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Old October 4th 17, 02:43 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:28:21 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust


wrote:


With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a

mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.

Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to

repair
(although like all electronics, these days that essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be

more
mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do
with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road

will
be electric.


Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't
call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house,
do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already
applies to electric trains and trams.


In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who
installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of
electronics involved.

The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown
away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists
and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic.

Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in
other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door
locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with
the same mechanical skills.
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Old October 4th 17, 04:55 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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StarDust wrote in
:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:02:09 PM UTC-7, Gutless
Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:06 PM UTC-7, Gutless
Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:25:05 PM UTC-7, StarDust
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-7, Gutless
Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:51:58 PM UTC-7,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:43:11 AM UTC-7,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:27:48 AM
UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 3:11:17 PM
UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 6:26:55 AM
UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

With electric cars, if it breaks down,
I don't think there's a mechanic at
every corner, who can fix it.

Electric cars are mechanically simpler
and therefore easier to repair (although
like all electronics, these days that
essentially means board swaps). When
there are enough electric
cars, there will be more mechanics who
can deal with them than mechanics who
know what to do with a gasoline vehicle.
In 20 years most of the cars on the road
will be electric.

Mechanically simpler, but lot of
electronics and software involved to make
the them thing running. I talk to
mechanics, even garage
owners, said- diagnostic equipment is very
expensive to buy than train employees too!
One guy said - he spend $30K for software
to locate parts nation wide! EV cars still
have some way to go!

Well, most cars these days needing anything
more than trivial repairs require the
dealer or a specialist. Your corner
mechanic who can deal with everything is
pretty much a thing of
the past.

Most corner mechanics are specialized also.
German cars, Japanese cars etc... Changing
tires, fixing breaks, anyone can do it! Even
me! I have an old BMW,

They key word there being *old*.

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Yes, old! 91' BMW , 26 years old, 160K miles,
runs like a Swiss watch! What's wrong with
that?

Cars have changed quite a lot in the last two and
a half decades. In 1991, mechanics did tend to
specialize, but any competent mechanic could
easily work on any car, if they had the right
manuals (and the manuals were mostly printed on
paper at that point). Specialized tools were
helpful, but not generally necessary. Now, you
can't even duplicate keys for all cars with the
same equipment[1], nor can you even diagnose
what's wrong without tens (or more) of thousands
of dollars worth of specialized
hardware and software - and it's different
hardware and software for different
manufacturers. It's not longer *possible* for a
mechanic to generalize, unless they have the
backing of a dealership, and dealerships don't
support multiple brands. (And most
carmakers these days won't sell that equipment to
anyone but a dealer anyway, if they can
get away with it.)


[1]Some car makers use completely different
technology. Japanese and US carmakers use "chip
keys" for everything now, keys that have a small
RFID-ish chip in the head, which forms a
necessary componenet to the ignition system. The
engine *can't* run without it. Mercedes, on the
other hand, doesn't use a radio based system,
their keys (at least, in 2000, when mine was
built) had a laser in the dashboard, that
interacted with a chip in the key, to do the same
thing. The advantage was that the ignition key
would work regardless of the battery status in
the remote. The disadvantage is
that the replacement keys cost over $300 each,
and nobody could reverse engineer them to
compete (Go to a dealership for a US or Japanese
car, and the chip key will cost you well over
$100, but if you go to your local Ace Hardware,
it'll probably be more like $30). And that
doesn't even touch on the sidewinder keys, which
require a specialized mill to duplicate. On top
of the chip programming.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with
more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

(o: When the engine computer ECU went out on my
BMW, fuel injectors wasn't firing right, bought
another one on Ebay for $80. Plug it in, it was a
15 min job, car ran good after. Some one told me,
can't do that with newer BMW's, because dealer has
to flash the new computer ECU and key security
code has to be installed too. They work together.
New computer cost $1500 + flashing and key install
another $600! LOLOLOLOLOL! Some times it's worth
to keep a good old car! (o:

I have a friend who drives a 30 year old diesel
Mercedes, and is unlikely to ever drive anything
else until it is no longer possible to repair it. It
is 100% electro-mechanical in all critical
functions. (It doesn't even require electricity to
*run* the engine, once it's started.) I see his
point.

(On the other hand, I am driving a brand new Toyota
now, because it was far more cost effective than
repairing my 17 year old Mercedes, and because I'm
not inclined to deal with a car that needs regular
reapirs, as any old car does. My seven year warranty
includes rental coverage if it's in overight, for
enough to pay for a better car than I own. Said
warranty will outlast the payments. And I get over
40 mpg on the highway. Convenience is worth the
extra expense.)

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with
more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

You right, if I would drive a lot, commute etc...
would buy a new car or a slightly used one, but I'm
not. I get insurance break, because I drive less than
5K millage!

I don't drive that much more myself. But in southern
California, it's nearly impossible to survive without a
car for whatever driving you do.

Same here in the Bay Area! Traffic is crazy!


So to me, a good
old car, no payments, fits the bill! I think, BMW's
are better cars than Mercedes!

BMV vs Mercedes is like Monty Python vs Benny Hill.
Some like one, others like the other, but you're not
allowed to like both.

Like apples and oranges! Mercedes is luxury and BMW's are
performance cars. All though, the last 10-15 years both
manufacturers make either style cars. I still miss my
1985 BMW 535i, that box looking car, with lot of trunk
and interior space.
http://img.bmwcase.com/full/f1fb4017...-bmw-e28-535i-
roy al- blue-metallic-535is.jpg

....and of course 5 speed manual, more fun!

Superchargers are fun, too, even (especially) on four
cylinder engines.

Not sure what you mean - supercharger-?
This ugly thing?
http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-co...s/2017/04/Chev
rol et-Camaro-freight-train-supercharger.jpg


In principle, yes, though this was factory installed. And fit
under the hood. That's what the "Kompressor" designation means.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Oh, I see! I've seen -Kompressor - written on the back of
Mercedes, I didn't know what means? It's like turbo charge?
miniCooper has turbocharged models!

Sort of. Both force more air into the cylinders (and thus, allow
for the combusion of more fuel, thus producing more power) than can
be done with a carburetor. The difference is that a turbocharger is
powered by hot exhaust gasses, while a supercharger is powered by a
belt or chain connected to the crankshaft of the engine. Practially
speaking, there isn't much difference in a street car. In extreme
racing, turbochargers have a slight delay before they kick in, but
are more energy efficient. Turbos are also typically designed to
only operating within a narrow range of engine speeds, usually
highway speeds, where superchargers operate at all engine speeds,
allowing for a significant power boost at low speeds - city driving
(mine had amazing power at city street speeds, enough to get out of
its own way, and it's the only car I've ever driven that's true of)
- and high speeds - passing on the highway, or just driving faster
than the little four cylinder engine (like mine had) can go.
Superchargers are usually cheaper to manufacture, but often cost
more in maintenance (and, in fact, my Mercedes dies when a head
gasket blew, and I'm certain the superchargers was a significant
factor is it only lasting 190,000 miles).

Distance racing at high speeds, like NASCAR, where even tiny
differences is dfficiency can make a big difference over a 500 mile
race, use turbos, where drag racing, where even a thousandth of a
second delay can lose you a race, use superchargers. (Formula 1,
which invovles a lot of speed changing, apparently uses a modified
turbo design.)

But like I said, on street cars, there isn't much practical
difference, except to the swaggering, dick swinging street cred of
the driver.

"Engineering Explained: The Pros And Cons Of Turbochargers Vs
Superchargers"

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/eng...ined-the-pros-
and-cons-of-turbochargers-vs-superchargers/

http://tinyurl.com/j6h8fc8

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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Old October 4th 17, 05:34 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Paul Schlyter wrote in
:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust


wrote:


With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a

mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.

Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to

repair
(although like all electronics, these days that essentially
means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there
will be

more
mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what
to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on
the road

will
be electric.


Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics?


Even the most computerized electric car is still mostly mechanical,
and even the most gasoline powered car has computerized electrical
components. Would you rather have an electrician or an auto
mechanics change the brake pads on your electric car?

You
don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in
your house, do you?


Would you call a plumber or an electrician to fix the controls on
your hot tub? Hint: An electrician will tell you to call a plumber,
because he doesn't have a clue where to order the parts.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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Old October 5th 17, 09:38 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:43:19 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:28:21 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust


wrote:


With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a

mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.

Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to

repair
(although like all electronics, these days that essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be

more
mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do
with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road

will
be electric.


Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't
call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house,
do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already
applies to electric trains and trams.


In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who
installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of
electronics involved.

The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown
away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists
and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic.

Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in
other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door
locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with
the same mechanical skills.


Certified "electricians" in Denmark offer a wide range of services.
Including IT and solar panel installations and the repair of white goods.
As well as "common" wiring of homes and businesses, of course.
No doubt the daily work of a small company of electricians is split between those with specialist disciplines, training or preferences.

Vehicle mechanics are also required to be fully trained and certified.
They will, no doubt, attend to electric cars when a dealer's guarantee runs out.
Though that time may we far off in Denmark.
Because electric car sales are on a level with luxury "supersportscars."
All thanks to crippling vehicle import duties.

There are now more public charging points, in Denmark, than annual, private, electric vehicle sales.
Remember that when the Danish Prime Minister talks about Green Issues at the UN.
He demands change from other nations.
While allowing electric car sales only to wealthy Danes. [Tesla 'S']
Denmark has its own corridors of exhaust filth along major roadways and motorways in its cities.
This is a whole new level of international, clima-diplomatic hypocrisy!

My own Japanese car is so old it can't remember its own birthday!
It also enjoys a low mileage discount from insurance but not from paying full road taxes.
I want an electric car before I die and I want it now!
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Old October 5th 17, 11:29 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 08:18:59 -0400, Davoud wrote:
Chris L Peterson:
Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to
repair (although like all electronics, these days that

essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will

be
more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know

what
to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on

the road
will be electric.


Paul Schlyter:
Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You

don't
call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your

house,
do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it

already
applies to electric trains and trams.


That's a distinction without a difference. Does the world have to be
black and white? An electric vehicle is an electromechanical

machine.
In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person

will
disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an
electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic
equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew
how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap
boards, and that was enough.


Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just
swapped for new ones?


BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or
hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical
and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes
and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts.


That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do
themselves at home.
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Old October 5th 17, 12:29 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 1:38:53 AM UTC-7, Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:43:19 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:



With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a
mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.

Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to
repair
(although like all electronics, these days that essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be
more
mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do
with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road
will
be electric.

Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't
call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house,
do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already
applies to electric trains and trams.


In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who
installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of
electronics involved.

The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown
away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists
and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic.

Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in
other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door
locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with
the same mechanical skills.


Certified "electricians" in Denmark offer a wide range of services.
Including IT and solar panel installations and the repair of white goods.
As well as "common" wiring of homes and businesses, of course.
No doubt the daily work of a small company of electricians is split between those with specialist disciplines, training or preferences.

Vehicle mechanics are also required to be fully trained and certified.
They will, no doubt, attend to electric cars when a dealer's guarantee runs out.
Though that time may we far off in Denmark.
Because electric car sales are on a level with luxury "supersportscars."
All thanks to crippling vehicle import duties.

There are now more public charging points, in Denmark, than annual, private, electric vehicle sales.
Remember that when the Danish Prime Minister talks about Green Issues at the UN.
He demands change from other nations.
While allowing electric car sales only to wealthy Danes. [Tesla 'S']
Denmark has its own corridors of exhaust filth along major roadways and motorways in its cities.
This is a whole new level of international, clima-diplomatic hypocrisy!

My own Japanese car is so old it can't remember its own birthday!
It also enjoys a low mileage discount from insurance but not from paying full road taxes.
I want an electric car before I die and I want it now!


Get the Nisan Leaf !
I've seen leasing it as low as $90/month for last year model!
gets 80 mile /charge!
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Old October 5th 17, 12:41 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-7, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 08:18:59 -0400,
Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to
repair (although like all electronics, these days that

essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will

be
more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know

what
to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on

the road
will be electric.


Paul Schlyter:
Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You

don't
call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your

house,
do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it

already
applies to electric trains and trams.


That's a distinction without a difference. Does the world have to be
black and white? An electric vehicle is an electromechanical

machine.
In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person

will
disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an
electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic
equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew
how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap
boards, and that was enough.


Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just
swapped for new ones?


BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or
hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical
and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes
and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts.


That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do
themselves at home.


I heard, car like the Prius don't have -alternator - like conventional cars have, but energy management system, which is a sealed electronic box, only the factory can repair.
Replacing it cost some $5000 if goes bad, while a new alternator swap less than $500.
Hybrid Car Electrical Problems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYpIjnBGL-E
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Old October 5th 17, 03:00 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Davoud:
In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person will
disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an
electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic
equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew
how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap
boards, and that was enough.


Paul Schlyter:
Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just
swapped for new ones?


Yes, electric motors are repaired. A Google search shows numerous
businesses in my area that will re-wind electric motor and
generator/alternator coils and replace bearings, e.g. It's an economic
question. If it's a $50 motor and readily available one might replace
it. The seller will likely want the old motor for rebuilding and
resale. Some years back I removed the generator from a farm tractor and
had it re-wound and the bearings replaced.

BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or
hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical
and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes
and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts.


That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do
themselves at home.


That would be rare in the USA, the domain of hobbyist mechanics, of
which there are relatively few, and also, frankly, the domain of the
poor who can't afford to take their car to a dealership. Replacing a
drive belt in a modern car is not a trivial task. Nor is doing a brake
job. Electrical? Forget it for a modern car. For those who live in
urban or suburban areas, and that's most of us, the homeowner's
association frowns on having a car on blocks in the driveway while it
is being repaired.

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Old October 5th 17, 04:57 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Davoud wrote in
:

Davoud:
In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same
person will disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and
repair it (possibly an electrical task). I successfully
maintained sophisticated electronic equipment for years, but
I was not an electronics technician. I knew how to operate
certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap boards, and
that was enough.


Paul Schlyter:
Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors
just swapped for new ones?


Yes, electric motors are repaired. A Google search shows
numerous businesses in my area that will re-wind electric motor
and generator/alternator coils and replace bearings, e.g. It's
an economic question. If it's a $50 motor and readily available
one might replace it. The seller will likely want the old motor
for rebuilding and resale. Some years back I removed the
generator from a farm tractor and had it re-wound and the
bearings replaced.

BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other
electric or hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell
you that mechanical and electrical faults are quite unlikely.
You'll be replacing brakes and wiper blades, starting
batteries and drive belts.


That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to
do themselves at home.


That would be rare in the USA, the domain of hobbyist mechanics,
of which there are relatively few, and also, frankly, the domain
of the poor who can't afford to take their car to a dealership.


Even brakes often involve electronics these days. My Mercedes had a
sensor that told the driver when the pads were worn enough to need
replacement, and the sensor had to be replaced with the pads. The
Toyota doesn't, but it is literally the cheapest version of that
model.

Replacing a drive belt in a modern car is not a trivial task.
Nor is doing a brake job.


Brake pads aren't a complicated job - if you have the specialized
tools. Drive belts aren't all that complicated - if you have the
service manual.

Most people would be utterly incapable of even the simplest tasks,
like an oil change (and in some places, like California, you can go
to jail for not disposing of the used oil "properly" - which is to
say, pay more to the disposal company than an oil change costs) or
even changing a fuse.

Electrical? Forget it for a modern
car. For those who live in urban or suburban areas, and that's
most of us, the homeowner's association frowns on having a car
on blocks in the driveway while it is being repaired.

In many cases, it isn't having the car up on blocks that's a
violation of the rules, so much as specifically doing your own
repairs. In Irvine, most HOAs will fine you for having your garage
door open more than 15 minutes, or having a friend's (or your own,
for that matter) beat up looking pickup in the guest parking.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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Old October 5th 17, 06:36 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:43:19 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:28:21 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust

wrote:

With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a
mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.

Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to
repair
(although like all electronics, these days that essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be
more
mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do
with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road
will
be electric.

Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't
call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house,
do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already
applies to electric trains and trams.


In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who
installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of
electronics involved.

The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown
away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists
and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic.

Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in
other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door
locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with
the same mechanical skills.


Certified "electricians" in Denmark offer a wide range of services.
Including IT and solar panel installations and the repair of white goods.
As well as "common" wiring of homes and businesses, of course.
No doubt the daily work of a small company of electricians is split
between those with specialist disciplines, training or preferences.

Vehicle mechanics are also required to be fully trained and certified.
They will, no doubt, attend to electric cars when a dealer's guarantee runs out.
Though that time may we far off in Denmark.
Because electric car sales are on a level with luxury "supersportscars."
All thanks to crippling vehicle import duties.

There are now more public charging points, in Denmark, than annual,
private, electric vehicle sales.
Remember that when the Danish Prime Minister talks about Green Issues at the UN.
He demands change from other nations.
While allowing electric car sales only to wealthy Danes. [Tesla 'S']
Denmark has its own corridors of exhaust filth along major roadways and
motorways in its cities.
This is a whole new level of international, clima-diplomatic hypocrisy!

My own Japanese car is so old it can't remember its own birthday!
It also enjoys a low mileage discount from insurance but not from paying full road taxes.
I want an electric car before I die and I want it now!


Why not a used Nissan Leaf from the UK.


 




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