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Old May 5th 16, 03:58 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default Climate change could cause mass exodus by mid century

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:10:13 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:

If the Earth's inclination was 0° inclination or an Equatorial climate then the temperature graph for London would show a flat line across the year


Wrong as usual: the elliptical shape of the Earth's orbit means that the Earth receives 7% more energy from the Sun around Jan 4th vs. July 4th.
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Old May 5th 16, 05:13 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:58:45 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:10:13 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:

If the Earth's inclination was 0° inclination or an Equatorial climate then the temperature graph for London would show a flat line across the year


Wrong as usual: the elliptical shape of the Earth's orbit means that the Earth receives 7% more energy from the Sun around Jan 4th vs. July 4th.


Nearly impossible to verify as the people who assert that ignore the length of time a location spends in solar radiation as the main driving factor for temperatures at different latitudes either the daily fluctuations or the annual fluctuations.

You have trouble with the correlation between rotations and 24 hour days as the temperature at a location responds to the daily rotation of the planet where Midday is not the warmest despite receiving direct radiations at 12 noon and likewise the annual temperatures are not highest at polar noon or the June Solstices -

https://weather-and-climate.com/uplo...dom-london.png

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

Somehow none of you are capable of reading a temperature graph representing the planet's two distinct rotations to the central Sun much less how inclination would affect responses in the temperature fluctuations across an annual circuit.


Btw, a planet can vary its speed around the Sun while having a circular orbit as a real exoplanet demonstrates. It indicates not only electromagnetic signatures binding the planets to the Sun but also the solar system to its galactic orbital motion -

http://cdn4.sci-news.com/images/2012/10/image_683_2.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...0ryq0afjpg.jpg

Showing this to a person who imagines 1465 rotations in 1461 days as you do is a waste of my time but such are the joys of real astronomy .


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Old May 5th 16, 05:17 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default Climate change could cause mass exodus by mid century

SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 4:42:32 AM UTC-5, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:31:49 AM UTC-5, oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 9:17:44 AM UTC+1, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
Scorching temperatures brought on by climate change could leave large
swaths of the Middle East and North Africa uninhabitable by the middle
of this century, a new study predicts.


Chill out my boy, the big astronomical news is that midday and
midsummer share a common trait when it comes to temperature
fluctuations for any given location at habitable latitudes -

https://weather-and-climate.com/uplo...dom-london.png

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

The temperature graphs are such a lovable means to express that our
planet turns in two distinct ways to the Sun and how to fix both
midday and midsummer by their common feature.


In Colorado it is illegal to drive with a giraffe in the car...in
Florida it is illegal to bathe naked (in your own home)...in California
it is illegal to eat a live crow......


in England its illegal to buy fish on a Sunday .. Yet it is illegal to
sell fried fish on Sunday (although in some areas the law is not
enforced). This means that fast food of foreign origin can be sold
freely, whilst the main native fast food, fish & chips, cannot legally be sold on Sunday.


It is illegal to sell fish and chips on Sunday. The law dates back to when
there was no refrigeration. When I was much younger fish and chip shops
were always closed on Sunday. Nowadays they are all open although it's
still illegal. I can get fish and chips from my village chip shop on
Sundays but I usually buy kebabs,


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Old May 5th 16, 05:44 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 5:20:54 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 4:42:32 AM UTC-5, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:31:49 AM UTC-5, oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 9:17:44 AM UTC+1, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
Scorching temperatures brought on by climate change could leave large
swaths of the Middle East and North Africa uninhabitable by the middle
of this century, a new study predicts.


Chill out my boy, the big astronomical news is that midday and
midsummer share a common trait when it comes to temperature
fluctuations for any given location at habitable latitudes -

https://weather-and-climate.com/uplo...dom-london.png

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

The temperature graphs are such a lovable means to express that our
planet turns in two distinct ways to the Sun and how to fix both
midday and midsummer by their common feature.

In Colorado it is illegal to drive with a giraffe in the car...in
Florida it is illegal to bathe naked (in your own home)...in California
it is illegal to eat a live crow......


in England its illegal to buy fish on a Sunday .. Yet it is illegal to
sell fried fish on Sunday (although in some areas the law is not
enforced). This means that fast food of foreign origin can be sold
freely, whilst the main native fast food, fish & chips, cannot legally be sold on Sunday.


It is illegal to sell fish and chips on Sunday. The law dates back to when
there was no refrigeration. When I was much younger fish and chip shops
were always closed on Sunday. Nowadays they are all open although it's
still illegal. I can get fish and chips from my village chip shop on
Sundays but I usually buy kebabs,


You missed the point of what that dope was trying to do.

Have you figured out how Midday at 12 noon and Midsummer on June 21st share the same trends using the temperature graphs and therefore May 1st begins Summer.

Subtract daily rotation and the Earth turns once to the central Sun and parallel with the orbital plane and that is what the second graph reflects. It tells a narrative that the length of time a location spends in solar radiation is far more substantive than inclination to solar radiation -

https://weather-and-climate.com/uplo...dom-london.png

A bit of advice, you would be better served by keeping company with the inane here as you lack even the basic sense of what Rolando, dope that he is, tried to do .



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Old May 5th 16, 05:47 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, 5 May 2016 10:17:44 UTC+2, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
Scorching temperatures brought on by climate change could leave large swaths of the Middle East and North Africa uninhabitable by the middle of this century, a new study predicts.

Researchers at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and The Cyprus Institute in Nicosia crunched the numbers and found that this area, a "climate change hotspot" where days of extreme heat have doubled since 1970, could soon be plagued by weather so brutal that it triggers a "climate exodus."

On the hottest of days, temperatures in North Africa and the Middle East can reach highs of around 109 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the findings.. But that figure could soar to 114 degrees by 2050, and 122 degrees by 2100 -- extremes the researchers say could have "important consequences for human health and society."

Study lead author Jos Lelieveld, director of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and a professor at The Cyprus Institute, says the change in climate could jeopardize the very existence of the area's 500 million inhabitants.

"Prolonged heat waves and desert dust storms can render some regions uninhabitable, which will surely contribute to the pressure to migrate," Lelieveld said in a statement.


They could live underwater. Or underground. It is absolutely certain that 500 million bods moving north would unbalance the earth. Luckily by that time Putin and Trump will have had their nice war and Europe and North America will be devoid of any souls left to object to the thermal migrant influx.
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Old May 5th 16, 05:59 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:57:09 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 5:37:51 AM UTC-4, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:

Accepting established science is not political. It's just data and reason.
Denying climate science and environmentalism is entirly political as there are
only political and profit motives and no scientific basis for it.


You really need to slow down on the caffeine, dude.

You really need to slow down on your fossil fuel use too... your words say one thing, your actions say something entirely different.


"Elliptic Curve" cryptography.

The concept is that a randomly selected 3D surface is defined by a random elliptic curve equation and the public and private key pair are selected from random points on the random surface created using the random equation, kinda sorta.

Once the keys are generated, the exact equation used to generate them is tossed and impossible to repeat.

The time taken to crack a public-private key pair of a length equivalent to the lengths of more "traditional" methods of generating public/private key pairs is said to be measured in "Geological time" with the only longer measure of time being solar fuel cycles.
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Old May 5th 16, 06:03 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Thu, 5 May 2016 05:24:11 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:37:51 AM UTC-6, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:

Accepting established science is not political. It's just data and reason.


But the "established science" is regularly overturned by new thinking and
new instrumentation.


Actually, major scientific theories are rarely overturned. It's been a
long time since that's happened. Maybe never for any theory that was
robustly supported by evidence.


So what is dark matter? Dark energy? General relativity is "robustly
supported" by all local experimental evidence but is it supported at the
galactic level? Does dark matter really exist or is GR coming up short?
In fact, the concept of "spacetime" is most likely an emergent property
of quantum gravity, a very different theory.
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Old May 5th 16, 06:06 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default Climate change could cause mass exodus by mid century

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 5:59:50 PM UTC+1, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:57:09 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 5:37:51 AM UTC-4, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:

Accepting established science is not political. It's just data and reason.
Denying climate science and environmentalism is entirly political as there are
only political and profit motives and no scientific basis for it.


You really need to slow down on the caffeine, dude.

You really need to slow down on your fossil fuel use too... your words say one thing, your actions say something entirely different.


"Elliptic Curve" cryptography.

The concept is that a randomly selected 3D surface is defined by a random elliptic curve equation and the public and private key pair are selected from random points on the random surface created using the random equation, kinda sorta.

Once the keys are generated, the exact equation used to generate them is tossed and impossible to repeat.

The time taken to crack a public-private key pair of a length equivalent to the lengths of more "traditional" methods of generating public/private key pairs is said to be measured in "Geological time" with the only longer measure of time being solar fuel cycles.


Hope you feel better soon as this sometimes happens.

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Old May 5th 16, 06:08 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 5:20:54 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 4:42:32 AM UTC-5, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:31:49 AM UTC-5, oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 9:17:44 AM UTC+1, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
Scorching temperatures brought on by climate change could leave large
swaths of the Middle East and North Africa uninhabitable by the middle
of this century, a new study predicts.


Chill out my boy, the big astronomical news is that midday and
midsummer share a common trait when it comes to temperature
fluctuations for any given location at habitable latitudes -

https://weather-and-climate.com/uplo...dom-london.png

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

The temperature graphs are such a lovable means to express that our
planet turns in two distinct ways to the Sun and how to fix both
midday and midsummer by their common feature.

In Colorado it is illegal to drive with a giraffe in the car...in
Florida it is illegal to bathe naked (in your own home)...in California
it is illegal to eat a live crow......

in England its illegal to buy fish on a Sunday .. Yet it is illegal to
sell fried fish on Sunday (although in some areas the law is not
enforced). This means that fast food of foreign origin can be sold
freely, whilst the main native fast food, fish & chips, cannot legally be sold on Sunday.


It is illegal to sell fish and chips on Sunday. The law dates back to when
there was no refrigeration. When I was much younger fish and chip shops
were always closed on Sunday. Nowadays they are all open although it's
still illegal. I can get fish and chips from my village chip shop on
Sundays but I usually buy kebabs,


You missed the point of what that dope was trying to do.

Have you figured out how Midday at 12 noon and Midsummer on June 21st
share the same trends using the temperature graphs and therefore May 1st begins Summer.


You are wrong of course. The concept of summer predates any astronomy. It's
just a local name for the season of the year when it's hottest. The concept
of seasons depends on geography as well as orbital motion. There may be
dry/wet seasons or any combination of 2 to four seasons depending on local
climate. But you're speaking English and in English the summer is the
season which is hot. For convenience it's divided into four 3-monthly
seasons. You are particularly unsuited to the use of English since the
language uses position rather than inflection to aid grammar. It also
decides to use the same word for many different meanings. It's easy to find
3 meanings for almost any word.
You find it very difficult to imagine multiple meanings for words. You fix
on one meaning and then try to forget all the others. So when somebody says
"day" or "year" you have no understanding that to fix the meaning you need
to qualify the noun. Solar days and sidereal days mean different things.
But you take just one meaning and reject the others. That's why you are
alone in your erroneous beliefs. Lots of people now believe in a flat
Earth. They find the ridiculous views of the flat Earthers more logical
than yours.


Subtract daily rotation and the Earth turns once to the central Sun and
parallel with the orbital plane and that is what the second graph
reflects. It tells a narrative that the length of time a location spends
in solar radiation is far more substantive than inclination to solar radiation -

Another example of you astounding naïveté. The combination of inclination
and rotation governs the daylight hours. Use your brain.



https://weather-and-climate.com/uplo...dom-london.png

A bit of advice, you would be better served by keeping company with the
inane here as you lack even the basic sense of what Rolando, dope that he is, tried to do .

I know what he's trying to do. I just added the facts. I could have written
about the legality of shooting Scotsmen with a bow and arrow after darkness
in York (except, I think, on Sundays) but I might be confusing that with
Welshman in Chester.


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Old May 5th 16, 06:25 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thu, 5 May 2016 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Thu, 5 May 2016 05:24:11 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:37:51 AM UTC-6, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:

Accepting established science is not political. It's just data and reason.

But the "established science" is regularly overturned by new thinking and
new instrumentation.


Actually, major scientific theories are rarely overturned. It's been a
long time since that's happened. Maybe never for any theory that was
robustly supported by evidence.


So what is dark matter?


Almost certainly a type of particle. But the discovery of dark matter
didn't overturn any previous major theory- it extended existing
theory.

Dark energy?


Good question. There are several theories. None of which overturn any
previous major theory.

General relativity is "robustly
supported" by all local experimental evidence but is it supported at the
galactic level?


Yes.

Does dark matter really exist or is GR coming up short?


Beyond reasonable doubt, dark matter exists.

In fact, the concept of "spacetime" is most likely an emergent property
of quantum gravity, a very different theory.


Quantum gravity certainly hasn't displaced any existing theory. And in
fact, if it is developed, it is unlikely to.
 




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