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Is Elon Musk ready for the straitjacket ?
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:28:21 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust wrote: With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it. Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already applies to electric trains and trams. In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of electronics involved. The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic. Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with the same mechanical skills. |
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StarDust wrote in
: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:02:09 PM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:06 PM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:25:05 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:04:05 PM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: : On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:51:58 PM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:43:11 AM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:27:48 AM UTC-7, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 3:11:17 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 6:26:55 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote: With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it. Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Mechanically simpler, but lot of electronics and software involved to make the them thing running. I talk to mechanics, even garage owners, said- diagnostic equipment is very expensive to buy than train employees too! One guy said - he spend $30K for software to locate parts nation wide! EV cars still have some way to go! Well, most cars these days needing anything more than trivial repairs require the dealer or a specialist. Your corner mechanic who can deal with everything is pretty much a thing of the past. Most corner mechanics are specialized also. German cars, Japanese cars etc... Changing tires, fixing breaks, anyone can do it! Even me! I have an old BMW, They key word there being *old*. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. Yes, old! 91' BMW , 26 years old, 160K miles, runs like a Swiss watch! What's wrong with that? Cars have changed quite a lot in the last two and a half decades. In 1991, mechanics did tend to specialize, but any competent mechanic could easily work on any car, if they had the right manuals (and the manuals were mostly printed on paper at that point). Specialized tools were helpful, but not generally necessary. Now, you can't even duplicate keys for all cars with the same equipment[1], nor can you even diagnose what's wrong without tens (or more) of thousands of dollars worth of specialized hardware and software - and it's different hardware and software for different manufacturers. It's not longer *possible* for a mechanic to generalize, unless they have the backing of a dealership, and dealerships don't support multiple brands. (And most carmakers these days won't sell that equipment to anyone but a dealer anyway, if they can get away with it.) [1]Some car makers use completely different technology. Japanese and US carmakers use "chip keys" for everything now, keys that have a small RFID-ish chip in the head, which forms a necessary componenet to the ignition system. The engine *can't* run without it. Mercedes, on the other hand, doesn't use a radio based system, their keys (at least, in 2000, when mine was built) had a laser in the dashboard, that interacted with a chip in the key, to do the same thing. The advantage was that the ignition key would work regardless of the battery status in the remote. The disadvantage is that the replacement keys cost over $300 each, and nobody could reverse engineer them to compete (Go to a dealership for a US or Japanese car, and the chip key will cost you well over $100, but if you go to your local Ace Hardware, it'll probably be more like $30). And that doesn't even touch on the sidewinder keys, which require a specialized mill to duplicate. On top of the chip programming. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. (o: When the engine computer ECU went out on my BMW, fuel injectors wasn't firing right, bought another one on Ebay for $80. Plug it in, it was a 15 min job, car ran good after. Some one told me, can't do that with newer BMW's, because dealer has to flash the new computer ECU and key security code has to be installed too. They work together. New computer cost $1500 + flashing and key install another $600! LOLOLOLOLOL! Some times it's worth to keep a good old car! (o: I have a friend who drives a 30 year old diesel Mercedes, and is unlikely to ever drive anything else until it is no longer possible to repair it. It is 100% electro-mechanical in all critical functions. (It doesn't even require electricity to *run* the engine, once it's started.) I see his point. (On the other hand, I am driving a brand new Toyota now, because it was far more cost effective than repairing my 17 year old Mercedes, and because I'm not inclined to deal with a car that needs regular reapirs, as any old car does. My seven year warranty includes rental coverage if it's in overight, for enough to pay for a better car than I own. Said warranty will outlast the payments. And I get over 40 mpg on the highway. Convenience is worth the extra expense.) -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. You right, if I would drive a lot, commute etc... would buy a new car or a slightly used one, but I'm not. I get insurance break, because I drive less than 5K millage! I don't drive that much more myself. But in southern California, it's nearly impossible to survive without a car for whatever driving you do. Same here in the Bay Area! Traffic is crazy! So to me, a good old car, no payments, fits the bill! I think, BMW's are better cars than Mercedes! BMV vs Mercedes is like Monty Python vs Benny Hill. Some like one, others like the other, but you're not allowed to like both. Like apples and oranges! Mercedes is luxury and BMW's are performance cars. All though, the last 10-15 years both manufacturers make either style cars. I still miss my 1985 BMW 535i, that box looking car, with lot of trunk and interior space. http://img.bmwcase.com/full/f1fb4017...-bmw-e28-535i- roy al- blue-metallic-535is.jpg ....and of course 5 speed manual, more fun! Superchargers are fun, too, even (especially) on four cylinder engines. Not sure what you mean - supercharger-? This ugly thing? http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-co...s/2017/04/Chev rol et-Camaro-freight-train-supercharger.jpg In principle, yes, though this was factory installed. And fit under the hood. That's what the "Kompressor" designation means. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. Oh, I see! I've seen -Kompressor - written on the back of Mercedes, I didn't know what means? It's like turbo charge? miniCooper has turbocharged models! Sort of. Both force more air into the cylinders (and thus, allow for the combusion of more fuel, thus producing more power) than can be done with a carburetor. The difference is that a turbocharger is powered by hot exhaust gasses, while a supercharger is powered by a belt or chain connected to the crankshaft of the engine. Practially speaking, there isn't much difference in a street car. In extreme racing, turbochargers have a slight delay before they kick in, but are more energy efficient. Turbos are also typically designed to only operating within a narrow range of engine speeds, usually highway speeds, where superchargers operate at all engine speeds, allowing for a significant power boost at low speeds - city driving (mine had amazing power at city street speeds, enough to get out of its own way, and it's the only car I've ever driven that's true of) - and high speeds - passing on the highway, or just driving faster than the little four cylinder engine (like mine had) can go. Superchargers are usually cheaper to manufacture, but often cost more in maintenance (and, in fact, my Mercedes dies when a head gasket blew, and I'm certain the superchargers was a significant factor is it only lasting 190,000 miles). Distance racing at high speeds, like NASCAR, where even tiny differences is dfficiency can make a big difference over a 500 mile race, use turbos, where drag racing, where even a thousandth of a second delay can lose you a race, use superchargers. (Formula 1, which invovles a lot of speed changing, apparently uses a modified turbo design.) But like I said, on street cars, there isn't much practical difference, except to the swaggering, dick swinging street cred of the driver. "Engineering Explained: The Pros And Cons Of Turbochargers Vs Superchargers" https://www.carthrottle.com/post/eng...ined-the-pros- and-cons-of-turbochargers-vs-superchargers/ http://tinyurl.com/j6h8fc8 -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Paul Schlyter wrote in
: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust wrote: With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it. Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? Even the most computerized electric car is still mostly mechanical, and even the most gasoline powered car has computerized electrical components. Would you rather have an electrician or an auto mechanics change the brake pads on your electric car? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? Would you call a plumber or an electrician to fix the controls on your hot tub? Hint: An electrician will tell you to call a plumber, because he doesn't have a clue where to order the parts. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:43:19 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:28:21 +0200, Paul Schlyter wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust wrote: With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it. Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already applies to electric trains and trams. In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of electronics involved. The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic. Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with the same mechanical skills. Certified "electricians" in Denmark offer a wide range of services. Including IT and solar panel installations and the repair of white goods. As well as "common" wiring of homes and businesses, of course. No doubt the daily work of a small company of electricians is split between those with specialist disciplines, training or preferences. Vehicle mechanics are also required to be fully trained and certified. They will, no doubt, attend to electric cars when a dealer's guarantee runs out. Though that time may we far off in Denmark. Because electric car sales are on a level with luxury "supersportscars." All thanks to crippling vehicle import duties. There are now more public charging points, in Denmark, than annual, private, electric vehicle sales. Remember that when the Danish Prime Minister talks about Green Issues at the UN. He demands change from other nations. While allowing electric car sales only to wealthy Danes. [Tesla 'S'] Denmark has its own corridors of exhaust filth along major roadways and motorways in its cities. This is a whole new level of international, clima-diplomatic hypocrisy! My own Japanese car is so old it can't remember its own birthday! It also enjoys a low mileage discount from insurance but not from paying full road taxes. I want an electric car before I die and I want it now! |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 08:18:59 -0400, Davoud wrote:
Chris L Peterson: Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Paul Schlyter: Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already applies to electric trains and trams. That's a distinction without a difference. Does the world have to be black and white? An electric vehicle is an electromechanical machine. In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person will disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap boards, and that was enough. Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just swapped for new ones? BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts. That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do themselves at home. |
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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 1:38:53 AM UTC-7, Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:43:19 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote: With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it. Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already applies to electric trains and trams. In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of electronics involved. The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic. Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with the same mechanical skills. Certified "electricians" in Denmark offer a wide range of services. Including IT and solar panel installations and the repair of white goods. As well as "common" wiring of homes and businesses, of course. No doubt the daily work of a small company of electricians is split between those with specialist disciplines, training or preferences. Vehicle mechanics are also required to be fully trained and certified. They will, no doubt, attend to electric cars when a dealer's guarantee runs out. Though that time may we far off in Denmark. Because electric car sales are on a level with luxury "supersportscars." All thanks to crippling vehicle import duties. There are now more public charging points, in Denmark, than annual, private, electric vehicle sales. Remember that when the Danish Prime Minister talks about Green Issues at the UN. He demands change from other nations. While allowing electric car sales only to wealthy Danes. [Tesla 'S'] Denmark has its own corridors of exhaust filth along major roadways and motorways in its cities. This is a whole new level of international, clima-diplomatic hypocrisy! My own Japanese car is so old it can't remember its own birthday! It also enjoys a low mileage discount from insurance but not from paying full road taxes. I want an electric car before I die and I want it now! Get the Nisan Leaf ! I've seen leasing it as low as $90/month for last year model! gets 80 mile /charge! |
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On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-7, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 08:18:59 -0400, Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Paul Schlyter: Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already applies to electric trains and trams. That's a distinction without a difference. Does the world have to be black and white? An electric vehicle is an electromechanical machine. In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person will disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap boards, and that was enough. Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just swapped for new ones? BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts. That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do themselves at home. I heard, car like the Prius don't have -alternator - like conventional cars have, but energy management system, which is a sealed electronic box, only the factory can repair. Replacing it cost some $5000 if goes bad, while a new alternator swap less than $500. Hybrid Car Electrical Problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYpIjnBGL-E |
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Davoud:
In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person will disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap boards, and that was enough. Paul Schlyter: Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just swapped for new ones? Yes, electric motors are repaired. A Google search shows numerous businesses in my area that will re-wind electric motor and generator/alternator coils and replace bearings, e.g. It's an economic question. If it's a $50 motor and readily available one might replace it. The seller will likely want the old motor for rebuilding and resale. Some years back I removed the generator from a farm tractor and had it re-wound and the bearings replaced. BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts. That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do themselves at home. That would be rare in the USA, the domain of hobbyist mechanics, of which there are relatively few, and also, frankly, the domain of the poor who can't afford to take their car to a dealership. Replacing a drive belt in a modern car is not a trivial task. Nor is doing a brake job. Electrical? Forget it for a modern car. For those who live in urban or suburban areas, and that's most of us, the homeowner's association frowns on having a car on blocks in the driveway while it is being repaired. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Davoud wrote in
: Davoud: In the event of failure of an electric car motor the same person will disassemble the motor (mechanical task) and repair it (possibly an electrical task). I successfully maintained sophisticated electronic equipment for years, but I was not an electronics technician. I knew how to operate certain diagnostic devices and I knew how to swap boards, and that was enough. Paul Schlyter: Are electric motors really repaired? Aren't defective motors just swapped for new ones? Yes, electric motors are repaired. A Google search shows numerous businesses in my area that will re-wind electric motor and generator/alternator coils and replace bearings, e.g. It's an economic question. If it's a $50 motor and readily available one might replace it. The seller will likely want the old motor for rebuilding and resale. Some years back I removed the generator from a farm tractor and had it re-wound and the bearings replaced. BTW, practically anyone who has owned a Prius or other electric or hybrid vehicle for 11+ years as I have will tell you that mechanical and electrical faults are quite unlikely. You'll be replacing brakes and wiper blades, starting batteries and drive belts. That's the kind of repairs which many people would be able to do themselves at home. That would be rare in the USA, the domain of hobbyist mechanics, of which there are relatively few, and also, frankly, the domain of the poor who can't afford to take their car to a dealership. Even brakes often involve electronics these days. My Mercedes had a sensor that told the driver when the pads were worn enough to need replacement, and the sensor had to be replaced with the pads. The Toyota doesn't, but it is literally the cheapest version of that model. Replacing a drive belt in a modern car is not a trivial task. Nor is doing a brake job. Brake pads aren't a complicated job - if you have the specialized tools. Drive belts aren't all that complicated - if you have the service manual. Most people would be utterly incapable of even the simplest tasks, like an oil change (and in some places, like California, you can go to jail for not disposing of the used oil "properly" - which is to say, pay more to the disposal company than an oil change costs) or even changing a fuse. Electrical? Forget it for a modern car. For those who live in urban or suburban areas, and that's most of us, the homeowner's association frowns on having a car on blocks in the driveway while it is being repaired. In many cases, it isn't having the car up on blocks that's a violation of the rules, so much as specifically doing your own repairs. In Irvine, most HOAs will fine you for having your garage door open more than 15 minutes, or having a friend's (or your own, for that matter) beat up looking pickup in the guest parking. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:43:19 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:28:21 +0200, Paul Schlyter wrote: On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 07:26:53 -0600, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust wrote: With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it. Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair (although like all electronics, these days that essentially means board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will be electric. Wouldn't that require electricians rather than mechanics? You don't call a plumber to fix a problem with the electricity in your house, do you? The same ought to apply to electric cars, just as it already applies to electric trains and trams. In conventional usage, "electrician" typically refers to a person who installs or maintains wiring. There's not much in the way of electronics involved. The complex electronics found in electric cars will either be thrown away and swapped out when it fails, or will be repaired by specialists and resold. It won't be repaired by your mechanic. Electric car repairs will mostly involve the same systems found in other types of cars- bearings and brakes and shock absorbers and door locks. Things that don't look much different, and can be fixed with the same mechanical skills. Certified "electricians" in Denmark offer a wide range of services. Including IT and solar panel installations and the repair of white goods. As well as "common" wiring of homes and businesses, of course. No doubt the daily work of a small company of electricians is split between those with specialist disciplines, training or preferences. Vehicle mechanics are also required to be fully trained and certified. They will, no doubt, attend to electric cars when a dealer's guarantee runs out. Though that time may we far off in Denmark. Because electric car sales are on a level with luxury "supersportscars." All thanks to crippling vehicle import duties. There are now more public charging points, in Denmark, than annual, private, electric vehicle sales. Remember that when the Danish Prime Minister talks about Green Issues at the UN. He demands change from other nations. While allowing electric car sales only to wealthy Danes. [Tesla 'S'] Denmark has its own corridors of exhaust filth along major roadways and motorways in its cities. This is a whole new level of international, clima-diplomatic hypocrisy! My own Japanese car is so old it can't remember its own birthday! It also enjoys a low mileage discount from insurance but not from paying full road taxes. I want an electric car before I die and I want it now! Why not a used Nissan Leaf from the UK. |
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