LOT about degeneration. And that ass of a fake scientist, Bill Nye.


What is a "fake scientist"?

A scientist is anybody who understands science and approaches problems
scientifically. Both Tyson and Nye are scientists, and both are
valuable science educators and popularizers.
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Old April 22nd 17, 09:04 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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They now call this 'Earth day' as if every day wasn't an opportunity to admire how this planet and its motions generate the experienced changes across a weekday or an orbit of the Sun where the orbital surface rotation joins daily rotation to create the year long cycle -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

With astronomy buried in empirical voodoo no wonder terrestrial sciences are in a poor state yet there is nothing stopping any individual from translating their experiences into wider perspectives centered on the planet's motions thereby ascending to higher reasoning or returning to experience with a more satisfying view of human experience.


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Old April 22nd 17, 03:28 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Mike Collins[_4_]
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RichA wrote:
On Friday, 21 April 2017 20:03:27 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:13:18 -0700 (PDT), Razzmatazz
wrote:

Science deniers will turn us into a backwater:

https://www.facebook.com/neildegrass...5195888806613/


All Americans should be embarrassed that we've degenerated to the
point where it's necessary for somebody to make a video like this, to
say these things.


That fact that you have him on the video now versus say a Carl Sagan 30
years ago says a LOT about degeneration. And that ass of a fake scientist, Bill Nye.


Ok then - see what Carl Sagan said on the subject of global warming.

https://youtu.be/HQ5u-l9Je0s



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Old April 22nd 17, 05:37 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Razzmatazz
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On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 5:15:35 PM UTC-5, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 21 April 2017 13:13:21 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
Science deniers will turn us into a backwater:

https://www.facebook.com/neildegrass...5195888806613/


Believing in true, proven science doesn't mean believing in every knee-jerk crackpot theory poorly-support by and evidence. Also, don't invest too much intellectual capital in a group who have a notoriously poor track-record for past predictions based on shaky science.


Engineers and scientist are some of the best people God has created. The vast majority of them want nothing but the best for all mankind.

Science and engineering has historically made America a world leader.

Unfortunately it appears too many Republicans either want to:

- profit from carbon fuels at the expense of new and advanced technologies, and/or

- turn the country into a Theocracy where science is viewed as wrong and in opposition to their religious beliefs.

Either way the GOP is heck bent on transferring scientific leadership to other countries.

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Old April 22nd 17, 09:21 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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An aptitude for self-promotion as an individual or as a group can't constitute an interest in astronomy or terrestrial sciences and I have only seen small glimpses of inspiration from contributors here as most seem to be in love with their own words or others with social/ political concerns.

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Old April 23rd 17, 01:29 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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I would be inclined to not use the future tense: "will" . . . Seems to me that science deniers have already sunk their teeth deep into the scientific community and are actively dragging it (along with the country and planet) into the backwaters.

It was good to see Bill Nye and many others standing up for science on the evening (non fake) news this evening as I simultaneously watched and listened to the linked Neil Tyson video. It somehow seemed appropriate that both were on at the same time - as if to add emphasis to the seriousness of the current situation.

Sketcher

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-6, Razzmatazz wrote:
Science deniers will turn us into a backwater:

https://www.facebook.com/neildegrass...5195888806613/

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Old April 23rd 17, 11:01 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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There is no point complaining about the complainers however it does look pitiable to see the empirical drones at sea with the rise of nationalism and all those things contrary to the conviction that the UN was going to be an ersatz governing body replacing sovereign politics. The idea that politicians can legislate for weather because a bunch of empirical modellers tried to define climate on the success of short term weather modelling looks quaint now but the forward momentum for that ideology is gone leaving behind the sour grapes of 'denial'. When the opposition have accepted the notion that weather ultimately morphs into weather then there is really no opposition but rather alternate sides of the same coin whereas genuine climate is founded on the solar system platform where all planets display an individual climate set against a set of principles and a spectrum.

I look at the dour and sour folk who attach themselves to my comments and they can post imaging but are unable to create a conceptual narrative around the imaging and never in human history has so much imaging been available to work with and each image feeding into narratives that sometimes are best left in isolation and sometimes are a component part of larger stories. Too many commentators and not enough participation in a creative and imaginative sense where physical considerations make these wonderful connections between the planet's motions or solar system/galactic structure with terrestrial sciences possible.

For the American audience, they are going to have to learn to detach themselves from a colonist mentality and stand on their own. The Europeans via theorists and mathematicians launched an assault on astronomy for centuries by overreaching in an attempt to mesh experimental sciences with celestial observations and created a clockwork solar system ensconced in the calendar framework. The answer was not relativity but rather how contemporary imaging is brought to bear on the original astronomical insights emerging from a Sun centered system and all the variations on different themes made possible by these new images and tools.

It is painful to see so many waste their life but it is unnecessary and diminishes the priceless ability to reason properly.

 




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