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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:20:00 -0500, Bill wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont wrote: It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more wood for things and less metals it would help. I was at my doctors last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's carbon that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was created making the frame than would have been if it had needed metal. Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*. Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange. John Savard A lot of wood products are CNC machined. I can't think of any mass produced wood products that aren't made by fully automated, computerized equipment. Even wooden furniture that might be assembled by cheap foreign labor still has all its components machined. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:44:48 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: Not until they can do everything that people use gasoline cars for. Which they don't, and won't, for a long, long time, if ever. They already do more than gasoline cars in most of the ways that cars are used. Are you really so ****ing stupid that you don't know the difference between "most" and "all"? Apparently so. Dumbass. We don't have to hope. Electric cars are already cheaper No, they're not. The same model is more expensive, even *with* the subsidies. Retard. Only because of the economies of scale. Not because of anything intrinsic to the designs. You specifically claimed they were *already* cheaper. It's still quoted right there, up above. You were wrong, and not only wrong, but completely, utterly full of ****. Dumbass. And refueling time. Especially on long trips. Again, that's only relevant to a small fraction of automobile usage. Back to being too ****ing stupid to know the difference between "most" and "all," I see. And there are already solutions. No. There aren't. And the development pace is rapid. The technological risks here are very small. But the laws of physics are immutable. Three megawatt charger to add enoguh miles of drivign to match gasoline. Your numbers are outdated. So three megawatts is now somehow less than three megawatts? No, physics isn't outdated. Dumbass. And ignore the addition of local power generation, which is coming along nicely. So now everybody has to install a three megawatt generator in their garage? Including people who don't *have* a garage? Dumbass. Shared ownership achieves similar goals. If ridesharing were going to catch on, it would have in the 70s. I'm not talking about ride sharing. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're too ****ing stupid to know the difference between "most" and "all," or "cheaper now" and "more expensive now, but we hope it will come down." Dumbass. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:32:11 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: Unless you manufactured everything yourself, yes, the manufacturers were subsidized. They were not. Yes, they were, retard. They *all* are. But, since you're too ****ing stupid to know the difference between "most" and "all," there really isn't much point in reading the rest of your retarded drivel. All that's left is pointing and laughing at the 'tard. (That's you: the 'tard.) Dumbass. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
Bill wrote in
: On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont wrote: It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more wood for things and less metals it would help. I was at my doctors last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's carbon that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was created making the frame than would have been if it had needed metal. Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*. Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange. John Savard A lot of wood products are CNC machined. Not until they're loaded into the machine, by hand. And CNC machines are mighty expensive. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:20:00 -0500, Bill wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont wrote: It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more wood for things and less metals it would help. I was at my doctors last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's carbon that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was created making the frame than would have been if it had needed metal. Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*. Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange. John Savard A lot of wood products are CNC machined. I can't think Yeah, I've noticed. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:19:55 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: You seem to be coming unhinged. I'm only imitating you. You're the one who doesn't know the difference between "most" and "all," and who makes claims they know are false about the price of eletric cars (which is to say, you lie). That's what happens when the terminally dogmatic are faced with truths which contradict their irrational view of reality. You just described yourself perfectly. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem! -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
Chris L Peterson wrote in
news On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:21:58 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: Bill wrote in : On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont wrote: It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more wood for things and less metals it would help. I was at my doctors last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's carbon that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was created making the frame than would have been if it had needed metal. Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*. Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange. John Savard A lot of wood products are CNC machined. Not until they're loaded into the machine, by hand. And CNC machines are mighty expensive. CNC machines are essentially free when you look at the economics of mass production. Then why won't they deliver one without a very large wire transfer? Dumbass. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
I think that solar is capable of producing vastly more energy than nuclear. It is solar that will gift us with abundant energy (although that's no reason not to be as efficient as technology will permit). Solar takes up a lot of ground area. Thus, for unit of energy produced, it has environmental impacts, though those are relatively gentle... and it competes directly with food production. Or imperils delicate desert ecosystems, take your pick. (And think of the huge power lines needed if you pick the latter.) John Savard |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:23:54 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote: On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote: I think that solar is capable of producing vastly more energy than nuclear. It is solar that will gift us with abundant energy (although that's no reason not to be as efficient as technology will permit). Solar takes up a lot of ground area. Thus, for unit of energy produced, it has environmental impacts, though those are relatively gentle... and it competes directly with food production. Or imperils delicate desert ecosystems, take your pick. (And think of the huge power lines needed if you pick the latter.) There is a lot of environmentally low value land. And an awful lot of energy production can be accomplished locally. Most residential and private transportation energy, for instance, can be accommodated through rooftop systems. None of this requires technology that is more than normal development from what we have now, or is more than a couple of decades out. |
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No Significant Relief from Global Warming
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:19:55 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote: You seem to be coming unhinged. That's what happens when the terminally dogmatic are faced with truths which contradict their irrational view of reality. |
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