Apocalypse NOW!

(Jeff Root) wrote in message . com...
[snip]
Things are being controlled very cleverly. Don't believe me?

People in this NG will not answer clearly the question I have
posed. Will point B move "along Y axis in XY plane"? It needs
just yes/no. But they will remain silent(or they will be
humorous). They will ignore me. Because they are controlled.

Most people ignore you because they have no interest in you.

I said that I am trapped. My every action, word, thought was
controlled in this NG or outside world. Now circumstances, through my
past postings, are created in this NG in such a way that even if I am
talking truth, they will not take interest in me. This is just one of
the part of trap.


Other people use humor with you because they believe you are
mentally ill. You need to try to show them that you are not.

Not me. It is their job to show that their intelligence, thinking
ability, conscious minds are not being controlled. They just need to
answer simple question. Whether point B will move along "Y axis" or
not?

They can refer figure on my homepage

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

Now I am going to explain again what I am trying to say.

In above figure AB and CB are V-shaped spring of same length and
stiffness and both springs are in relaxed state initially. Angle ABC
is "solid angle" . Let angle ABC be 60 degree in this figure(for the
sake of explanation only, in actual Action Device this angle will be
very small).

At t = 0, we apply same magnitude of force on point A and C and we
pull point A of spring AB towards point E in the direction of line BE
which makes "60 degree" angle with X axis and we pull point C of
spring CB towards point F in the direction of line BF which also makes
"60 degree" angle with X axis. And we are pulling point A and C in
such a way that these points must stretch or extend to point E and F
resp. on x axis.

Please note that we are pulling points A and C in the direction which
makes 60 degree angle with X axis. We are NOT pulling point A and C in
"downward" direction.

At t = t, spring AB is stretched and point A of spring AB reaches to
point E on X axis. Also at t = t, spring CB is stretched and point C
of spring reaches to point F on X axis.

We will find that point B has not shifted its position along Y axis.
It remains where it was at t = 0. Because if point B shifts its
position along Y axis, to say, point B', angle AB'C (or EB'F, because
point A coincides with point E and point C coincides with point F)
will be different from angle ABC i.e. greater than 60 degree. But as
stated above, "angle ABC is solid angle" which does not change due to
forces acting at point B.

Yes, point B will shift its position in space but certainly not along
Y axis or in XY plane. Third vector will be produced at point B
direction of which will be perpendiculer to XY plane.

Am I right or wrong?

-Abhi.

"George Dishman" wrote in message ...
"Abhi" wrote in message
om...

I went to Indian Institute of Technology and started expalaining very
basic idea of this device. But they raised problem which does not
exist at all. What I tried to convince them is given in my homepage.
Please note that I have changed my homepage from previous one.

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

What those few of very brilliant people in India insisted that point B
will move "along Y axis". I agree that due to forces acting at point
B, third vector will be produced and point B will move in space in
"perpendiculer direction to XY plane". But those people insist that it
will move "along Y axis !"

http://www.dishman.me.uk/George/Abhi/abhi.gif

If you stretch the springs by moving A to E and
C to F, the forces exerted by the springs are shown
by the thick red arrows. To add the forces, the thin
red lines make them into a parallelogram and the green
arrow shows the resulting total. Don't take my word
for it though, check how to add forces in any mechanics
text book.

To stop B moving, Newton's law says you need an equal
and opposite reaction which is shown by the blue arrow.
Without that, B will move in the direction of the green
arrow. That is along the Y axis so they are right
according to the standard rules of mechanics.

People in this NG will not answer my question clearly.

They all said B will move down the Y axis. That is a
very clear answer.

Think of the line EF as a bow and the springs as the
string. Which way will the green arrow go?

George

Roger that.

But my "illusion" will come to an end if few other people in this NG
confirm what you have said. I will repeat zillion times that in this
V-shaped spring, angle ABC is solid angle. Please read it again.

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

Thanks.

-Abhi.

"George Dishman" wrote in message ...
"Abhi" wrote in message
om...

I went to Indian Institute of Technology and started expalaining very
basic idea of this device. But they raised problem which does not
exist at all. What I tried to convince them is given in my homepage.
Please note that I have changed my homepage from previous one.

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

What those few of very brilliant people in India insisted that point B
will move "along Y axis". I agree that due to forces acting at point
B, third vector will be produced and point B will move in space in
"perpendiculer direction to XY plane". But those people insist that it
will move "along Y axis !"

http://www.dishman.me.uk/George/Abhi/abhi.gif

If you stretch the springs by moving A to E and
C to F, the forces exerted by the springs are shown
by the thick red arrows. To add the forces, the thin
red lines make them into a parallelogram and the green
arrow shows the resulting total. Don't take my word
for it though, check how to add forces in any mechanics
text book.

To stop B moving, Newton's law says you need an equal
and opposite reaction which is shown by the blue arrow.
Without that, B will move in the direction of the green
arrow. That is along the Y axis so they are right
according to the standard rules of mechanics.

People in this NG will not answer my question clearly.

They all said B will move down the Y axis. That is a
very clear answer.

Think of the line EF as a bow and the springs as the
string. Which way will the green arrow go?

George

It is no more physics or Newtonian mechanics, Pythagoras theorem,
George. For me, it is war between negative forces and positive forces
of nature. Logic, math, physics, intelligence, thinking ability of
well educated, brilliant people like you is succumbed to dark, evil
forces of nature. People on this earth are being controlled by dark
forces of nature.

What you fail to understand that if point B shifts its position along
Y axis, angle ABC or EBF will "change" and as I am saying again and
again, angle ABC is solid angle.

But I will not allow dark, evil forces of nature around me to
overpower me. I am talking about changing course of history, physics
and opening gateway to entire universe.

Why you people are being controlled, this is the reason behind it.

-Abhi.

Snipped the already explained crap....

Why you people are being controlled, this is the reason behind it.

-Abhi.

Why don't you seek a close mental health facility
and get a grip on the paranoid delusions you display?

They have all kinds of new drugs to modulate
the delusional periods....


Paul R. Mays
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Abhi wrote:

Nice explanation, Claus. What you forgot that AB and CB are "springs"
and I am pulling these two springs i.e. forces are being applied in
direction along line BE and BF which makes 60 degree angle with X
axis.

Doesn't matter. The springs are fixed at point B. So all forces
you apply to the springs really do attack on point B. My argument
is entirely valid for point B, so you are exerting a net force
at point B that is directed along the y-Axis towards O. For the
net force that acts on your device it is of no difference if you
are pulling springs, ropes or whatever. All what matters is that
your forces attack on point B.

The effect of the 60 degree angle is resolved through the
decomposition in its horizontal and vertical components.

I am NOT allowing point A and C to slide or move in downward
direction along Y axis which makes 90 degree angle to horizontal X
axis.

If A and C are not fixed (fixation isn't indicated in your figure)
A and C will move downward along the y-axis because the angle ABC
is solid and a net force downward is applied to B.

If A and B are fixed then of course B will also not move. But then
the whole arrangement is pointless because all you are doing is
stretching springs.

Really, build it and verify it by experiment. Hardware costs you
under $5.

This is a possible and cheap construction of your device:
You need: cardboard, two ballpens with springs, a nail or some
duct tape, scissors. Cut out a symmetric triangle out of the
cardboard. Pin the end of the springs of the ballpens with the nail
on one end of the triangle. This is point B. Make it so that B is on
top of the symmetric triangle. Align the springs in a 60 degree angle
in a symmetrical way down the cardboard (in fact any angle will do as
long the alignment is symmetrical). Pull on the springs with equal
force. Watch the effect.

Claus-Juergen

Claus-Jürgen Heigl wrote:

This is a possible and cheap construction of your device:
You need: cardboard, two ballpens with springs, a nail or some
duct tape, scissors. Cut out a symmetric triangle out of the
cardboard. Pin the end of the springs of the ballpens with the nail
on one end of the triangle. This is point B.

Improvement: springs are flexible, so you'll get by with one spring.
Just put it around the pin (nail) with the pin in the middle of
the spring. Even cheaper.

Claus-Juergen

(Abhi) wrote in message . com...
(Jeff Root) wrote in message . com...
[snip]
Things are being controlled very cleverly. Don't believe me?

People in this NG will not answer clearly the question I have
posed. Will point B move "along Y axis in XY plane"? It needs
just yes/no. But they will remain silent(or they will be
humorous). They will ignore me. Because they are controlled.

Most people ignore you because they have no interest in you.

I said that I am trapped. My every action, word, thought was
controlled in this NG or outside world.

You are not trapped. You have free will. Nobody forced
you to post these words. You are free to post or not to
post, and you are free to post whatever words you want when
you do post. You are also free to post to other newsgroups.

Now circumstances, through my
past postings, are created in this NG in such a way that even if I am
talking truth, they will not take interest in me.

You are posting in a physics newsgroups. Your posts will be
evaluated on the correctness of the physics content, not on
your personality. Your physics is incorrect, but you seem
unwilling to accept that. You have gone to eminent Indian
physicists and been given a correct analysis. You didn't
like the analysis.

Other people use humor with you because they believe you are
mentally ill. You need to try to show them that you are not.

Not me. It is their job to show that their intelligence, thinking
ability, conscious minds are not being controlled. They just need to
answer simple question. Whether point B will move along "Y axis" or
not?

Many people have answered this question: Point B will
move along the Y axis.


They can refer figure on my homepage

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

Now I am going to explain again what I am trying to say.

In above figure AB and CB are V-shaped spring of same length and
stiffness and both springs are in relaxed state initially. Angle ABC
is "solid angle".

Apparently this means you have some rigid structure
forcing this angle to be approximately constant.

Let angle ABC be 60 degree in this figure(for the
sake of explanation only, in actual Action Device this angle will be
very small).

At t = 0, we apply same magnitude of force on point A and C and we
pull point A of spring AB towards point E in the direction of line BE
which makes "60 degree" angle with X axis and we pull point C of
spring CB towards point F in the direction of line BF which also makes
"60 degree" angle with X axis. And we are pulling point A and C in
such a way that these points must stretch or extend to point E and F
resp. on x axis.

Please note that we are pulling points A and C in the direction which
makes 60 degree angle with X axis. We are NOT pulling point A and C in
"downward" direction.

But they have a downward component.

Systems exactly like this have been used to two boats
along canals (B is a boat, A and C are mules on
shore, the whole point is to move the boat forward)
or to plow land (B is a plow, A and C are oxen) for
centuries. They work. B moves forward, as it is
designed to do.

At t = t, spring AB is stretched and point A of spring AB reaches to
point E on X axis. Also at t = t, spring CB is stretched and point C
of spring reaches to point F on X axis.

We will find that point B has not shifted its position along Y axis.

Of course it has. What is preventing it from shifting?

Try it. Put yourself at point B and have two people pull
you with ropes at angles. You think you won't move?

It remains where it was at t = 0. Because if point B shifts its
position along Y axis, to say, point B', angle AB'C (or EB'F, because
point A coincides with point E and point C coincides with point F)
will be different from angle ABC i.e. greater than 60 degree. But as
stated above, "angle ABC is solid angle" which does not change due to
forces acting at point B.

Oh, OK. I see what you're saying. ABC is a rigid structure
which does not allow points A and C to separate horizontally.

Nothing is completely rigid, so B will move a little bit
as the structure is stretched and pulled tight. At that
point you'll reach static equilibrium, so long as the
forces are indeed confined to pull at angles but the
structure prevents the horizontal separation from
growing.

Unfortunately, you put the forces on springs rather
than confine them to the steel structure. So they can
happily move apart.

Yes, point B will shift its position in space but certainly not along
Y axis or in XY plane.

If the forces are confined to the xy plane, so will the motion be.

Third vector will be produced at point B
direction of which will be perpendiculer to XY plane.

Am I right or wrong?

Wrong.

- Randy

Claus-Jürgen Heigl wrote:

If A and C are not fixed (fixation isn't indicated in your figure)
A and C will move downward along the y-axis because the angle ABC
is solid and a net force downward is applied to B.

If A and B are fixed

Typo: This should read "A and C"

then of course B will also not move.

Claus-Juergen

"Abhi" schrieb im Newsbeitrag om...
But my "illusion" will come to an end if few other people in this NG
confirm what you have said. I will repeat zillion times that in this
V-shaped spring, angle ABC is solid angle. Please read it again.

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

So, what do you do to *make* it a solid angle? Nail all three points
to the board or what?
If B is attached to nothing but the springs (and A/C are attached to nothing but
their respective springs) the shape of the whole contraption
at time t will be determined by the characteristics of the springs and
the friction of the springs and of point B on the surface you're dragging it
on.

Greetings!
Volker

Abhi wrote:
"George Dishman" wrote in message ...

"Abhi" wrote in message
.com...

I went to Indian Institute of Technology and started expalaining very
basic idea of this device. But they raised problem which does not
exist at all. What I tried to convince them is given in my homepage.
Please note that I have changed my homepage from previous one.

http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

What those few of very brilliant people in India insisted that point B
will move "along Y axis". I agree that due to forces acting at point
B, third vector will be produced and point B will move in space in
"perpendiculer direction to XY plane". But those people insist that it
will move "along Y axis !"

http://www.dishman.me.uk/George/Abhi/abhi.gif

If you stretch the springs by moving A to E and
C to F, the forces exerted by the springs are shown
by the thick red arrows. To add the forces, the thin
red lines make them into a parallelogram and the green
arrow shows the resulting total. Don't take my word
for it though, check how to add forces in any mechanics
text book.

To stop B moving, Newton's law says you need an equal
and opposite reaction which is shown by the blue arrow.
Without that, B will move in the direction of the green
arrow. That is along the Y axis so they are right
according to the standard rules of mechanics.


People in this NG will not answer my question clearly.

They all said B will move down the Y axis. That is a
very clear answer.

Think of the line EF as a bow and the springs as the
string. Which way will the green arrow go?

George


Roger that.

But my "illusion" will come to an end if few other people in this NG
confirm what you have said. I will repeat zillion times that in this
V-shaped spring, angle ABC is solid angle. Please read it again.

I interpret this to mean you have somehow stapled the springs at point
B. If you have not secured the springs at be, the ends *will* move, no
matter what you say to the contrary.

I recommend that you take a math course that will teach you how to work
with vectors. It seems clear from your responses that you do not
understand how vectors work.


http://www.geocities.com/actiondevice

Thanks.

-Abhi.


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