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The Ion Interstellar Spaceship, from Hell to Sirius
Taking further note, that radon gas has been officially identified as
the primary cause of 21,000 lung cancer deaths per year in America alone, and we're not even as nearly at risk as other more radium/radon saturated areas around the planet, thereby we can safely extrapolate our 21,000 deaths caused by radon to a global annual death via such lung cancer impact rate of 462,000 per year, especially of populations having to live on or worse yet below ground level, not to mention having to work in poorly ventilated mines. In epidemic or pandemic terms, even 462 global deaths/year from a recently discovered toxin or nasty microbe should be extremely alarming, but oddly 462,000 deaths/year after year from the direct affects via radium/radon trauma is not given so much as a mainstream hoot worth of consideration, except of whatever's of less than 0.01% of the global population apparently doesn't count as long as the fossil and yellowcake industry gets to go on its marry way. Perhaps if Radon were given the same attention as the drug-resistant MRSA Staphylococcus or of that hybrid TB, as such we could see a positive trend towards nailing down these preventable public exposures to Radon that's anything but DNA friendly. Of course our relentless fossil fuel drilling extractions, of mining fossil solids and of various transporting, processing and the final consumption that unavoidably deposits such raw elements as radium and thus places a continuous supply of radon production into our surface environment, via the mostly invisible soot of combustion that includes CO2 and NOx that's laced with picoscopic but still lethal particles of radium/radon isn't exactly helping, especially since little if any efforts are made to extract hardly any of the radium prior to combustion or even much less from the vest bulk of exhaust which covers and unavoidably pollutes our entire global environment from sea to sea and from top to bottom, as well as global dimming and boosting those levels of CO2 and NOx. So, it's all rather odd that the all-knowing folks like our William Mook (aka willie.moo) seem as though entirely unconcerned as to these artificially introduced toxins of radium/radon, that represents such a well-known lung cancer causing element that's existing in nature as well as getting so freely exposed and even pumped into our frail environment, instead of such radium being easily identified, gathered up and properly utilized in a perfectly safe and highly energy efficient application on behalf of ion thrusters. Of course the same argument of our policy of having ignored the "waste-not want-not" aspects of 3He that's also continually going to waste, all because it too hasn't been extracted from surface minerals or from fossil fuels prior to their consumption and mostly unfiltered exhaust, that which merely vents all such 3He into our polluted atmosphere. Another undesirable element that's polluting our environment and killing us off is good old mercury, of which this too could be utilized as a inactive or passive resource of ions. Is it just myself that cares about the future of humanity and of most all other life on Earth, via salvaging our frail environment that's getting itself industrially traumatized before our mostly "no child left behind" dumbfounded nation of village idiots, while at the same time doing perfectly good and nifty off-world things with radium/radon and even mercury? . - Brad Guth On Apr 16, 1:00 pm, BradGuth wrote: Rn222 atoms are another one of those pesky 'use it' or 'lose it' kind of things. Seems whenever I do my best at uncovering the potential worth of such matters, lo and behold shortly thereafter the Googol/ NOVA Usenet group server bites the dust. ("GOOGLE Server Error" I'm terribly sorry about that) In trying to accomplish my very own math without the help or supposed good wisdom of the all-knowing likes of William Mook, whereas there could be some unintentional errors or even somewhat dyslexic consequences to my deductive but otherwise wishful mindset. So, with your better math and expertise, perhaps contributing whatever comes to your trained mind is what this topic of interstellar ion thrusting needs. If upon average there were merely 150e6 atoms of Rn222 per m3 of air, seems to suggest that a good amount of Ra226 can't be all that too far away. In places the intensity or occurrence of Ra226 that's creating such atoms of Ra222 is of course much greater than 150e6/m3, primarily because radon is a heavy gas is why it hugs the surface or underground at much greater occurrence or population by a good hundred fold = 1.5e10/m3, meaning that in many places the background raw element of Radium(Ra226) is hard at work in the natural decay process, as is naturally making enough Rn222 available for creating and sustaining a good supply of commercial liquid radon (LRn222) for ion thrust applications, into a very doable thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon "At standard temperature and pressure, radon forms a monoatomic gas with a density of 9.73 kg/m3, about 8 times the surface density of the Earth's atmosphere, 1.217 kg/m3, and is one of the heaviest gases at room temperature and the heaviest of the noble gases (excluding ununoctium). At standard temperature and pressure radon is a colorless gas, but when it is cooled below its freezing point (202 K ; -71 °C ; -96 °F) it has a brilliant phosphorescence which turns yellow as the temperature is lowered, and becomes orange-red at the temperatures air liquefies (below 93 K ; -180 °C). Upon condensation, radon also glows because of the intense radiation it produces." "At standard temperature and pressure, radon forms a monoatomic gas with a density of 9.73 kg/m3" "Radon collects over samples of radium 226 at the rate of around 0.001 cm3/day per g of radium." Therefore, per kg of Ra226 you'll get 1 cm3/day, and per tonne of Ra226 you'll obtain a liter of Rn222 that's worth 9.73 mg, of which doesn't sound like all that much until it's made to exit the ion thruster a 0.5 c, or roughly 150,000 km/s = 219 TN.m or TJ (teraJoules), or if you like 23.34e12 kgf.m of reactive force. Taking this one down to the amount of available ion thrust as formulated upon a continuous thrusting basis, as per fully utilizing that amount of 9.73 mg in Rn222 that's being continually produced per day from a given tonne of radium, that can then be made to produce 23.34e12 kgf.m, whereas if this reactive force were divided by 8.64e4 = 2.7014e8 kgf.s (same as 270.14 thousand tonnes of force per second), of which can further suggest that we might not require nearly as much Ra226 within the breeder reactor of what's creating LRn222, as you might think. Keeping in mind that a reactor core of merely one tonne of Radium (Ra226) isn't even terribly volumetric, although a conventional Thorium reactor as started up with a few rods of Pu238 would likely have to go along for the ride, and as such it too creates a small amount of Radium as the natural process of its decay. So, all and all, there's hardly any shortage of those Rn222 atoms as becoming nifty ions that our electrified thruster/laser cannons can toss out the rear at the 0.5 'c' velocity of 150,000 km/s, eventually giving us the potential 75,000 km/s worth of added trek velocity to our interstellar craft or robotic probe(s). Obviously the existing R&D as to this ion exit velocity is a good thousand fold away from hitting the150,000 km/s mark. However, in a laser cannon pumped format is where such highly energized ions of Rn222 that can be so nicely and efficiently focused or aligned into merging along with the laser beam formulated conduit, as such might reach this goal, if not a little better. This was another one of my 'use it' or 'lose it' mindset notions, as to the likes of utilizing Radium and of the secondary Radon that's already highly charged and going places as is. Seems a darn shame to continually ignore or otherwise waste such a good thing. If you can add a little something in the way of corrections or merely being topic constructive and thus technically informative, have at it. . -BradGuth Rn222 atoms are another one of those pesky 'use it' or 'lose it' kind of things. In trying to accomplish my very own math without the help or supposed good wisdom of the all-knowing likes of William Mook, whereas there could be some unintentional errors or even somewhat dyslexic consequences to my deductive but otherwise wishful mindset. So, with your better math and expertise, perhaps contributing whatever comes to your trained mind is what this topic of interstellar ion thrusting needs. If upon average there were merely 150e6 atoms of Rn222 per m3 of air, seems to suggest that a good amount of Ra226 can't be all that too far away. In places the intensity or occurrence of Ra226 that's creating such atoms of Ra222 is of course much greater than 150e6/m3, primarily because radon is a heavy gas is why it hugs the surface or underground at much greater occurrence or population by a good hundred fold = 1.5e10/m3, meaning that in many places the background raw element of Radium(Ra226) is hard at work in the natural decay process, as is naturally making enough Rn222 available for creating and sustaining a good supply of commercial liquid radon (LRn222) for ion thrust applications, into a very doable thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon "At standard temperature and pressure, radon forms a monoatomic gas with a density of 9.73 kg/m3, about 8 times the surface density of the Earth's atmosphere, 1.217 kg/m3, and is one of the heaviest gases at room temperature and the heaviest of the noble gases (excluding ununoctium). At standard temperature and pressure radon is a colorless gas, but when it is cooled below its freezing point (202 K ; -71 °C ; -96 °F) it has a brilliant phosphorescence which turns yellow as the temperature is lowered, and becomes orange-red at the temperatures air liquefies (below 93 K ; -180 °C). Upon condensation, radon also glows because of the intense radiation it produces." "At standard temperature and pressure, radon forms a monoatomic gas with a density of 9.73 kg/m3" "Radon collects over samples of radium 226 at the rate of around 0.001 cm3/day per g of radium." Therefore, per kg of Ra226 you'll get 1 cm3/day, and per tonne of Ra226 you'll obtain a liter of Rn222 that's worth 9.73 mg, of which this doesn't sound like all that much until it's made to exit the ion thruster a 0.5 c, or roughly 150,000 km/s = 219 TN.m or TJ (teraJoules), or if you like 23.34e12 kgf.m of reactive force. Taking this one down to the amount of available ion thrust as formulated upon a continuous thrusting basis, as per fully utilizing that amount of 9.73 mg in Rn222 that's being continually produced per day from a given tonne of radium, that which can then be made to produce 23.34e12 kgf.m, whereas if this reactive force were divided by 8.64e4 = 2.7014e8 kgf.s (same as 270.14 thousand tonnes of force per second), of which can further suggest that we might not require nearly as much Ra226 within the breeder reactor of what's creating LRn222, as you might think. Keeping in mind that a reactor core of merely one tonne of Radium (Ra226) isn't even terribly volumetric demanding, although a conventional Thorium reactor as started up with a few rods of Pu238 would likely have to go along for the ride, and as such it too creates a small amount of Radium as the natural process of its decay. So, all and all, there's hardly any shortage of those Rn222 atoms as becoming nifty ions that our electrified thruster/laser cannons can toss out the rear at the 0.5 'c' velocity of 150,000 km/s, eventually giving us the potential 75,000 km/s worth of added trek velocity to our interstellar craft or robotic probe(s). Obviously the existing R&D as to this ion exit velocity is a good thousand fold away from hitting the150,000 km/s mark. However, in a laser cannon pumped format is where such highly energized ions of Rn222 that can be so nicely and efficiently focused or aligned into merging along with the laser beam formulated conduit, as such might reach this goal, if not a little better. Keep in mind that this concept was another one of my 'use it' or 'lose it' mindset notions, as to the likes of utilizing the 1650 half life of Radium and of the secondary Radon that's already highly charged and going places as is. Seems a darn shame to continually ignore or otherwise waste such a good thing. If you can add a little something in the way of technical or math corrections, or merely being topic constructive and thus technically informative, have at it. . - Brad Guth |
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The Ion Interstellar Spaceship, from Hell to Sirius
For what it's worth, the "Ion Interstellar Spaceship" topic/rant is
not about another method of putting stuff into LEO, or even for getting whatever to/from our moon's L1, not that some degree of reactive thrust via ions couldn't be so accommodated without ever hurting a terrestrial flea. Much the same as 3He, Rn222 atoms are yet another one of those pesky 'use it' or 'lose it' kind of things. However, it seems whenever I do my best at uncovering the potential worth of such matters, lo and behold shortly thereafter the Google/NOVA Usenet group server bites the dust ("GOOGLE Server Error") and for the most part I'm terribly sorry about that, or that my topics attract the likes of those Semitic Third Reich actions from all the pretend-atheists overreacting in their usual brown-nosed clown like swarm of killer-bee intentions. With passive xenon ions accelerated to the exit velocity of 48 km/s, as based upon an acceleration charge of merely 1.58 KeV, by itself seems to suggest that taking advantage of the existing 5.6 MeV charge of the Rn222 ion is (if all other things being equal) going to yield 170,019 km/s, of which this is unlikely since the Rn222 ion has considerably greater mass, plus the matter of 0.5'c' should become the upper most threshold as to how fast of an ion exit velocity can be artificially achieved without the use of antimatter or that of having to create artificial black holes. Unlike a frozen mass of xenon, Rn222 atoms are clearly another one of those pesky 'use it' or 'lose it' kind of things, with less than a 4 day half-life doesn't exactly give whatever cache of LRn222/Rn222 a good shelf life. But that doesn't mean or much less require that such a supply of Rn222 should be continually ignored and otherwise freely disposed of. In trying to accomplish my very own math without the help or supposed good wisdom of the all-knowing likes of William Mook, whereas there could be some unintentional errors or even somewhat dyslexic consequences to my less than perfect sense of deductive but otherwise wishful mindset. So, along with your better math and expertise, perhaps contributing whatever comes to your trained mind is what this topic of interstellar ion thrusting needs. If upon average there were merely 150e6 atoms of Rn222/m3 of air, seems to suggest that a good amount of Ra226 can't be all that too far away. In places the intensity or occurrence of Ra226 that's creating such a continuous supply of Ra222 is of course much greater than 150e6/ m3, primarily because the element of radon represents itself as a heavy gas is why it hugs the surface or keeps itself underground at much greater occurrence or population by a good hundred fold = 1.5e10/ m3, meaning that in many places the background raw element of Radium(Ra226) is hard at work in the natural decay process as is, making enough Rn222 atoms available (as great as 1e12/m3) for creating and sustaining a good supply of the commercial liquid stored radon (LRn222) for ion thrust applications into a very technically doable thing, especially if enough LRn222 could be made available for the upper or 3rd stage on behalf of safely getting large amounts of tonnage away from LEO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon "At standard temperature and pressure, radon forms a monoatomic gas with a density of 9.73 kg/m3, about 8 times the surface density of the Earth's atmosphere, 1.217 kg/m3, and is one of the heaviest gases at room temperature and the heaviest of the noble gases (excluding ununoctium). At standard temperature and pressure radon is a colorless gas, but when it is cooled below its freezing point (202 K ; -71 °C ; -96 °F) it has a brilliant phosphorescence which turns yellow as the temperature is lowered, and becomes orange-red at the temperatures air liquefies (below 93 K ; -180 °C). Upon condensation, radon also glows because of the intense radiation it produces." "At standard temperature and pressure, radon forms a monoatomic gas with a density of 9.73 kg/m3" "Radon collects over samples of radium 226 at the rate of around 0.001 cm3/day per g of radium." Therefore, per kg of Ra226 you'll get 1 cm3/day, and per thousand kg or per tonne of Ra226 you'll obtain a liter of Rn222 that's worth 9.73 mg, of which this doesn't sound like all that much until it's made to exit the ion thruster a 0.5 c, or roughly 150,000 km/s = 219 TN.m or 218 TJ (teraJoules), or if you like 23.34e12 kgf.m of reactive force. Taking this argument down to the amount of available ion thrust as formulated upon delivering a continuous thrusting basis, as per fully utilizing that amount of 9.73 mg in Rn222 that's being continually reproduced while on the fly per day from a given tonne of radium, that which can then be made to produce 23.34e12 kgf.m, whereas if this reactive force were divided by 8.64e4 = 2.7014e8 kgf.s (same as 270.14 thousand tonnes of force per second), of which can further suggest that we might not require nearly as much Ra226 within the breeder reactor of what's creating LRn222 as you might think, even if our interstellar spacecraft combined mass were that of 270,000 tonnes is still suggesting one gee worth of continuous acceleration. Keeping in mind that a reactor core of merely one tonne of Radium (Ra226) isn't terribly volumetric demanding, although a conventional Thorium reactor as started up with a few rods of Pu238 would likely have to go along for the ride in order to pump out the required energy for boosting the exit velocity of those hefty and very reactive Rn222 ions, and as such it too creates a small amount of Radium as the natural process of thorium decay. So, all and all, there's hardly any shortage of those Rn222 atoms as becoming ions that our electrified thruster and ion pumped laser cannons can toss out the rear at the 0.5 'c' velocity of 150,000 km/s, eventually giving our headway of SOA(speed of advance) the potential worth of 75,000 km/s in added trek velocity to our interstellar craft or robotic probe(s). Obviously the existing R&D as to this ion exit velocity is currently a good thousand fold away from hitting the150,000 km/s mark. However, in a laser cannon pumped format is where such highly energized ions of Rn222 that can be so nicely and efficiently focused or aligned into merging along with the laser beam formulated conduit, as such might reach this goal, if not conceivably a little better. Keep in mind that this concept was another one of my 'use it' or 'lose it' mindset notions, as to the likes of our utilizing the 1650 year half-life of Radium, and of our not wasting the secondary Radon that's already highly charged and going places as is, because it all seems a darn shame to continually ignore or otherwise waste such a good thing. If you can add a little something in the way of technical or math corrections, or merely being topic constructive and thus technically informative, have at it. . - Brad Guth On Mar 25, 11:06 pm, BradGuth wrote: On Feb 7, 10:40 am, BradGuth wrote: What if instead of our going with whatever's small, extremely cheap, fast and rad-hard robotic, what if going with larger is nearly always better? Perhaps this new and improved topic of "Building Spaceships" for accommodating us frail humans on interstellar treks, and of those multi generation habitat spacecraft being extensively ion thrusted, along with the wizardly help of William Mook and those few of us unafraid of whatever's out there, as such may be a little easier said than done, not to mention folks having to deal with my dyslexic encryption and frequent typos that can't always manage to keep those numbers or terminology half straight. Perhaps such a large scale ion thrusted spacecraft isn't quite as insurmountable as we've been told, and it's not that a pair or quad worth of substantial LRBs would not have to help get this rather substantial package off the pad (in modules if need be, and assembled at the moon's L1). However, upon launch and of once reaching the cool upper most atmosphere is where the potential of ion thrusting could start to contribute w/o Radon saturating Earth in the process, and obviously from whatever LEO point onward is where the real potential of ion thrust becomes impressive, especially since this method of electro-rocket thrust can be sustained for as long as the given cache of ions and electrical energy holds out. (with radium-radon there's a failsafe worth of 1600+ years before reaching half-life, so there's never a total lack of those Rn222 alpha/ions, and there's even some electron energy derived from the Radium-Rn breeder reactor) Given a sufficient cache of hefty ions and a sufficient onboard supply of electron energy for artificially accelerating and redirecting those ions into a narrow exit trajectory, and if this thrust is the direct result of a given ion flow rate or mass of whatever ion particles per second times the exit velocity squared, as then where's the insurmountable problem, other than your not standing anywhere behind those ion thrusters. Radon just so happens to make for a very good cache of substantially massive ions that are already quite active/reactive and supposedly going places as is, at roughly 1.63e7 m/sec. Liquid Radon or LRn222 represents a nifty fluid cache of a easily stored concentration of Radon gas (though because of its short half-life it's still very much one of those use it or lose it substances, with possibly an extended life within a near solid 0 K storage), of which I believe this cache of Rn222 can be electrically induced or excited into exiting this ion thruster at a velocity as great as 0.1'c' (perhaps an exit velocity of 0.5'c' is technically doable if we're talking about a radon pumped laser cannon). Similar to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_eng....soton.ac.uk/4... Our lord all-knowing (aka World FactBook) Mook says; "Check it out" Here is how much thrust a rocket engine produces; F = mdot * Ve where mdot = mass flow rate, as kg/sec Ve = exhaust speed m/sec F = force (newtons) kg m/sec/sec Here is how much power a rocket engine's jet produces P = 1/2 * mdot * Ve^2 That is, the rate at which energy must be added to the exhaust jet is the kinetic energy of the parts. - - - - Of course this is not about any Mook passive alpha particle directing application, instead taking efficiency of the overall electrical and ion tossing system into account (such as thermal energy losses) adds to this existing amount of ion worth via applied electrical and magnetic energy that'll focus and accelerate those ions. So, it is not nearly as simple to express as one as Mook might suggest. However, at the notion of our getting rid of this initial tonne worth of our liquid cache of LRn222, at the ion mass flow rate of 1 kg/s, whereas the kinetic power or energy worth of thrust supposedly becomes: If the 1 kg/s flow of Rn ions and the exit Ve were made as great as 10%'c' = 3e7 m/s P = .5 * 9e14 = 4.5e14 kgf At utilizing this ion exit velocity of 0.1'c' (3e7 m/s) A metric tonne of LRn that'll essentially become just plain old Rn gas of pure Rn222 ions, at using up one kg/s = 1000 seconds worth of creating 4.5e14 kgf, of which this substance would push a 4.5e12 kg (4.5 gigatonne) spacecraft at 100 gee in relationship to the gravity at the surface of Earth. At the more realistic ion exit velocity of 1% light speed is 0.01'c' (3e6 m/s) A metric tonne of LRn that'll essentially become just plain old Rn gas of pure Rn222 ions, at using one kg/s = 1000 seconds worth of 4.5e12 kgf, of which would push a 4.5e10 kg (45 megatonne) spacecraft at 100 gee in relationship to gravity at the surface of Earth. Of course the 45 megatonne spacecraft isn't hardly any more likely than human DNA or whatever spacecraft structurally surviving 100 gee. So, to start off with we'd likely have ourselves a whole lot smaller than 45 megatonne spacecraft, such as perhaps only as great as 4.5 megatonnes that'll exit away from Earth at perhaps as great as 10 gee, then once 10r (63,730 km and just 1% Earth gravity) is reached, whereas this is when the ion exit velocity could be safely punched up from 0.001'c' to 0.01'c', and eventually the maximum of 0.1'c' could be applied to as little as using a gram of Rn222 per second, because at 0.1'c' or better exit velocity is where you really do not require all that much mass flow per second. 0.1% light speed is 0.001'c' = 3e5 m/s 1 kg/sec at 3e5 m/s = .5 * 9e10 = 4.5e10 kgf 4.5e10 kgf would push a 4.5e6 tonne spacecraft along at 10 gee Using a gram/sec: 4.5e7 kgf would push a 4.5e6 tonne spacecraft along at 0.1 gee I believe that 1000 seconds of 10 gee acceleration is worth 78.4 km/s, though of course we'd be past the 10r of Earth within the first 600 seconds, and thereby able to ion whiz past that 78.4 km/s mark like it was standing still. This next part is often where my math takes yet another nose dive, but since I do not have the fly-by-rocket software and none others that claim as always being all-knowing are seldom willing to share, is why I'll just have to make do, especially since even the warm and fuzzy likes of Mook always takes the lowest road possible in order diminish and/or disqualify whatever isn't of his idea to start off with, excluding just enough of the good stuff in order to foil any further thought process. The required energy for a given thousand seconds worth of accelerating those Rn222 ions up to 3e5 m/s isn't exactly insignificant, demanding perhaps at least 245.2 GW.h (8.826 e14 J) for accommodating all 16.7 minutes worth of ion thrust. However, due to the overall efficiency of this energy transfer into accelerating those Rn ions is why it'll more than likely demand somewhat greater energy for accomplishing this task of tossing out the entire tonne worth those Rn222 alpha ions at the rate of one kg/s, even if that's initially accomplished at this minimal 0.001"c". However, since the existing Rn alpha particle velocity is already self motivated at 1.6e7 m/s(.054'c'), perhaps along with given another 5.6 MeV boost is where the required energy can be limited as to whatever's necessary for accomplishing a good exit focus or creating that laser cannon like beam, in which case the required ion thruster energy could become relatively minimal for accomplishing an impressive exit ion velocity of 3.26e7 m/s. At times this spacecraft is going to require a hole lot more electrical energy than any cache of Radium to Radon reactor could manage at 32 kw/Ra tonne, or even 320 kw/breeder Ra tonne. However, at a gross spacecraft mass of 4.5e6 tonnes, there's no problem with incorporating an h2o2/aluminum fuel cell of 100 GW.h capacity, or accommodating whatever Lithium nanotube ion battery storage, nuclear reactors or fusion alternatives. Once trekking off into interstellar space, and especially upon getting this craft past our nearest interstellar L1, and of the other gravity pulling us towards the likes of the relatively massive Sirius star/ solar system that we're already in blueshift as headed towards Sirius, as this is when as little as a mdot microgram/sec of Rn222 at the exit velocity of 0.2'c' would be more than sufficient ion thrust for continually accelerating this 4.5e6 tonne spacecraft towards the gravity pull of Sirius. For a one microgram/sec of Rn222 mdot at 0.2'c' example: P = .5e-9 * 3.6e15 = 1.5e6 kgf (1,500 tonnes/s of thrust, or in this case 0.000333 gee) The next problem gets down to the business of continually building up another cache of LRn from the Ra-Rn breeder reactor while on the fly, on behalf of that pesky matter of our having to ion retrothrust long before overshooting the intended target. At 4.5e9 kg, stopping this sucker that's by now going like a bat out of hell (possibly having reached 0.1'c') is going to take some doings. Of course, there would be generations of new and improved minds onboard in order to figure most of this out before arriving into the Sirius star/solar system, not to mention whatever could have been transmitted from Earth over the past century. BTW, at this point of topic argument sake, this mission to Sirius is a one way ticket to ride, with absolutely no travel package guaranties or ticket refunds allowed, because we may not be able to sufficiently retrothrust in order to save any of those brave souls, and a purely gravity-well trajectory turn-around or that of sufficiently aerobraking is at best iffy, although a substantial solar wind parachute as brake might eventually work. Also, recall the sheer size of these required ion thrust nacelles, as being somewhat Star Trek Enterprise like, and for all we know in need of those lithium crystals or perhaps lithium nanotubes as part of their function (after all, any good science fiction uses the regular laws of physics and the best available science, and for all we know lithium could still be part of it). . - Brad Guth I've top-posted for the ongoing benefit of others trying to decode my dyslexic encrypted topic of accomplishing interstellar treks via ion thrusting. Unfortunately, you'll have to filter out all of the usual gauntlet worth of topic/author stalking and bashings as found within the alt.astronomy and of a few other groups that think this is all too funny. . - Brad Guth |
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The Ion Interstellar Spaceship, from Hell to Sirius
As per usual, the often out-of-context flow of technical information
from lord Mook that’s nearly always very interesting and seemingly of doable stuff (99.9% or better as having been created by others), but only as long as lord Mook is put in charge of everything, and for the rest of us to merely ponder as to what are the odds of that ever happening, seems rather astronomical to think that our NASA replacement could ever become safely managed by such a bipolar wizard. In spite of what’s being told about myself (mostly in a highly negative light) I must be doing more than a little something right, as why otherwise all the brown-nosed clownism of the mainstream status quo, as clearly outfitted and/or orchestrated into such a Borg like swarm of having devoted their full worth of damage-control, of which this insider gauntlet of topic/author stalking and bashing even gives our lord all-knowing Mook either their icy cold shoulder or some of the very same warm and fuzzy flak that I get to deal with. “Radioisotope rockets have been developed and built and studied thoroughly. Not the direct use of the alpha particles however.”/Mook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_rocket Ion thrusters typically require a good amount of applied electron energy for accelerating those commonly passive ions of xenon gas, however the already highly charged ions of radioactive isotopes are quite another thing, that which may only need to be directed towards the exit and past the final acceleration grids of each ion thruster, whereas this should by rights result in a considerable thrust improvement per joule of applied energy. If need be, the likes of radium itself or perhaps mercury could be laser vaporized into ions, although the Rn222 element seems of having a far better energy charge of nearly 5.6 MeV to start off with, and since we’ll not be requiring all that much in the way of these highly charged alpha ions is where the natural decay process or breeder reactor as having that tonne of radium which unavoidably gives off the 9.73 mg/day of radon gas seems more than good enough to consider for this ‘waste not, want not’ task of feeding our ion thrusters. With the nuclear fly-by-rocket expertise of lord all-knowing Mook, that runs most everything as though somewhat like a bipolar black hole (meaning everything goes in and hardly if anything usable ever comes out unless the all-knowing mindset of Mook implodes upon himself and creates a new galaxy), except that our wizard Mook extensively runs almost exclusively on his very own special superiority kind of bipolar nayism, so that only that of his ulterior or bipolar mindset is what matters, and perhaps otherwise by a few others contributing on behalf of their using various other controlled nuclear detonation and/or of the much safer fusion derived options, plus there’s always that of my pesky notions for making use of those radioactive decay derived ions (such as from a reactor core of Ra226--LRn222 or via any number of alternatives) that'll result in becoming a long term supply of those nearly effortlessly directed and otherwise easily focused ions, as further accelerated by the least amount of applied electron energy, as for causing such hefty and highly charged ions to go away from those thrust emitters at terrific velocity is what seems entirely doable as is. Unfortunately, if it's the least bit outside the box of whatever's currently invested, as into those more conventional methods of thrusting is why it's probably not ever going to happen, at least not of any time soon. Fly me not quite to the moon: Of getting large amounts of tonnage to the moon’s L1 is not actually about having to go fast, especially if given a lunar month per each deployment would cut those fly-by-rocket demands per tonne considerably, as each payload of whatever tonnage would coast ever so gently into the moon’s L1 at perhaps 1 m/s. Of course whenever having to go extremely fast, such as trekking off to other worlds and of their moons (especially of those belonging to another solar system), is perhaps only a third of the start to finish task, because slowing down along with the advancing pull of the destination gravity that’ll be making retro-thrusting somewhat less effective is perhaps representing as much as the other 2/3 of the package deal. The strong exception would always be for coasting effortlessly into the moon's L1 at just one meter per second, whereas such a gravity-null or gravity-soft destination wouldn't require all that much reserve thrust for bringing a great deal of mass to a halt, and if the orbital placement and timing of this kind of deployment were accomplished exactly right, perhaps the moon L1 arrival could become managed at as little as 0.1 m/s, along with only relatively minor station-keeping adjustments for staying situated within this interactive halo of such a nearby gravity nullified zone. . - Brad Guth |
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