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Old September 21st 11, 07:30 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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"When the Space Shuttle flew its 135th and final
mission in July and retired without a direct
replacement, some critics accused Washington
of abandoning America’s 50-year orbital legacy.
The Telegraph even called it a “retreat.”

Then last week, the U.S. government revealed
new and formerly secret space initiatives that
underscore America’s continuing orbital
dominance. NASA announced plans for the
biggest-ever rocket, set to launch in six years.
Meanwhile, the hush-hush National
Reconnaissance Office (NRO), keeper of
America’s most secretive surveillance
satellites, used the occasion of its 50th
birthday to declassify its ongoing orbital
eavesdropping campaign over Afghanistan."

See:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...e-war-arsenal/
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Old September 22nd 11, 12:06 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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The suggestion that the SLS has military value no doubt strikes the
Pentagon as insane. It'll take years to prep for each launch and will
fly too rarely for AF, NRO, etc. to consider it reliable enough for
critical national security payloads, even if they could dream up a way
to use such gigantic capacity. And they can barely afford EELVs. What
is this thing going to cost per launch? Assuming the SLS is
successful, its utility will be limited to launching large habitats,
specialized modules like a preassembled lunar observatory, and long-
duration manned spacecraft. (I suspect they will end up launching
the humans separately.)

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Old September 22nd 11, 01:21 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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The heavy launcher must be a ruse, an attempt to bait the
Chinese into spending their military budget in the wrong
places. A classic diversionary tactic. When the trends are
to miniaturize and fast response, the civilian program talks
of massive rockets and grandiose long term goals.

But then again, maybe it's the other way around?

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Old September 23rd 11, 07:07 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Who do NASA think they're fooling?

The X-37 is unpiloted and carries only 5 tonnes. The SLS (proposed)
carries no more than 70 tonnes, 90 tonnes LESS than Saturn V. (who
cares if its 35 ft taller?) The Delta IV heavy 25.8 tones, LESS than
the Space Shuttle.

A true improvement in capability would be a FULLY REUSABLE (all stages
pieces and parts) launcher built around the Space Shuttle EXTERNAL
TANK collection equipped with cross-feeding modified for re-use and
recovery using a reusable aerospike engine built around a collection
of five RS-68 pumps - at each unit.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31261680/Etdhlrlv-Addendum
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30943696/ETDHLRLV
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35439593/S...-Satellite-GEO

Such a unit lofts 695 tonnes into LEO, and carries 300 tonnes across
the solar system at less cost than a Delta Heavy launch!

This is used to put up a comsat network of 800 satellites - in 25
launches over 2 years - creating a global wireless hotspot and capture
$1 trillion per year in communications.

This is also used to put up a powersat generating $8 billion in
revenues per year over 30 years - at a cost of $0.03 per kWh.

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Old September 23rd 11, 10:14 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sep 23, 4:46*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the newsgroup the
attendants let Mookie back on the net.

William Mook wrote:

Who do NASA think they're fooling?


Who do you think you're fooling?



The X-37 is unpiloted and carries only 5 tonnes. *The SLS (proposed)
carries no more than 70 tonnes, 90 tonnes LESS than Saturn V. *(who
cares if its 35 ft taller?) The Delta IV heavy 25.8 tones, LESS than
the Space Shuttle.


And all of them are either flying hardware or well into design,
unlike...



A true improvement in capability would be a FULLY REUSABLE (all stages
pieces and parts) launcher built around the Space Shuttle EXTERNAL
TANK collection equipped with cross-feeding modified for re-use and
recovery using a reusable aerospike engine built around a collection
of five RS-68 pumps - at each unit.


Napkin scribbling bull**** removed

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


As I imagine Saul Levy might say, NASA is bankrupt! lol.

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Old September 23rd 11, 02:08 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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In article cd59b49a-fb2a-4302-a096-
, says...

Who do NASA think they're fooling?


Back to killfile hell with you!

Jeff
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" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
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Old September 23rd 11, 10:56 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sep 23, 5:33*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 23, 4:46*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the newsgroup the
attendants let Mookie back on the net.


wrote:


Who do NASA think they're fooling?


Who do you think you're fooling?


The X-37 is unpiloted and carries only 5 tonnes. *The SLS (proposed)
carries no more than 70 tonnes, 90 tonnes LESS than Saturn V. *(who
cares if its 35 ft taller?) The Delta IV heavy 25.8 tones, LESS than
the Space Shuttle.


And all of them are either flying hardware or well into design,
unlike...


A true improvement in capability would be a FULLY REUSABLE (all stages
pieces and parts) launcher built around the Space Shuttle EXTERNAL
TANK collection equipped with cross-feeding modified for re-use and
recovery using a reusable aerospike engine built around a collection
of five RS-68 pumps - at each unit.


Napkin scribbling bull**** removed


As I imagine Saul Levy might say, NASA is bankrupt! *lol.


And yet still has more flying hardware than you do.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


What is NASA flying these days?
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Old September 24th 11, 12:56 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sep 23, 2:14*am, William Mook wrote:
On Sep 23, 4:46*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:









Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the newsgroup the
attendants let Mookie back on the net.


William Mook wrote:


Who do NASA think they're fooling?


Who do you think you're fooling?


The X-37 is unpiloted and carries only 5 tonnes. *The SLS (proposed)
carries no more than 70 tonnes, 90 tonnes LESS than Saturn V. *(who
cares if its 35 ft taller?) The Delta IV heavy 25.8 tones, LESS than
the Space Shuttle.


And all of them are either flying hardware or well into design,
unlike...


A true improvement in capability would be a FULLY REUSABLE (all stages
pieces and parts) launcher built around the Space Shuttle EXTERNAL
TANK collection equipped with cross-feeding modified for re-use and
recovery using a reusable aerospike engine built around a collection
of five RS-68 pumps - at each unit.


Napkin scribbling bull**** removed


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


As I imagine Saul Levy might say, NASA is bankrupt! *lol.


Actually, our DARPA and NASA have been bankrupt from the very get-go.

They never had to show a profit or even a breakeven. What other
definition of bankrupt is there?

Without your stuff there's simply no way our DARPA, NASA or any other
space orbital or off-world mission can represent anything except a
bankrupt kind of outcome that'll never return 10% on investment, much
less be allowed to show a profit.

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