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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone... Frankly, I don't think this is going to happen: http://blog.al.com/space-news/2011/0...y-lift_ro.html The answer to SLS is Falcon X or even Falcon XX. But it's unlikely to happen as Congress is comprised of a bunch of corrupt crooks who take bribes and payoffs from Boeing and LockMart. |
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Frankly, I don't think this is going to happen:
http://blog.al.com/space-news/2011/0...y-lift_ro.html Pat |
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On 23/08/2011 1:04 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
"Pat wrote in message dakotatelephone... Frankly, I don't think this is going to happen: http://blog.al.com/space-news/2011/0...y-lift_ro.html The answer to SLS is Falcon X or even Falcon XX. But it's unlikely to happen as Congress is comprised of a bunch of corrupt crooks who take bribes and payoffs from Boeing and LockMart. coward |
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On 22/08/2011 11:36 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article_7edneynI7Bmz8 hdakotatelephone, says... Frankly, I don't think this is going to happen: http://blog.al.com/space-news/2011/0...y-lift_ro.html No thank you! Ares I was, and still is, the dumbest idea ever for a launch vehicle. Jeff Couldn't agree more. I'd question the independence, reasoning and knowledge of someone making such a claim as Dr. Pace. It seems more like Dubya's party and NASA having a say in policy that good economic sense. Dr Pace states that a lot of work was done on Ares 1. True, but none of it was effective at producing an LV that could economically compete with Delta IV Heavy. Not to mention all the added vibration (due to thrust occillation) that was one of the main reasons the Ares 1 was cancelled. |
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On 8/22/2011 7:04 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
But it's unlikely to happen as Congress is comprised of a bunch of corrupt crooks who take bribes and payoffs from Boeing and LockMart. Probably ATK in this case, plus a lot of Shuttle-related NASA employees who want to keeps its infrastructure... and their jobs. Of course Liberty is now the thing, as then you don't have to develop a new second stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2cnmxH9Hbg It will all be so simple... ;-) Pat |
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On Aug 22, 4:30*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
It will all be so simple... ;-) Well, if the Ariane _second_ stage is reliable enough, perhaps. Although indeed I didn't think one SRB from the Shuttle would have enough oomph for this sort of thing. I really am inclined, in my naivete, to prefer a kerosene (RP-1)/ oxygen first stage. Those didn't blow up and kill Apollo astronauts - solid boosters did blow up and kill Shuttle astronauts. 1) Build a new, modern equivalent to the F-1 engine from the Saturn V. 2) Put seven of them, in a hexagon, instead of five, at the bottom of the booster. 3) Do like the original Atlas did: release some of the rocket motors when the tanks are nearly empty, so that the first stage is a "stage and a half". As for the second stage, liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen engines exist, whether from Ariane or the Space Shuttle Main Engines. They haven't thrown the plans and tooling for _those_ away like they did for the F-1, did they? Anyways, seven F-1s on a "stage and a half" is significantly improved performance over the Saturn V main stage, and given Robert Zubrin's mission plan for a manned Mars landing that only needs a Saturn V, this should be all the heavy-lift vehicle America needs to do just about anything it wants. John Savard |
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On Aug 22, 6:36*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article _7edneynI7Bmz8 , says... Frankly, I don't think this is going to happen: http://blog.al.com/space-news/2011/0..._heavy-lift_ro.... No thank you! *Ares I was, and still is, the dumbest idea ever for a launch vehicle. * You're just still upset because the Ares I-X flew just fine, and met most of it's flight objectives. -Mike |
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On 23/08/2011 8:30 AM, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 8/22/2011 7:04 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote: But it's unlikely to happen as Congress is comprised of a bunch of corrupt crooks who take bribes and payoffs from Boeing and LockMart. Probably ATK in this case, plus a lot of Shuttle-related NASA employees who want to keeps its infrastructure... and their jobs. Of course Liberty is now the thing, as then you don't have to develop a new second stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2cnmxH9Hbg It will all be so simple... ;-) Pat Pat, don't feed the troll. |
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On 8/22/2011 8:00 PM, Mike DiCenso wrote:
You're just still upset because the Ares I-X flew just fine, and met most of it's flight objectives. Considering that its flight objectives were to get off the pad intact, go into the air, and dump something off the nose, that wasn't any too challenging of an accomplishment. They should have just skipped it, and waited till the five segment booster was ready. That at least would have had some relation to the actual launch vehicle; the way it was done, it was of very little use in developing the real Ares-1. Pat |
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