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Old January 29th 09, 01:18 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Albert Einstein Quotes

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/einstein.htm

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to
know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not
lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith,
but through striving after rational knowledge.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes
convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a
spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we
with our modest powers must feel humble.
The scientists' religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous
amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence
of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic
thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant
reflection.
There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is
only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order
lying behind the appearance.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a
faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant
and has forgotten the gift.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is
the source of all true art and science.
We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of
course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
God does not play dice with the universe.
God is subtle but he is not malicious.
A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison,
restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by
widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and
the whole nature in its beauty.
Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for
survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
diet.
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as
meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for
life.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding.
Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books---a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he
contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous
structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a
little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend
only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a
feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has
nothing to do with mysticism.
The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.
Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom
this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and
lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is
impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest
wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are
intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ...
that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and
in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to
denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.
True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all
one's goodness and righteousness.
Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and
ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and
fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations
and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to
me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in
the social life of man.

http://www.gmau.org/ThinkingCaps/tcap29.htm

Stephen Hawking

(A Brief History of Time, from the Big Bang to Black Holes), perhaps
the world's most brilliant astrophysist in discussing the Big Bang
theory stated, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe
should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who
intended to create beings like us."


Johannes Kepler - Discoverer of the 3 Laws of Planetary Motion




Johannes Kepler lived from 1571-1630. He was a brilliant German
astronomer who made many incredible discoveries. He discovered the 3
laws of Planetary Motion which are still named after him. He also
determined that the tides were caused by the moon and that parallax
can determine star distances.

He literally believed that his scientific pursuits were a mission from
God. In his book, the Harmonies of the World, he wrote the following
conclusion in prayer to God:

“…I give thanks to thee, O Lord Creator, who has delighted me with Thy
makings and in the works of thy hands have I found joy. I have used
the mental talents you have given me, and I have now completed the
work to which you have called me. I have revealed the glory of your
works to those who will read my explanations, at least that part of
your infinite riches which my limited mind could grasp…finally, allow
that these demonstrations give way to Thy glory and the salvation of
souls and nowhere be an obstacle to that.”


Sir Isaac Newton - Discover of the Laws of Gravity and Motion



Sir Isaac Newton is one of the most famous scientists of all time. He
was strongly motivated by his Biblical beliefs. In fact, he felt he
was personally involved in fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 12:4
“Many shall go to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” History
shows that Newton actually wrote more about theology than he did about
science.

He was a co-inventor of calculus, the discoverer of the law of
universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. He also invented
the reflecting telescope and is the author of the most important book
of the scientific revolution (the Principia Mathematica).

Newton considered the Lord Jesus Christ the Savior of the world, and
also trusted and believed in miracles as expressed in the Bible. He
wrote strong papers refuting atheism and defending creation and the
Bible. In Newton’s own words, “I have a fundamental belief in the
Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study
the Bible daily.”

In explanation to the many incredible discoveries and advancements
that were made by Newton during the course of his career, Newton had
this to say, “All my discoveries have been made in an answer to
prayer.”

http://4thdayalliance.com/articles/g...tronomers.html



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Stephen Hawking

(A Brief History of Time, from the Big Bang to Black Holes), perhaps
the world's most brilliant astrophysist in discussing the Big Bang
theory stated, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe
should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who
intended to create beings like us."


*************************
Looks like even the most brilliant of people can have a bad-brain-day.

Hagar the Horrible


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On Jan 28, 4:18*pm, "Noah's Dove" wrote:
Albert Einstein Quotes

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/einstein.htm

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to
know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not
lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith,
but through striving after rational knowledge.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes
convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a
spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we
with our modest powers must feel humble.
The scientists' religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous
amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence
of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic
thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant
reflection.
There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is
only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order
lying behind the appearance.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a
faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant
and has forgotten the gift.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is
the source of all true art and science.
We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of
course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
God does not play dice with the universe.



My favorate quote from Einstein!


God is subtle but he is not malicious.
A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison,
restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by
widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and
the whole nature in its beauty.
Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for
survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
diet.
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as
meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for
life.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding.
Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books---a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he
contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous
structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a
little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend
only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a
feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has
nothing to do with mysticism.
The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.
Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom
this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and
lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is
impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest
wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are
intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ...
that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and
in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to
denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.
True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all
one's goodness and righteousness.
Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and
ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and
fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations
and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to
me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in
the social life of man.

* *http://www.gmau.org/ThinkingCaps/tcap29.htm

*Stephen Hawking

(A Brief History of Time, from the Big Bang to Black Holes), perhaps
the world's most brilliant astrophysist in discussing the Big Bang
theory stated, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe
should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who
intended to create beings like us."

Johannes Kepler - Discoverer of the 3 Laws of Planetary Motion

Johannes Kepler lived from 1571-1630. He was a brilliant German
astronomer who made many incredible discoveries. He discovered the 3
laws of Planetary Motion which are still named after him. He also
determined that the tides were caused by the moon and that parallax
can determine star distances.

He literally believed that his scientific pursuits were a mission from
God. In his book, the Harmonies of the World, he wrote the following
conclusion in prayer to God:

“…I give thanks to thee, O Lord Creator, who has delighted me with Thy
makings and in the works of thy hands have I found joy. I have used
the mental talents you have given me, and I have now completed the
work to which you have called me. I have revealed the glory of your
works to those who will read my explanations, at least that part of
your infinite riches which my limited mind could grasp…finally, allow
that these demonstrations give way to Thy glory and the salvation of
souls and nowhere be an obstacle to that.”



He also was an astrologer, which many churches would frown on.


Sir Isaac Newton - Discover of the Laws of Gravity and Motion

Sir Isaac Newton is one of the most famous scientists of all time. He
was strongly motivated by his Biblical beliefs. In fact, he felt he
was personally involved in fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 12:4
“Many shall go to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” History
shows that Newton actually wrote more about theology than he did about
science.

He was a co-inventor of calculus, the discoverer of the law of
universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. He also invented
the reflecting telescope and is the author of the most important book
of the scientific revolution (the Principia Mathematica).

Newton considered the Lord Jesus Christ the Savior of the world, and
also trusted and believed in miracles as expressed in the Bible. He
wrote strong papers refuting atheism and defending creation and the
Bible. In Newton’s own words, “I have a fundamental belief in the
Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study
the Bible daily.”

In explanation to the many incredible discoveries and advancements
that were made by Newton during the course of his career, Newton had
this to say, “All my discoveries have been made in an answer to
prayer.”

http://4thdayalliance.com/articles/g...l_astronomers/...



Did you know that Newton didn't believe in the Trinity? A shocking
heresy for a professor at "Trinity College" at Oxford. He avoided
being being ordained into the priesthood, a custom for leading
professors at the time, because of this. But he did spend a great
deal of time trying to decipher the "Bible Code"! The date he
calculated for doomsday was in 2060! But just like Newton, he only
mentioned it in an obscure letter to a friend, which didn't see the
light of day for 300 years!

Double-A

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Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
by Rich Deem

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html

Introduction

Does science lead us down a road that ends in the naturalistic
explanation of everything we see? In the nineteenth century, it
certainly looked as though science was going in that direction. The
"God of the gaps" was finding himself in a narrower and narrower
niche. However, 20th century and now 21st century science is leading
us back down the road of design - not from a lack of scientific
explanation, but from scientific explanation that requires an appeal
to the extremely unlikely - something that science does not deal well
with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many
scientists now believe in God. According to a recent article:

"I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the
journal Nature. It revealed that 40% of American physicists,
biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some
metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in
our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob."(1)

The degree to which the constants of physics must match a precise
criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded
that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it.
Here is what they say:

The quotes

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)

Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful
evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as
though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the
Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". (4)

Paul Davies: "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of
exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". (5)

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)

George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)

Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)

Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)

Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)

Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.

Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)

Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)

Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)

Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)




Antony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and
debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty
years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously
powerful argument to design." (26)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "From the
perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a
mere religion, but an experimentally testable science." (27)


Related Pages
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? - Antony Flew Renounces Atheism
Book Review: There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist
Changed His Mind by Antony Flew
Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
The Incredible Design of the Earth and Our Solar System

References
Jim Holt. 1997. Science Resurrects God. The Wall Street Journal
(December 24, 1997), Dow Jones & Co., Inc.
Hoyle, F. 1982. The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual
Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16.
Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments.
The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York,
Cambridge University Press, p. 30.
Davies, P. 1988. The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's
Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster,
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Davies, P. 1984. Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
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Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers
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On Jan 29, 1:01*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:18*pm, "Noah's Dove" wrote:



Albert Einstein Quotes


http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/einstein.htm


I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to
know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not
lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith,
but through striving after rational knowledge.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes
convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a
spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we
with our modest powers must feel humble.
The scientists' religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous
amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence
of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic
thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant
reflection.
There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is
only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order
lying behind the appearance.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a
faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant
and has forgotten the gift.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is
the source of all true art and science.
We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of
course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
God does not play dice with the universe.


My favorate quote from Einstein!



God is subtle but he is not malicious.
A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison,
restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by
widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and
the whole nature in its beauty.
Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for
survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
diet.
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as
meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for
life.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding.
Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books---a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he
contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous
structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a
little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend
only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a
feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has
nothing to do with mysticism.
The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.
Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom
this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and
lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is
impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest
wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are
intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ...
that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and
in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to
denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.
True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all
one's goodness and righteousness.
Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and
ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and
fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations
and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to
me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in
the social life of man.


* *http://www.gmau.org/ThinkingCaps/tcap29.htm


*Stephen Hawking


(A Brief History of Time, from the Big Bang to Black Holes), perhaps
the world's most brilliant astrophysist in discussing the Big Bang
theory stated, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe
should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who
intended to create beings like us."


Johannes Kepler - Discoverer of the 3 Laws of Planetary Motion


Johannes Kepler lived from 1571-1630. He was a brilliant German
astronomer who made many incredible discoveries. He discovered the 3
laws of Planetary Motion which are still named after him. He also
determined that the tides were caused by the moon and that parallax
can determine star distances.


He literally believed that his scientific pursuits were a mission from
God. In his book, the Harmonies of the World, he wrote the following
conclusion in prayer to God:


“…I give thanks to thee, O Lord Creator, who has delighted me with Thy
makings and in the works of thy hands have I found joy. I have used
the mental talents you have given me, and I have now completed the
work to which you have called me. I have revealed the glory of your
works to those who will read my explanations, at least that part of
your infinite riches which my limited mind could grasp…finally, allow
that these demonstrations give way to Thy glory and the salvation of
souls and nowhere be an obstacle to that.”


He also was an astrologer, which many churches would frown on.



Sir Isaac Newton - Discover of the Laws of Gravity and Motion


Sir Isaac Newton is one of the most famous scientists of all time. He
was strongly motivated by his Biblical beliefs. In fact, he felt he
was personally involved in fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 12:4
“Many shall go to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” History
shows that Newton actually wrote more about theology than he did about
science.


He was a co-inventor of calculus, the discoverer of the law of
universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. He also invented
the reflecting telescope and is the author of the most important book
of the scientific revolution (the Principia Mathematica).


Newton considered the Lord Jesus Christ the Savior of the world, and
also trusted and believed in miracles as expressed in the Bible. He
wrote strong papers refuting atheism and defending creation and the
Bible. In Newton’s own words, “I have a fundamental belief in the
Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study
the Bible daily.”


In explanation to the many incredible discoveries and advancements
that were made by Newton during the course of his career, Newton had
this to say, “All my discoveries have been made in an answer to
prayer.”


http://4thdayalliance.com/articles/g...l_astronomers/...


Did you know that Newton didn't believe in the Trinity? *A shocking
heresy for a professor at "Trinity College" *at Oxford. *He avoided
being being ordained into the priesthood, a custom for leading
professors at the time, because of this. *But he did spend a great
deal of time trying to decipher the "Bible Code"! *The date he
calculated for doomsday was in 2060! *But just like Newton, he only
mentioned it in an obscure letter to a friend, which didn't see the
light of day for 300 years!

Double-A


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Default Some Thoughts and Quotes about God from famous Scientist and Astronomers*

TOTAL BULL****! They're ALL WRONG!

They aren't called RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS for nothing!

Saul Levy


On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:39:10 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"
wrote:

Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
by Rich Deem

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html

Introduction

Does science lead us down a road that ends in the naturalistic
explanation of everything we see? In the nineteenth century, it
certainly looked as though science was going in that direction. The
"God of the gaps" was finding himself in a narrower and narrower
niche. However, 20th century and now 21st century science is leading
us back down the road of design - not from a lack of scientific
explanation, but from scientific explanation that requires an appeal
to the extremely unlikely - something that science does not deal well
with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many
scientists now believe in God. According to a recent article:

"I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the
journal Nature. It revealed that 40% of American physicists,
biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some
metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in
our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob."(1)

The degree to which the constants of physics must match a precise
criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded
that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it.
Here is what they say:

The quotes

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)

Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful
evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as
though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the
Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". (4)

Paul Davies: "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of
exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". (5)

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)

George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)

Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)

Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)

Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)

Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.

Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)

Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)

Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)

Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)




Antony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and
debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty
years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously
powerful argument to design." (26)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "From the
perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a
mere religion, but an experimentally testable science." (27)


Related Pages
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? - Antony Flew Renounces Atheism
Book Review: There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist
Changed His Mind by Antony Flew
Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
The Incredible Design of the Earth and Our Solar System

References
Jim Holt. 1997. Science Resurrects God. The Wall Street Journal
(December 24, 1997), Dow Jones & Co., Inc.
Hoyle, F. 1982. The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual
Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16.
Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments.
The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York,
Cambridge University Press, p. 30.
Davies, P. 1988. The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's
Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster,
p.203.
Davies, P. 1984. Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
Nature. (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1984), p. 243.
Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers
Quest. New York Times, p. B9.
Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications,
p. 200.
Greenstein, G. 1988. The Symbiotic Universe. New York: William Morrow,
p.27.
Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications,
p. 233.
Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La
Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 83.
Penrose, R. 1992. A Brief History of Time (movie). Burbank, CA,
Paramount Pictures, Inc.
Casti, J.L. 1989. Paradigms Lost. New York, Avon Books, p.482-483.
Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La
Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 52.
Jastrow, R. 1978. God and the Astronomers. New York, W.W. Norton, p.
116.
Hawking, S. 1988. A Brief History of Time. p. 175.
Tipler, F.J. 1994. The Physics Of Immortality. New York, Doubleday,
Preface.
Gannes, S. October 13, 1986. Fortune. p. 57
Harrison, E. 1985. Masks of the Universe. New York, Collier Books,
Macmillan, pp. 252, 263.
Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications,
p. 166-167.
Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications,
p. 223.
Zehavi, I, and A. Dekel. 1999. Evidence for a positive cosmological
constant from flows of galaxies and distant supernovae Nature 401:
252-254.
Margenau, H. and R. A. Varghese, eds. Cosmos, Bios, Theos: Scientists
Reflect on Science, God, and the Origins of the Universe, Life, and
Homo Sapiens (Open Court Pub. Co., La Salle, IL, 1992).
Sheler, J. L. and J.M. Schrof, "The Creation", U.S. News & World
Report (December 23, 1991):56-64.
McIver, T. 1986. Ancient Tales and Space-Age Myths of Creationist
Evangelism. The Skeptical Inquirer 10:258-276.
Mullen, L. 2001. The Three Domains of Life from SpaceDaily.com
Atheist Becomes Theist: Exclusive Interview with Former Atheist Antony
Flew at Biola University (PDF version

).
Tipler, F.J. 2007. The Physics Of Christianity. New York, Doubleday.

On Jan 29, 1:01*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:18*pm, "Noah's Dove" wrote:



Albert Einstein Quotes


http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/einstein.htm


I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this
or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to
know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not
lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith,
but through striving after rational knowledge.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes
convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a
spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we
with our modest powers must feel humble.
The scientists' religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous
amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence
of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic
thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant
reflection.
There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is
only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order
lying behind the appearance.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a
faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant
and has forgotten the gift.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is
the source of all true art and science.
We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of
course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
God does not play dice with the universe.


My favorate quote from Einstein!



God is subtle but he is not malicious.
A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison,
restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by
widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and
the whole nature in its beauty.
Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for
survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
diet.
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as
meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for
life.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding.
Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books---a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he
contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous
structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a
little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend
only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a
feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has
nothing to do with mysticism.
The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.
Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom
this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and
lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is
impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest
wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are
intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ...
that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and
in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to
denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.
True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all
one's goodness and righteousness.
Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and
ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and
fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations
and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to
me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in
the social life of man.


* *http://www.gmau.org/ThinkingCaps/tcap29.htm


*Stephen Hawking


(A Brief History of Time, from the Big Bang to Black Holes), perhaps
the world's most brilliant astrophysist in discussing the Big Bang
theory stated, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe
should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who
intended to create beings like us."


Johannes Kepler - Discoverer of the 3 Laws of Planetary Motion


Johannes Kepler lived from 1571-1630. He was a brilliant German
astronomer who made many incredible discoveries. He discovered the 3
laws of Planetary Motion which are still named after him. He also
determined that the tides were caused by the moon and that parallax
can determine star distances.


He literally believed that his scientific pursuits were a mission from
God. In his book, the Harmonies of the World, he wrote the following
conclusion in prayer to God:


“…I give thanks to thee, O Lord Creator, who has delighted me with Thy
makings and in the works of thy hands have I found joy. I have used
the mental talents you have given me, and I have now completed the
work to which you have called me. I have revealed the glory of your
works to those who will read my explanations, at least that part of
your infinite riches which my limited mind could grasp…finally, allow
that these demonstrations give way to Thy glory and the salvation of
souls and nowhere be an obstacle to that.”


He also was an astrologer, which many churches would frown on.



Sir Isaac Newton - Discover of the Laws of Gravity and Motion


Sir Isaac Newton is one of the most famous scientists of all time. He
was strongly motivated by his Biblical beliefs. In fact, he felt he
was personally involved in fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 12:4
“Many shall go to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” History
shows that Newton actually wrote more about theology than he did about
science.


He was a co-inventor of calculus, the discoverer of the law of
universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. He also invented
the reflecting telescope and is the author of the most important book
of the scientific revolution (the Principia Mathematica).


Newton considered the Lord Jesus Christ the Savior of the world, and
also trusted and believed in miracles as expressed in the Bible. He
wrote strong papers refuting atheism and defending creation and the
Bible. In Newton’s own words, “I have a fundamental belief in the
Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study
the Bible daily.”


In explanation to the many incredible discoveries and advancements
that were made by Newton during the course of his career, Newton had
this to say, “All my discoveries have been made in an answer to
prayer.”


http://4thdayalliance.com/articles/g...l_astronomers/...


Did you know that Newton didn't believe in the Trinity? *A shocking
heresy for a professor at "Trinity College" *at Oxford. *He avoided
being being ordained into the priesthood, a custom for leading
professors at the time, because of this. *But he did spend a great
deal of time trying to decipher the "Bible Code"! *The date he
calculated for doomsday was in 2060! *But just like Newton, he only
mentioned it in an obscure letter to a friend, which didn't see the
light of day for 300 years!

Double-A

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Default Some Thoughts and Quotes about God from famous Scientist andAstronomers*

Yes, and you are smarter than all the astronomers and scientist
mentioned. It is easy to dismiss people

with insulting names...

On Jan 29, 9:41*pm, Saul Levy wrote:
TOTAL BULL****! *They're ALL WRONG!

They aren't called RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS for nothing!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:39:10 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"

wrote:
Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
by Rich Deem


http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html


Introduction


Does science lead us down a road that ends in the naturalistic
explanation of everything we see? In the nineteenth century, it
certainly looked as though science was going in that direction. The
"God of the gaps" was finding himself in a narrower and narrower
niche. However, 20th century and now 21st century science is leading
us back down the road of design - not from a lack of scientific
explanation, but from scientific explanation that requires an appeal
to the extremely unlikely - something that science does not deal well
with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many
scientists now believe in God. According to a recent article:


"I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the
journal Nature. It revealed that 40% of American physicists,
biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some
metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in
our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob."(1)


The degree to which the constants of physics must match a precise
criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded
that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it.
Here is what they say:


The quotes


Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)


George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)


Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful
evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as
though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the
Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". (4)


Paul Davies: "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of
exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". (5)


Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)


John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)


George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)


Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)


Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)


Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)


Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)


Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)


Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)


Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)


Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.


Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)


Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)


Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)


Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)


Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)


Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)


Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)


Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)


Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)


Antony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and
debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty
years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously
powerful argument to design." (26)


Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "From the
perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a
mere religion, but an experimentally testable science." (27)


Related Pages
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? - Antony Flew Renounces Atheism
Book Review: There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist
Changed His Mind by Antony Flew
Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
The Incredible Design of the Earth and Our Solar System


References
Jim Holt. 1997. Science Resurrects God. The Wall Street Journal
(December 24, 1997), Dow Jones & Co., Inc.
Hoyle, F. 1982. The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual
Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16.
Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments.
The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York,
Cambridge University


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Old January 30th 09, 09:20 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Some Thoughts and Quotes about God from famous Scientist andAstronomers*

Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
by Rich Deem

Introduction
The constants of the laws of physics have been finely tuned to a
degree not possible through human engineering. Five of the more
finely tuned numbers are included in the table below. For comments
about what scientists think about these numbers, see the page Quotes
from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe

Fine Tuning of the Physical Constants of the Universe
Parameter Max. Deviation
Ratio of Electrons:Protons 1:1037
Ratio of Electromagnetic Force:Gravity 1:1040
Expansion Rate of Universe 1:1055
Mass of Universe1 1:1059
Cosmological Constant 1:10120
These numbers represent the maximum deviation from the accepted
values, that would either prevent the universe from existing now, not
having matter, or be unsuitable for any form of life.Degree of fine
tuning
Recent Studies have confirmed the fine tuning of the cosmological
constant (also known as "dark energy"). This cosmological constant is
a force that increases with the increasing size of the universe. First
hypothesized by Albert Einstein, the cosmological constant was
rejected by him, because of lack of real world data. However, recent
supernova 1A data demonstrated the existence of a cosmological
constant that probably made up for the lack of light and dark matter
in the universe.2 However, the data was tentative, since there was
some variability among observations. Recent cosmic microwave
background (CMB) measurement not only demonstrate the existence of the
cosmological constant, but the value of the constant. It turns out
that the value of the cosmological constant exactly makes up for the
lack of matter in the universe.3

The degree of fine-tuning is difficult to imagine. Dr. Hugh Ross gives
an example of the least fine-tuned of the above four examples in his
book, The Creator and the Cosmos, which is reproduced he

One part in 1037 is such an incredibly sensitive balance that it is
hard to visualize. The following analogy might help: Cover the entire
North American continent in dimes all the way up to the moon, a height
of about 239,000 miles (In comparison, the money to pay for the U.S.
federal government debt would cover one square mile less than two feet
deep with dimes.). Next, pile dimes from here to the moon on a billion
other continents the same size as North America. Paint one dime red
and mix it into the billions of piles of dimes. Blindfold a friend and
ask him to pick out one dime. The odds that he will pick the red dime
are one in 1037. (p. 115)

The ripples in the universe from the original Big Bang event are
detectable at one part in 100,000. If this factor were slightly
smaller, the universe would exist only as a collection of gas - no
planets, no life. If this factor were slightly larger, the universe
would consist only of large black holes. Obviously, no life would be
possible in such a universe.

Another finely tuned constant is the strong nuclear force (the force
that holds atoms together). The Sun "burns" by fusing hydrogen (and
higher elements) together. When the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of
the mass of the hydrogens is converted into energy. If the amount of
matter converted were slightly smaller—0.6% instead of 0.7%— a proton
could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of
hydrogen. With no heavy elements, there would be no rocky planets and
no life. If the amount of matter converted were slightly larger—0.8%,
fusion would happen so readily and rapidly that no hydrogen would have
survived from the Big Bang. Again, there would be no solar systems and
no life. The number must lie exactly between 0.6% and 0.8% (Martin
Rees, Just Six Numbers).

Fine Tuning Parameters for the Universe

strong nuclear force constant
if larger: no hydrogen would form; atomic nuclei for most life-
essential elements would be unstable; thus, no life chemistry
if smaller: no elements heavier than hydrogen would form: again, no
life chemistry
weak nuclear force constant
if larger: too much hydrogen would convert to helium in big bang;
hence, stars would convert too much matter into heavy elements making
life chemistry impossible
if smaller: too little helium would be produced from big bang; hence,
stars would convert too little matter into heavy elements making life
chemistry impossible
gravitational force constant
if larger: stars would be too hot and would burn too rapidly and too
unevenly for life chemistry
if smaller: stars would be too cool to ignite nuclear fusion; thus,
many of the elements needed for life chemistry would never form
electromagnetic force constant
if greater: chemical bonding would be disrupted; elements more massive
than boron would be unstable to fission
if lesser: chemical bonding would be insufficient for life chemistry
ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force
constant
if larger: all stars would be at least 40% more massive than the sun;
hence, stellar burning would be too brief and too uneven for life
support
if smaller: all stars would be at least 20% less massive than the sun,
thus incapable of producing heavy elements
ratio of electron to proton mass
if larger: chemical bonding would be insufficient for life chemistry
if smaller: same as above
ratio of number of protons to number of electrons
if larger: electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing galaxy,
star, and planet formation
if smaller: same as above
expansion rate of the universe
if larger: no galaxies would form
if smaller: universe would collapse, even before stars formed
entropy level of the universe
if larger: stars would not form within proto-galaxies
if smaller: no proto-galaxies would form
mass density of the universe
if larger: overabundance of deuterium from big bang would cause stars
to burn rapidly, too rapidly for life to form
if smaller: insufficient helium from big bang would result in a
shortage of heavy elements
velocity of light
if faster: stars would be too luminous for life support if slower:
stars would be insufficiently luminous for life support
age of the universe
if older: no solar-type stars in a stable burning phase would exist in
the right (for life) part of the galaxy
if younger: solar-type stars in a stable burning phase would not yet
have formed
initial uniformity of radiation
if more uniform: stars, star clusters, and galaxies would not have
formed
if less uniform: universe by now would be mostly black holes and empty
space
average distance between galaxies
if larger: star formation late enough in the history of the universe
would be hampered by lack of material
if smaller: gravitational tug-of-wars would destabilize the sun's
orbit
density of galaxy cluster
if denser: galaxy collisions and mergers would disrupt the sun's orbit
if less dense: star formation late enough in the history of the
universe would be hampered by lack of material
average distance between stars
if larger: heavy element density would be too sparse for rocky planets
to form
if smaller: planetary orbits would be too unstable for life
fine structure constant (describing the fine-structure splitting of
spectral lines) if larger: all stars would be at least 30% less
massive than the sun
if larger than 0.06: matter would be unstable in large magnetic fields
if smaller: all stars would be at least 80% more massive than the sun
decay rate of protons
if greater: life would be exterminated by the release of radiation
if smaller: universe would contain insufficient matter for life
12C to 16O nuclear energy level ratio
if larger: universe would contain insufficient oxygen for life
if smaller: universe would contain insufficient carbon for life
ground state energy level for 4He
if larger: universe would contain insufficient carbon and oxygen for
life
if smaller: same as above
decay rate of 8Be
if slower: heavy element fusion would generate catastrophic explosions
in all the stars
if faster: no element heavier than beryllium would form; thus, no life
chemistry
ratio of neutron mass to proton mass
if higher: neutron decay would yield too few neutrons for the
formation of many life-essential elements
if lower: neutron decay would produce so many neutrons as to collapse
all stars into neutron stars or black holes
initial excess of nucleons over anti-nucleons
if greater: radiation would prohibit planet formation
if lesser: matter would be insufficient for galaxy or star formation
polarity of the water molecule
if greater: heat of fusion and vaporization would be too high for life
if smaller: heat of fusion and vaporization would be too low for life;
liquid water would not work as a solvent for life chemistry; ice would
not float, and a runaway freeze-up would result
supernovae eruptions
if too close, too frequent, or too late: radiation would exterminate
life on the planet
if too distant, too infrequent, or too soon: heavy elements would be
too sparse for rocky planets to form
white dwarf binaries
if too few: insufficient fluorine would exist for life chemistry
if too many: planetary orbits would be too unstable for life
if formed too soon: insufficient fluorine production
if formed too late: fluorine would arrive too late for life chemistry
ratio of exotic matter mass to ordinary matter mass
if larger: universe would collapse before solar-type stars could form
if smaller: no galaxies would form
number of effective dimensions in the early universe
if larger: quantum mechanics, gravity, and relativity could not
coexist; thus, life would be impossible
if smaller: same result
number of effective dimensions in the present universe
if smaller: electron, planet, and star orbits would become unstable
if larger: same result
mass of the neutrino
if smaller: galaxy clusters, galaxies, and stars would not form
if larger: galaxy clusters and galaxies would be too dense
big bang ripples
if smaller: galaxies would not form; universe would expand too rapidly
if larger: galaxies/galaxy clusters would be too dense for life; black
holes would dominate; universe would collapse before life-site could
form
size of the relativistic dilation factor
if smaller: certain life-essential chemical reactions will not
function properly
if larger: same result
uncertainty magnitude in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle
if smaller: oxygen transport to body cells would be too small and
certain life-essential elements would be unstable
if larger: oxygen transport to body cells would be too great and
certain life-essential elements would be unstable
cosmological constant
if larger: universe would expand too quickly to form solar-type stars
Taken from Big Bang Refined by Fire by Dr. Hugh Ross, 1998. Reasons
To Believe, Pasadena, CA.

The Creator and the Cosmos by Dr. Hugh Ross

A classic book for modern Christian apologetics and science. Dr. Ross
presents the latest scientific evidence for intelligent design of our
world and an easy to understand introduction to modern cosmology. This
is a great book to give agnostics, who have an interest in cosmology
and astronomy.

Related Pages
Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
Extreme Fine Tuning - Dark Energy or the Cosmological Constant
The Incredible Design of the Earth and Our Solar System
Anthropic Coincidences by Stephen M. Barr (a theoretical particle
physicist at the Bartol Research Institute of the University of
Delaware)


On Jan 30, 12:15*am, "Noah's Dove" wrote:
Yes, and you are smarter than all the astronomers and scientist
mentioned. *It is easy to dismiss people

with insulting names...

On Jan 29, 9:41*pm, Saul Levy wrote:

TOTAL BULL****! *They're ALL WRONG!


They aren't called RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS for nothing!


Saul Levy


On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:39:10 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"


wrote:
Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
by Rich Deem


http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html


Introduction


Does science lead us down a road that ends in the naturalistic
explanation of everything we see? In the nineteenth century, it
certainly looked as though science was going in that direction. The
"God of the gaps" was finding himself in a narrower and narrower
niche. However, 20th century and now 21st century science is leading
us back down the road of design - not from a lack of scientific
explanation, but from scientific explanation that requires an appeal
to the extremely unlikely - something that science does not deal well
with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many
scientists now believe in God. According to a recent article:


"I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the
journal Nature. It revealed that 40% of American physicists,
biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some
metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in
our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob."(1)


The degree to which the constants of physics must match a precise
criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded
that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it.
Here is what they say:


The quotes


Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)


George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)


Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful
evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as
though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the
Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". (4)


Paul Davies: "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of
exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". (5)


Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)


John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)


George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)


Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)


Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)


Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)


Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)


Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)


Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)


Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)


Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.


Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)


Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)


Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)


Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)


Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)


Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)


Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)


Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)


Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)


Antony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and
debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty
years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously
powerful argument to design." (26)


Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "From the
perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a
mere religion, but an experimentally testable science." (27)


Related Pages
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? - Antony Flew Renounces Atheism
Book Review: There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist
Changed His Mind by Antony


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Default Some Thoughts and Quotes about God from famous Scientist and Astronomers*

People are IDIOTS no matter what you call them! lmfjao!

Just look at all the IDIOTS in this newsgroup! What a ****ING BUNCH
OF LOSERS! We have WartPiggy, BradBoi, DonnieBoi, Cramer and many,
many more! Many are just plain INSANE!

Penzias is a VERY ARROGANT *******! I've seen him in action on Kitt
Peak.

Tipler is another WACKO RELIGIOUS NUTJOB just like you are! He's been
pushing the anthropic principle for years. That principle is PURE
RELIGIOUS NONSENSE. It is NOT science and has NO basis in reality.

Religion brings out all the NUTS and FRUITS!

Mixing religion and science is a VERY BAD idea.

Saul Levy


On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:15:21 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"
wrote:

Yes, and you are smarter than all the astronomers and scientist
mentioned. It is easy to dismiss people

with insulting names...

On Jan 29, 9:41*pm, Saul Levy wrote:
TOTAL BULL****! *They're ALL WRONG!

They aren't called RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS for nothing!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:39:10 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"

wrote:
Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe
by Rich Deem


http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html


Introduction


Does science lead us down a road that ends in the naturalistic
explanation of everything we see? In the nineteenth century, it
certainly looked as though science was going in that direction. The
"God of the gaps" was finding himself in a narrower and narrower
niche. However, 20th century and now 21st century science is leading
us back down the road of design - not from a lack of scientific
explanation, but from scientific explanation that requires an appeal
to the extremely unlikely - something that science does not deal well
with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many
scientists now believe in God. According to a recent article:


"I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the
journal Nature. It revealed that 40% of American physicists,
biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some
metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in
our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob."(1)


The degree to which the constants of physics must match a precise
criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded
that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it.
Here is what they say:


The quotes


Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)


George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)


Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful
evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as
though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the
Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". (4)


Paul Davies: "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of
exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". (5)


Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)


John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)


George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)


Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)


Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)


Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)


Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)


Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)


Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)


Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)


Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.

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Blah, blah, blah! lmfjao!

That's all you have here.

Mixing religion and science is a VERY BAD idea!

Saul Levy


On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:20:47 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"
wrote:

Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
by Rich Deem

Introduction
The constants of the laws of physics have been finely tuned to a
degree not possible through human engineering. Five of the more
finely tuned numbers are included in the table below. For comments
about what scientists think about these numbers, see the page Quotes
from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe

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Old January 30th 09, 04:12 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Idiots love to do that, Saul. It's their way of sneaking up on
I.D., since Creationism has been, at least in my mind, proven
to be utter bull****.


"Saul Levy" wrote in message
...
Blah, blah, blah! lmfjao!

That's all you have here.

Mixing religion and science is a VERY BAD idea!

Saul Levy


On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:20:47 -0800 (PST), "Noah's Dove"
wrote:

Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe
by Rich Deem

Introduction
The constants of the laws of physics have been finely tuned to a
degree not possible through human engineering. Five of the more
finely tuned numbers are included in the table below. For comments
about what scientists think about these numbers, see the page Quotes
from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe

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