Stupid Naked Apes In This Newsgroup

OG wrote in article
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Possibly someone who has difficulty when people don't give her the same
acceptance and unconditional love and tolerance that she got from her
parents.

Normal human beings, you mean?

Personally I don't think this excuses the responses.

Reponses to being called stupid?

Why don't you guys just quit it? Or do you like writing off-topic and
insulting stuff to each other? In that case could you move it somewhere
else, like alt.flames or something similar if such a thing exists?

In my opinion the original question about Venera etc images was a valid
and interesting one. No need (on either side) to get upset about it...

And no, this was not aimed at anybody individually but rather everybody
writing to this and similar threads... And no, this does not require
anybody to answer, but rather just _think_ about it and act
accordingly. I think atleast most of us are adults..? Thank you..

Gee, I feel like a hippie. Peace and love, guys

Jarmo

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* DLR (The German Aerospace Center), Berlin
- Institute of Space Sensor Technology and Planetary Exploration

* email: jarmo DOT korteniemi AT oulu DOT fi
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"Flying _Naked_People" http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm wrote in
message ...
Ron Miller wrote in article

Most of what I found, I found either online or in readily available
books.
The only thing I did that was above and beyond the usual resources was
to
consult with Charles Vick...and he only served to confirm what I'd
already
discovered. I suspect that, given your response to the several experts
in
here, you probably would have challenged him as well.

And what is wrong with verifying things? Of course, there has to be a
point
where one accepts facts from what can be defined a reliable source. For
me, I
would verify Charles Vick existed, check the materials used and measured
their
heat resistance. What is wrong with doing that?

Nothing, up to a point. But would you find yourself doubting the veracity of
his materials? And how would you go about testing the heat resistance of
exotic aluminum alloys? There must be some point where you will accept
things.

That is just being argumentative, But even worse was this reply to
another
politely informative respondent:

POLITE?? Oh how cute.

No---there were a lot of rude postings to you, but the person you were
responding to in this case had not said anything untoward.

"Don't bother "answering" any of my questions with SPECIFICS which is
what
I'm
asking for. You CAN'T do it."

That sort of thing is deliberately provocative, let alone insulting, and
sure to get you the hostile responses you received.

Why did you LEAVE OUT the INSULTS that quote responded to?!? Here, ***I***
will repeat them as they show the attitude IN CONTEXT:

" You aren't just ignorant, you're stupid."
" Have you ever heard of mass spectrometers? Probably not."
"We are getting a very good idea of the level at which you "would think""

That was not me, at any rate.

But I can certainly see where this entire discussion got off on the wrong
tangent...and perhaps on both sides of the argument.

RM

"Flying _Naked_People" http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm wrote in
message ...
Why do you insist I'm trying to *prove* something??? I just want to know
if
Venus is being portrayed accurately. I ran into some things that seemed
highly
unlikable and challenged them. FORGET about the Lead thing!

[[[[[[[Snippage to save space and get to the point}}}}}}

What should you be called NOW?

Try "He who has plonked "Flying_Naked_People"

Have a great weekend.





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Ron Miller wrote in article
...

And what is wrong with verifying things? Of course, there has to be a
point
where one accepts facts from what can be defined a reliable source. For
me, I
would verify Charles Vick existed, check the materials used and measured
their
heat resistance. What is wrong with doing that?

Nothing, up to a point. But would you find yourself doubting the veracity of
his materials? And how would you go about testing the heat resistance of
exotic aluminum alloys? There must be some point where you will accept
things.

I agree. I would call "accepting" simply giving up. Or, if the information
resonates with something else that makes sense, then I would believe it. But
I'll tell you what, simply knowing that "stuff" exists that can withstand high
temperatures relaxes me. I can believe what was said to be on Venus actually
exists.

No---there were a lot of rude postings to you, but the person you were
responding to in this case had not said anything untoward.

That's more than likely true. I couldn't keep up with who was attacking me so
it seemed like everyone was doing it. The mob mentality - the victim hates
everybody.

But I can certainly see where this entire discussion got off on the wrong
tangent...and perhaps on both sides of the argument.

Hopefully all the mean know-it-alls will killfile me and won't respond to any
of my questions! And again, I thank you for responding, but this time for
giving me a second look and considering that I'm being genuine and not some
troll.

grrrr

RM

"Flying _Naked_People" http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm wrote in
message ...
Ron Miller wrote in article
...

Nothing, up to a point. But would you find yourself doubting the
veracity of
his materials? And how would you go about testing the heat resistance of
exotic aluminum alloys? There must be some point where you will accept
things.

I agree. I would call "accepting" simply giving up. Or, if the information
resonates with something else that makes sense, then I would believe it.
But
I'll tell you what, simply knowing that "stuff" exists that can withstand
high
temperatures relaxes me. I can believe what was said to be on Venus
actually
exists.

Whew! That's great! I was wondering if I was going to have to start
footnoting my posts and providing bibliographies!

No---there were a lot of rude postings to you, but the person you were
responding to in this case had not said anything untoward.

That's more than likely true. I couldn't keep up with who was attacking me
so
it seemed like everyone was doing it. The mob mentality - the victim hates
everybody.

I think that was what might have raised some hackles. There were actually a
lot of very nice posts sent to you, but your responses kind of lumped
everyone together---though I can understand why you did this. The negative
side, of course, is that a lot very knowledgeable people (and many of the
folks in this group really do know what they are talking about!), were put
off. Once the dust settles, I suspect all will be well.

RM

This is pretty common in *all* newsgroups. The virtual equivalent of Road
Rage. One person starts it and it keeps on going. I usually avoid those
threads as there is no real information sharing going on.

Sometimes you have to drop it and move on...

-=SkyHawke=-

"Ron Miller" wrote in message
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"Flying _Naked_People" http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm wrote in
message ...
Why do you insist I'm trying to *prove* something??? I just want to know
if
Venus is being portrayed accurately. I ran into some things that seemed
highly
unlikable and challenged them. FORGET about the Lead thing!

Okay. I think what got most people excited was that after things were
carefully expained to you, you kept on challenging them---not taking the
word of some of the very knowledgeable people who contribute to this
newsgroup, but demanding proofs and documentation.

You keep saying "If you would do your own research, blah, blah, blah..."
Well
let me be the first to tell you, I Don't Work With NASA. There is no way
in
hell I could ever have the resources to this stuff that YOU obviously
do.

Most of what I found, I found either online or in readily available books.
The only thing I did that was above and beyond the usual resources was to
consult with Charles Vick...and he only served to confirm what I'd already
discovered. I suspect that, given your response to the several experts in
here, you probably would have challenged him as well.

It's unfortunate that the replies you got from some people (myself
included,
I'm afraid) were rude enough to cause you to feel bitter...but please keep
in mind the confrontational, argumentative tone taken by much of your own
correspondence. For instance, your response to a very nice link to a site
about the Venera probe was this:

"Can't you see all the ambiguous "equipment" used?
WHAT fluid did these people use that didn't boil at 875 deg?
WHAT was used to obtain the chemical composition of the clouds? LITMUS
PAPER?
WHAT was used to even get the temperatures in the first place (that would
not
explode itself!)?
Venus has a supposedly pretty violent atmosphere. I would think that
anything
entering it would burn to hell.
And you just wait till I figure out what TV photography is (specifically -
not
ambiguously)!!"

That is just being argumentative, But even worse was this reply to another
politely informative respondent:

"Don't bother "answering" any of my questions with SPECIFICS which is what
I'm
asking for. You CAN'T do it."

That sort of thing is deliberately provocative, let alone insulting, and
sure to get you the hostile responses you received.

RM