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July 8th 04, 04:41 PM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
"Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Dirk Van de moortel wrote: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... SR time dilation on remote objects ? Question: Can time be "SR dilated" on remote galaxies or supernovae, because of space expansion? Details are given hereafter, as well as the refusal by the moderator to post my question in sci.physics.research Marcel Luttgens Troll/Crackpot warning: http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...RLuttgens.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/Forget.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...Relations.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...SRSymbols.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../IfOnlyIf.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../ArmsGrow.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...ArmsGrow2.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...yGalilean.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/SpeedV.html Oh my goodness. I see that he is totally beyond the border, and unable to understand anything. I already suspected this, after he kept repeating this silly statement that "the two time dilations cancel each other", and this confirms it now. Thanks for providing the links! I will try to ignore him in the future. Bye, Bjoern Of course, it's simpler to follow the deranged Dirk There is nothing from *me* to follow in those links. Everything in there was written by Marcel Luttgens ;-) Dirk Vdm than to disprove logical arguments. Believing in voodoo is so much easier. Bye, Marcel Luttgens 
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#112
July 9th 04, 01:20 AM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Dear Marcel Luttgens:
"Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:Zu0Hc.12481$nc.8542@fed1read03... .... This is another problem for the BB proponents. In the beginning, there was a center, and now, the original center is everywhere. A stable eternal universe doesn't suffer from such logical inconsistencies. To say that the center is everywhere is really not true. What is true is that all points in the Universe *now* are exactly the same distance from the center. Does this correct at least one inconsistency? Where is the center? Where is the center of a balloon, Marcel? I'm not trying to be Zen, it just comes out that way. Expansion is not well described by SR, because gravity is involved. David A. Smith
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July 9th 04, 01:20 AM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Dear Marcel Luttgens:
"Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:Zu0Hc.12481$nc.8542@fed1read03... .... This is another problem for the BB proponents. In the beginning, there was a center, and now, the original center is everywhere. A stable eternal universe doesn't suffer from such logical inconsistencies. To say that the center is everywhere is really not true. What is true is that all points in the Universe *now* are exactly the same distance from the center. Does this correct at least one inconsistency? Where is the center? Where is the center of a balloon, Marcel? I'm not trying to be Zen, it just comes out that way. Expansion is not well described by SR, because gravity is involved. David A. Smith
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July 9th 04, 11:28 AM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:IxlHc.2683$ys.2114@fed1read03...
Dear Marcel Luttgens: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:Zu0Hc.12481$nc.8542@fed1read03... ... This is another problem for the BB proponents. In the beginning, there was a center, and now, the original center is everywhere. A stable eternal universe doesn't suffer from such logical inconsistencies. To say that the center is everywhere is really not true. What is true is that all points in the Universe *now* are exactly the same distance from the center. Does this correct at least one inconsistency? Where is the center? Where is the center of a balloon, Marcel? I'm not trying to be Zen, it just comes out that way. Meaning that the center is everywhere! Expansion is not well described by SR, because gravity is involved. David A. Smith Marcel Luttgens
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July 9th 04, 11:28 AM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:IxlHc.2683$ys.2114@fed1read03...
Dear Marcel Luttgens: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:Zu0Hc.12481$nc.8542@fed1read03... ... This is another problem for the BB proponents. In the beginning, there was a center, and now, the original center is everywhere. A stable eternal universe doesn't suffer from such logical inconsistencies. To say that the center is everywhere is really not true. What is true is that all points in the Universe *now* are exactly the same distance from the center. Does this correct at least one inconsistency? Where is the center? Where is the center of a balloon, Marcel? I'm not trying to be Zen, it just comes out that way. Meaning that the center is everywhere! Expansion is not well described by SR, because gravity is involved. David A. Smith Marcel Luttgens
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#116
July 9th 04, 11:52 AM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ...
Marcel Luttgens wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Dirk Van de moortel wrote: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... SR time dilation on remote objects ? Question: Can time be "SR dilated" on remote galaxies or supernovae, because of space expansion? Details are given hereafter, as well as the refusal by the moderator to post my question in sci.physics.research Marcel Luttgens Troll/Crackpot warning: http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...RLuttgens.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/Forget.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...Relations.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...SRSymbols.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../IfOnlyIf.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../ArmsGrow.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...ArmsGrow2.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...yGalilean.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/SpeedV.html Oh my goodness. I see that he is totally beyond the border, and unable to understand anything. I already suspected this, after he kept repeating this silly statement that "the two time dilations cancel each other", and this confirms it now. Thanks for providing the links! I will try to ignore him in the future. Bye, Bjoern Of course, it's simpler to follow the deranged Dirk than to disprove logical arguments. I looked at the "arguments" you made in the posts linked to above. They were not "logical", they only showed that you don't understand SR. I also looked at some of the other posts in the relevant threads and saw that you were unable to understand the corrections and explanations which lots of people provided. Those people are SRists who blindly stick to their theory. Instead of "parroting" the unhinged fumbles of the famous Dirk and getting sidetracked, you should better read and comment my original articles in http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mluttgens/ Believing in voodoo is so much easier. I don't know, since I don't believe in voodoo. You are claiming that time on SN is dilated wrt time on Earth, what's the fundamental difference with Haitians who believe in voodoo, Iow, whose beliefs are illogical? Bye, Bjoern Bye, Marcel Luttgens
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July 9th 04, 11:52 AM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ...
Marcel Luttgens wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Dirk Van de moortel wrote: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... SR time dilation on remote objects ? Question: Can time be "SR dilated" on remote galaxies or supernovae, because of space expansion? Details are given hereafter, as well as the refusal by the moderator to post my question in sci.physics.research Marcel Luttgens Troll/Crackpot warning: http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...RLuttgens.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/Forget.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...Relations.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...SRSymbols.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../IfOnlyIf.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../ArmsGrow.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...ArmsGrow2.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...yGalilean.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/SpeedV.html Oh my goodness. I see that he is totally beyond the border, and unable to understand anything. I already suspected this, after he kept repeating this silly statement that "the two time dilations cancel each other", and this confirms it now. Thanks for providing the links! I will try to ignore him in the future. Bye, Bjoern Of course, it's simpler to follow the deranged Dirk than to disprove logical arguments. I looked at the "arguments" you made in the posts linked to above. They were not "logical", they only showed that you don't understand SR. I also looked at some of the other posts in the relevant threads and saw that you were unable to understand the corrections and explanations which lots of people provided. Those people are SRists who blindly stick to their theory. Instead of "parroting" the unhinged fumbles of the famous Dirk and getting sidetracked, you should better read and comment my original articles in http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mluttgens/ Believing in voodoo is so much easier. I don't know, since I don't believe in voodoo. You are claiming that time on SN is dilated wrt time on Earth, what's the fundamental difference with Haitians who believe in voodoo, Iow, whose beliefs are illogical? Bye, Bjoern Bye, Marcel Luttgens
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#118
July 9th 04, 12:21 PM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Marcel Luttgens wrote:
Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Marcel Luttgens wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Dirk Van de moortel wrote: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... SR time dilation on remote objects ? Question: Can time be "SR dilated" on remote galaxies or supernovae, because of space expansion? Details are given hereafter, as well as the refusal by the moderator to post my question in sci.physics.research Marcel Luttgens Troll/Crackpot warning: http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...RLuttgens.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/Forget.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...Relations.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...SRSymbols.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../IfOnlyIf.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../ArmsGrow.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...ArmsGrow2.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...yGalilean.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/SpeedV.html Oh my goodness. I see that he is totally beyond the border, and unable to understand anything. I already suspected this, after he kept repeating this silly statement that "the two time dilations cancel each other", and this confirms it now. Thanks for providing the links! I will try to ignore him in the future. Bye, Bjoern Of course, it's simpler to follow the deranged Dirk than to disprove logical arguments. I looked at the "arguments" you made in the posts linked to above. They were not "logical", they only showed that you don't understand SR. I also looked at some of the other posts in the relevant threads and saw that you were unable to understand the corrections and explanations which lots of people provided. Those people are SRists who blindly stick to their theory. No, those people are simply physicists who understand SR and logic. Instead of "parroting" the unhinged fumbles of the famous Dirk and getting sidetracked, you should better read and comment my original articles in http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mluttgens/ What would better characterize your lack of understanding of SR than the errors you made on usenet, and your obvious inability to understand any of the corrections of your errors? Believing in voodoo is so much easier. I don't know, since I don't believe in voodoo. You are claiming that time on SN is dilated wrt time on Earth, No, I am not claiming that. Thanks for yet again showing that you do not understand the things which are explained to you. I am claiming that the time on SN *at the time when the light was emitted* *looks* dilated. Due to the expansion of space which happened since the emission of the light. Nothing more. what's the fundamental difference with Haitians who believe in voodoo, Iow, whose beliefs are illogical? We could discuss this when you show a semblance of actually understanding what I say, instead of attacking straw men. In other words: never. Bye, Bjoern
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#119
July 9th 04, 12:21 PM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Marcel Luttgens wrote:
Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Marcel Luttgens wrote: Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote in message ... Dirk Van de moortel wrote: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... SR time dilation on remote objects ? Question: Can time be "SR dilated" on remote galaxies or supernovae, because of space expansion? Details are given hereafter, as well as the refusal by the moderator to post my question in sci.physics.research Marcel Luttgens Troll/Crackpot warning: http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...RLuttgens.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/Forget.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...Relations.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...SRSymbols.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../IfOnlyIf.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di.../ArmsGrow.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...ArmsGrow2.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...yGalilean.html http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/di...es/SpeedV.html Oh my goodness. I see that he is totally beyond the border, and unable to understand anything. I already suspected this, after he kept repeating this silly statement that "the two time dilations cancel each other", and this confirms it now. Thanks for providing the links! I will try to ignore him in the future. Bye, Bjoern Of course, it's simpler to follow the deranged Dirk than to disprove logical arguments. I looked at the "arguments" you made in the posts linked to above. They were not "logical", they only showed that you don't understand SR. I also looked at some of the other posts in the relevant threads and saw that you were unable to understand the corrections and explanations which lots of people provided. Those people are SRists who blindly stick to their theory. No, those people are simply physicists who understand SR and logic. Instead of "parroting" the unhinged fumbles of the famous Dirk and getting sidetracked, you should better read and comment my original articles in http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mluttgens/ What would better characterize your lack of understanding of SR than the errors you made on usenet, and your obvious inability to understand any of the corrections of your errors? Believing in voodoo is so much easier. I don't know, since I don't believe in voodoo. You are claiming that time on SN is dilated wrt time on Earth, No, I am not claiming that. Thanks for yet again showing that you do not understand the things which are explained to you. I am claiming that the time on SN *at the time when the light was emitted* *looks* dilated. Due to the expansion of space which happened since the emission of the light. Nothing more. what's the fundamental difference with Haitians who believe in voodoo, Iow, whose beliefs are illogical? We could discuss this when you show a semblance of actually understanding what I say, instead of attacking straw men. In other words: never. Bye, Bjoern
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#120
July 9th 04, 03:07 PM
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SR time dilation on remote objects ?
Dear Marcel Luttgens:
"Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:IxlHc.2683$ys.2114@fed1read03... Dear Marcel Luttgens: "Marcel Luttgens" wrote in message om... "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:Zu0Hc.12481$nc.8542@fed1read03... ... This is another problem for the BB proponents. In the beginning, there was a center, and now, the original center is everywhere. A stable eternal universe doesn't suffer from such logical inconsistencies. To say that the center is everywhere is really not true. What is true is that all points in the Universe *now* are exactly the same distance from the center. Does this correct at least one inconsistency? Where is the center? Where is the center of a balloon, Marcel? I'm not trying to be Zen, it just comes out that way. Meaning that the center is everywhere! Meaning an *arbitrary* center can be formed, yes. So correctly, "A relative center can be assumed/impressed anywhere." The use of "the center is" a little too specific, because the Universe no longer has The Center anywhere in its space. David A. Smith
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