"Nazis Run Our Space Program" -- Peace Activist Bruce Gag-Me

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:27:54 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Of course, making fun of Eric is like shooting piscine prey in a
barrel. On the other hand, the fact that they're in a barrel doesn't
mean that the fish shouldn't be shot.



It's going create quite a lot of splashed water though, isn't it?

Depends on calibre and muzzle velocity. With fish like Eric, though,
a shotgun is adequate, and one shot will do ya.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: So, the govt. stepping in with minimum wage was a lousy idea, right?

: Yes.

You obviously think you'd be on the side of the bourgeoisie rather than
the proletariat, inherently. I think we are sort of getting to the root of
your personality with this. You think you have more class than you do!

I'm not a Marxist, Eric. Class warfare is so nineteenth century.

: Are
: you aware that we used to have sweat shops like third world countries do
: now?

: Yes.

Perhaps your grandmother owned the one that my grandmother worked in?

It seems exceedingly unlikely.

: We now have welfare for those who can't earn enough in the free
: market.

Which isn't the same as minimum wage. I'd rather see someone making
minimum wage rather than be on welfare.

Minimum wage is a form of welfare, where the money is taken from
employers rather than taxpayers. Except most employers refuse to pay
it, instead simply automating and letting jobs go undone. And people
go unemployed.

: Everything! The point is that a third party or arbitrator is neseccary for
: labor.

: That has nothing to do whether or not to have a minimum wage.

Sure it does! Minimum wage keeps a lot of crap out of court.

Like what? How does it do that?

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:01:08 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : You didn't answer my question. What kind of uniform were you forced
: : to wear?
:
: I was speaking about parading as a spectator sport.

: That's not what Pat was talking about, so your response to him (like
: many of your responses to many people) was a total idiotic
: non-sequitur.

This has nothing to do with Pat.

So you're admitting that even though your response to Pat was that we
were already doing what he wrote (which we aren't), you were actually
just babbling about something that had nothing to do with what he
wrote. Typical.

: : What do you think you are?
:
: An American, just like the troops.
:
: Would you go to war if drafted? It sounds like you would not.

: Only to an illogical moron. You're not an illogical moron, are you?

Another classic case of ad hominem from Rand.

No. But I understand you don't know the difference. I didn't call
you anything. I just asked you if you were, based on your dumb
statement.

You avoided an answer and went after character.

No, I provided an answer. You're just too dumb to understand it.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:02:30 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : So, you believe that an employer should have the right to pay an
: employee
: : anything he wants to?
:
: : Of course, contingent on a mutually-agreed employment contract.
:
: Which is why we need labor unions, since the leverage that someone filling a
: totally fungible low-level postion has is zip compared to the leverage of a
: multi-million dollar company.

: What leverage is needed? If the employee doesn't get paid what was
: stipulated at the time of hire, the employer is in breach of the
: contract, and he can quit, just as he can be fired if he doesn't do
: the job. That's why it's a mutually-agreed employment contract.

The contract is nothing but a piece of paper without a fair justice
system.

Who's opposed to a fair justice system? Can't you stay on topic for a
single post?

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:15:32 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Ami
Silberman" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

I kind of thought we would get to this. I did mean, though I wasn't clear,
that a labor cartel (or union) might be necessary in order to give the
employee's leverage when bargaining with the employer. A problem with unions
is that they can become monopolies on labor. On the other hand, without some
form of collective bargaining unit, would-be (or current) employees have
very little leverage compared with an employer, especially if said employees
are fungible.

Labor is indeed fungible to a large degree, particularly when it's low
skilled. That some would wish this reality away doesn't justify
legally preventing someone from working for less than minimum wage if
they wish to, or for any wage that's mutually agreeable between them
and an employer. It's a policy that has been particularly disastrous
for inner-city youth.

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
.. .

Who's opposed to a fair justice system? Can't you stay on topic for a
single post?

Did someone say 'on topic'?

"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message
. ..

"Chuck Stewart" wrote in message
news
Ahh... doors! Everyone talks about brick-n-board
shelving, but it was surplus doors that made an
elite bachelor space. Need a desk/workbench?
Doors and filing cabinets! Need a second one? 3
bucks for a used door at Value Village and you're
ready to expand! Need a large table for your
RPG'ing friends in the living room? Doors on
folding chairs made an uber-coffe table!

****in' -A!

And there's often a nice hole to let the cords through

There are things within reach and things out of sight ... and in between are
the Doors.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:56:06 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Rand Simberg wrote:

No, that would be slavery.

Have you ever heard the term "wage slave"?

....Or "Dell Serf"?

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:55:23 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

For the thread, not for s.s.p. That's long been a lost cause.

....Not so lost that you couldn't move this thread back over there
where it belongs, Rand.

OM

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"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:54:13 +0800, "Neil Gerace"
wrote:

There are things within reach and things out of sight ... and in between are
the Doors.

....The most overrated band of the Psychedelic Era. Or was that Error?

OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr