At sea-level NOBODY has gone faster than 600KPH, but you believe that they reach 1200KPH, don't you?

Well, *somebody put some satellites up there. I even watch TV off of one...

...there are some (natural) satellites,
like the moon and the asteroids and the ionosphere....

But, why is necessary to claim that "somebody" has put them there?

You are like a christian who sees proof of the existence of God,
because God PUT "man in the garden of Eden"....


What the heck are you talking about?
I cannot believe you are as crazy as you sound.
My bet is still that you are a joker.

Nobody is claiming that "somebody" has put natural satellite
objects into orbit.

I understand that you "believe" that there are no man-made
satellites in orbit.

Unfortunately. there is ample evidence that communication
satellites have been in use for decades.

There is NO evidence of your INSANE alternate scenario that
for over 40 years some other means of accomplishing what they
have been doing has actually been the case. You have none.
You cannot point to anything that supports your belief in what
must be a massive industry considering the vast use the world
makes of telecom services. How about showing us a spec manual
with a chapter on how to cope with irregular asteroid surfaces,
anything technical that deals with how real equpment works with
anything other than man-made orbitals. You have nothing, but
foolishly plod on, ignoring every fact that crosses your path.
And you call yourself a scientist!

There is a big difference between what MIGHT be true
and what is DEMONSTRABLY true.

I suspect that when you came up with your wrong little physics
theory, you got so excited that you failed to think it all the
way through. You forgot about all the consequences of your theory.
You forgot about satellites and what they have obviously been
doing and now you have no way to debunk this glaring error of yours.

And, you have still not shown that you are a scientist
rather than a priest. I will ask you yet again:

What evidence will convince you that orbital satellites
exist? If you have no answer, you are not seeking scientifically.
What evidence would falsify your hypotesis that there are no
man-made satellites in orbit?

"Baruch." $PAM wrote in message ...
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:48:12 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Baruch." $PAM came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

OK, but were these flights at sea level? I think maybe Bart's contention
is
that the speed is impossible at sea level - though I can't for the life
of
me imagine why he thinks that...

3,848 ft above sea level. Which means the air pressure is 0.999.

No difference, really.
--
Respectfully, I question your figure of 0.999. When I am in an elevator
that goes only a few hundred feet, I notice a change in pressure within my
ears. I doubt whether my ears are sensitive enough to detect a change of
less than 0.1%.

Also, ordinary changes in air pressure from weather are fare greater than
0.999.

I don't know the facts about atmospheric pressure, but I am fairly certain
that my comments are relevant...

I am also fairly certain that "0.999" is wrong...


If you know of some information that suggests otherwise, could you kindly
point it out to me? Thanks...

"Baruch." $PAM wrote in message ...
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:48:12 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Baruch." $PAM came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

OK, but were these flights at sea level? I think maybe Bart's contention
is
that the speed is impossible at sea level - though I can't for the life
of
me imagine why he thinks that...

3,848 ft above sea level. Which means the air pressure is 0.999.

No difference, really.
--
Respectfully, I question your figure of 0.999. When I am in an elevator
that goes only a few hundred feet, I notice a change in pressure within my
ears. I doubt whether my ears are sensitive enough to detect a change of
less than 0.1%.

Also, ordinary changes in air pressure from weather are fare greater than
0.999.

I don't know the facts about atmospheric pressure, but I am fairly certain
that my comments are relevant...

I am also fairly certain that "0.999" is wrong...


If you know of some information that suggests otherwise, could you kindly
point it out to me? Thanks...

On 26 Feb 2004 09:57:38 -0800, (bart
janssens) wrote:

"Baruch." $PAM wrote in message ...
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:48:12 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Baruch." $PAM came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

OK, but were these flights at sea level? I think maybe Bart's contention
is
that the speed is impossible at sea level - though I can't for the life
of
me imagine why he thinks that...

3,848 ft above sea level. Which means the air pressure is 0.999.

No difference, really.
--
Respectfully, I question your figure of 0.999. When I am in an elevator
that goes only a few hundred feet, I notice a change in pressure within my
ears. I doubt whether my ears are sensitive enough to detect a change of
less than 0.1%.

Also, ordinary changes in air pressure from weather are fare greater than
0.999.

I don't know the facts about atmospheric pressure, but I am fairly certain
that my comments are relevant...

I am also fairly certain that "0.999" is wrong...

And I'm fairly certain you're wrong (again). FYI, the current world
*land* speed record stands at 766.109 mph, set in 1997 by Richard
Noble and Andy Green at Black Rock Desert, north of Reno, Nevada. That
converts to 1232.93 kph. You lose.




If you know of some information that suggests otherwise, could you kindly
point it out to me? Thanks...

"Religion is sort of like wearing lifts in your shoes. If
it makes you feel better about yourself, fine. I don't
have a problem with that. Just don't ask me to wear your
shoes."

~ George Carlin ~

aa #1898
BAAWA Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade

On 26 Feb 2004 09:57:38 -0800, (bart
janssens) wrote:

"Baruch." $PAM wrote in message ...
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:48:12 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Baruch." $PAM came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

OK, but were these flights at sea level? I think maybe Bart's contention
is
that the speed is impossible at sea level - though I can't for the life
of
me imagine why he thinks that...

3,848 ft above sea level. Which means the air pressure is 0.999.

No difference, really.
--
Respectfully, I question your figure of 0.999. When I am in an elevator
that goes only a few hundred feet, I notice a change in pressure within my
ears. I doubt whether my ears are sensitive enough to detect a change of
less than 0.1%.

Also, ordinary changes in air pressure from weather are fare greater than
0.999.

I don't know the facts about atmospheric pressure, but I am fairly certain
that my comments are relevant...

I am also fairly certain that "0.999" is wrong...

And I'm fairly certain you're wrong (again). FYI, the current world
*land* speed record stands at 766.109 mph, set in 1997 by Richard
Noble and Andy Green at Black Rock Desert, north of Reno, Nevada. That
converts to 1232.93 kph. You lose.




If you know of some information that suggests otherwise, could you kindly
point it out to me? Thanks...

"Religion is sort of like wearing lifts in your shoes. If
it makes you feel better about yourself, fine. I don't
have a problem with that. Just don't ask me to wear your
shoes."

~ George Carlin ~

aa #1898
BAAWA Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade

John Baker wrote in message . ..
On 26 Feb 2004 09:57:38 -0800, (bart
janssens) wrote:

"Baruch." $PAM wrote in message ...
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:48:12 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Baruch." $PAM came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

OK, but were these flights at sea level? I think maybe Bart's contention
is
that the speed is impossible at sea level - though I can't for the life
of
me imagine why he thinks that...

3,848 ft above sea level. Which means the air pressure is 0.999.

No difference, really.
--
Respectfully, I question your figure of 0.999. When I am in an elevator
that goes only a few hundred feet, I notice a change in pressure within my
ears. I doubt whether my ears are sensitive enough to detect a change of
less than 0.1%.

Also, ordinary changes in air pressure from weather are fare greater than
0.999.

I don't know the facts about atmospheric pressure, but I am fairly certain
that my comments are relevant...

I am also fairly certain that "0.999" is wrong...

And I'm fairly certain you're wrong (again). FYI, the current world
*land* speed record stands at 766.109 mph, set in 1997 by Richard
Noble and Andy Green at Black Rock Desert, north of Reno, Nevada. That
converts to 1232.93 kph. You lose.

We are speaking about...
the air pressure is 0.999.

John Baker wrote in message . ..
On 26 Feb 2004 09:57:38 -0800, (bart
janssens) wrote:

"Baruch." $PAM wrote in message ...
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:48:12 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Baruch." $PAM came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

OK, but were these flights at sea level? I think maybe Bart's contention
is
that the speed is impossible at sea level - though I can't for the life
of
me imagine why he thinks that...

3,848 ft above sea level. Which means the air pressure is 0.999.

No difference, really.
--
Respectfully, I question your figure of 0.999. When I am in an elevator
that goes only a few hundred feet, I notice a change in pressure within my
ears. I doubt whether my ears are sensitive enough to detect a change of
less than 0.1%.

Also, ordinary changes in air pressure from weather are fare greater than
0.999.

I don't know the facts about atmospheric pressure, but I am fairly certain
that my comments are relevant...

I am also fairly certain that "0.999" is wrong...

And I'm fairly certain you're wrong (again). FYI, the current world
*land* speed record stands at 766.109 mph, set in 1997 by Richard
Noble and Andy Green at Black Rock Desert, north of Reno, Nevada. That
converts to 1232.93 kph. You lose.

We are speaking about...
the air pressure is 0.999.

And, you have still not shown that you are a scientist
rather than a priest. I will ask you yet again:

What evidence will convince you that orbital satellites
exist? If you have no answer, you are not seeking scientifically.
What evidence would falsify your hypotesis that there are no
man-made satellites in orbit?

VISUAL OBSERVATION, AIDED WITH A TELESCOOP,
so that I can see that "the thing" is
NOT a "ET-ROCK", ie a "Extra-Terrestrial Rock"
but a real ROCK-ET"...
Helas, all the people of the "observatoria"
f.i. "volks-sterrenwacht" admit that you
can NOT SEE the difference...so...


What evidence will convince you that a person has gone faster than
1.200KPH at sea-level, if nobody has reached more than 600KPH?
So, YOU must be a priest or a (rethro-)Prophet to believe that the
sound-barrier is broken at sea-level?

And, you have still not shown that you are a scientist
rather than a priest. I will ask you yet again:

What evidence will convince you that orbital satellites
exist? If you have no answer, you are not seeking scientifically.
What evidence would falsify your hypotesis that there are no
man-made satellites in orbit?

VISUAL OBSERVATION, AIDED WITH A TELESCOOP,
so that I can see that "the thing" is
NOT a "ET-ROCK", ie a "Extra-Terrestrial Rock"
but a real ROCK-ET"...
Helas, all the people of the "observatoria"
f.i. "volks-sterrenwacht" admit that you
can NOT SEE the difference...so...


What evidence will convince you that a person has gone faster than
1.200KPH at sea-level, if nobody has reached more than 600KPH?
So, YOU must be a priest or a (rethro-)Prophet to believe that the
sound-barrier is broken at sea-level?

Lo, many moons past, on 4 Mar 2004 07:58:41 -0800, a stranger called
by some (bart janssens) came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism

And, you have still not shown that you are a scientist
rather than a priest. I will ask you yet again:

What evidence will convince you that orbital satellites
exist? If you have no answer, you are not seeking scientifically.
What evidence would falsify your hypotesis that there are no
man-made satellites in orbit?

VISUAL OBSERVATION, AIDED WITH A TELESCOOP,
so that I can see that "the thing" is
NOT a "ET-ROCK", ie a "Extra-Terrestrial Rock"
but a real ROCK-ET"...
Helas, all the people of the "observatoria"
f.i. "volks-sterrenwacht" admit that you
can NOT SEE the difference...so...

That's so bloody simple, I can do it one night's observation. Let me
know when you'll be in the San Francisco Bay Area.

What evidence will convince you that a person has gone faster than
1.200KPH at sea-level, if nobody has reached more than 600KPH?
So, YOU must be a priest or a (rethro-)Prophet to believe that the
sound-barrier is broken at sea-level?

I've posted the evidence. You ignored it.
--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"