STOP IT Already, Ed! VESTED-INTEREST Critics of VELIKOVSKY

On 9 Sep 1997, (Jim Meritt) wrote
to alt.catastrophism (responding to Ed Conrad's
posting: "Now, let's see? WHERE were we?"):

In article ,
wrote...

Oh, yes!
Now I remember!
A few weeks ago, I politely asked if anyone out there could kindly
supply some none-rhetorical undisputable physical evidence that man
evolved from inhuman primates.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with catastrophism.

Sspamming again? shame!

James W. Meritt

Shame on YOU, James W. Meritt.
Guess we'll have to ask you to return all your Meritt badges.

So you feel the discovery of human bones, teeth and soft organs
between Carboniferous-dated coal veins "has absolutely nothing
to do with catastrophism."

I certainly beg to differ.

What, other than a catastrophe, could possibly be responsible for
millions upon million upon millions upon millions of petrified bones
-- based on the 80,000 (now probably 200,000) I personally have
discovered -- existing out of so-called geological context between
separate and distinct layers of anthracite?

Perhaps more importantly, why are the vast, vast majority of the
petrified bones -- human and non-human that I personally have
discovered in a radius of only a few square miles -- cleanly broken?

Why have cleanly broken bones -- in countless numbers, same as they
are between Pennsylvania's anthracite seams -- been discovered in many
different parts of the world?

What idiot would possibly say these broken bones, some sheared as
though with a butcher's cleaver, were gnawed by wild (and mighty big)
animals.

Meanwhile, who possibly would believe the scientific establishment's
etched-in-cement doctrine that imposes self-induced and
self-convenient time limits on the presence of man -- and even large
land animals -- on earth, when such propoganda is actually tied
together rather loosely with an almost total absence of cold, hard
facts?

Who, for a moment, can believe *anything* the scientific establishment
might say about the origin and ancestry of man, in the wake of my
pinpoint and quite accurate accuations since 1982 that it keeps
chugging along on a steady diet of deceit, dishonesty, collusion and
conspiracy?

Who can possibly believe the scientific doctrine that earth has never
experienced a catastrophe of the horrific scope described so
studiously and so eloquently by the late great Immanuel Velikovsky,
especially when the accuracy of his statements are borne out by
facts and let are shrugged off by science as nothing more than
geological abnormalities that can easily be explained?

Sorry, Mr. Merritt, I hate to say it. But, for the longest time, I
thought the folks over at alt.catastrophism had more common sense and
were much more objective and far less shortsighted than the skeptics
over at talk.origins where, unfortunately, I have to hang my hat.

But, then again, I guess it stands to reason that there's got to be a
rotten apple in every barrel.

Ed Conrad


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Immanuel Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision"
and "Earth in Upheaval" (in a nutshell)
(the final few graphs of the second of his mind-boggling books)

"Thus from the geological evidence we came to the conclusion
to which we had also arrived traveling the road of the historical
and literary traditions of the peoples of the world -- that the earth
repeatedly went through cataclysmic events on a global scale,
that the cause of these events was an extraterrestrial agent,
and that some of these cosmic catastrophes took place only
a few thousand years ago, in historical times.

Many worldwide phenomena, for each of which the cause is vainly
sought, are explained by a single cause: The sudden changes
of climate, transgression of the seas, vast volcanic and seismic
activities, formation of ice cover, pluvial crises, emergence of
mountains and their dislocation, rising and subsidence of coasts,
tilting of lakes, sedimentation, fossilization, the provenience of
tropical animals and plants in polar regions, conglomerates of fossils
of animals of various latitudes and habitat, the extinction of species
and genera, the appearance of new species, the reversal of the earth's
magnetic field, and a score of other world-wide phenemena.

As important as the "world catastrophes' conclusion is, it grows
in significance for almost very branch of science when, to the ensuing
question, "Of old or of recent time?" the answer is given, "Of old
and of recent."

There were global catastrophes in prehuman times, in prehistoric
times and in historical times.

We are descendants of survivors, themselves descendants
of survivors.

We read here a few pages from the logbook of the earth, a rock
rolling in space, circling with its attendant lifeless satellites
around a fire-breathing star, moving with this -- its primary --
and oher revolving planets through the galaxy of the Milky Way of
hundreds of millions of burning stars, and together with this entire
host, through the void of the universe."

ED CONRAD'S KEY DISCOVERIES IN A NUTSHELL

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GREATEST CONSPIRACY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
(Coal-Age Fossils Prove Man as Old as Coal)

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OLDEST HUMAN SKULL EVER FOUND

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z11calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/images/krogwskull.jpg

Wilton Krogman, one of the world's foremost experts
on human anatomy, holds what he had identified as
a petrified human calvarium, a skull with the eye
sockets broken off, that was discovered between
Pennsylvania's anthracite veins. He is shown at his
desk at the Cooper Clinic in Lancaster, Pa., where
moments later he beckoned a colleague -- a medical
doctor -- to examine "the oldest human skull ever
found."

A CATscan was performed on this specimen with
favorable results.

http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

Meanwhile, Haversian canals were identified in the
cell structue, the tell-tale sign of bone. And dried
blood was found on the specimen during testing at
American Medical Laboratories in Chantilly, Va.

This is the official report from AML which had
erformed Calculus Analysis by Crystallography.
The final report, dated April 21, 2000, was issued
by Dr. Nathan Sherman, director of laboratories.

"The specimen consists of 1 irregularly
shaped, brown calculus weighing less
than 0.0010 grams and measuring 1X1X0.5
mm. No nidus is observed. The calculi
indicates a composition of dried blood
intermingled with a few small crystals
resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z12calv.jpg

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z13cav.jpg


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OTHER PETRIFIED BONES, TEETH AND
SOFT ORGANS FOUND BETWEEN COAL VEINS

Here's a petrified human femur still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z8femur.jpg

Here's a petrified human finger, with fingernail:
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-011S.JPG

Here's a petrified human toe (with toe nail), found only
10-15 feet from the petrified finger.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-017S.JPG

Here are the petrified human finger and the petrified human
toe shown together.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-016S.JPG

Here's the specimen that Krogman identified as a tibia. It contains
Haversian canals, proof of bone, and dried blood was found on it
during American Medical Laboratory testing. This is the specimen
that was fraudulently tested by Andrew MacRae (who produced
microscopic photos of the cell structure of a rock on the false
pretext that he was showing the cell structure of this specimen).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/newtibia.jpg

This is the boulder containing the complete human skull.
Testing has confirmed the presence of Haversian canals
and American Medical Laboratories discovered it contains
dried blood.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg

Here's a petrified human mandible (frontal).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-002S.JPG

Here's a portion of a human mandible (side).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG

Here's a giant petrified tooth.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg

Here's a petrified dinosaur foot still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg

Here's a petrified fetus of some large animal.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/MVC-013F.JPG

Here's another petrified fetus, still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-005S.JPG

Here are several views of portion of a giant prehistoric
scorpion
identified as such by Krogman.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-010S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG

Here's a photo of the same portion of a petrified giant
scorpion -- found 22 years ago -- alongside one found just
weeks ago.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/SCORPIONS/MVC-039S.JPG

Here are two views of a piece of wood that appears to have
been handcarved for use as a tool or a weapon.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG

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SEM COMPARISON -- CADAVER BONE AND PETRIFIED TIBIA

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/more.htm

Here are two photos of the internal surface of bone
under 2,000X magnification. The first shows what cadaver
bone looks like, the second offers a view of the portion
of the petrified tibia.

(Hmmm! can you see that teeny-weeny mouse in the top
photo? Want we need is a teeny-weeny mousetrap I think
gen2rev can supply us with a teeny-weeny bit of cheese.)

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com