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Does anyone want Shuttle Discovery?
Smithsonian Air And Space Museum wants it, but can it afford it?:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-110110b.html Pat |
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Does anyone want Shuttle Discovery?
In sci.space.history Damon Hill wrote:
Huh. They've had Enterprise for years and years! Mostly hidden away in a storage hanger. That was rectified: http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarh...ce_opening.cfm rick jones -- Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Does anyone want Shuttle Discovery?
Pat Flannery wrote in
dakotatelephone: Smithsonian Air And Space Museum wants it, but can it afford it?: http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-110110b.html Pat Huh. They've had Enterprise for years and years! Mostly hidden away in a storage hanger. Give Discovery to the aerospace museum in Seattle. We'll give her a place of honor. --Damon |
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Does anyone want Shuttle Discovery?
On Nov 2, 1:30*pm, Damon Hill wrote:
Huh. *They've had Enterprise for years and years! *Mostly hidden away in a storage hanger. Open to the public since 2003. Give Discovery to the aerospace museum in Seattle. *We'll give her a place of honor. The people I've talked to here in DC thought Seattle was the most likely to get an OV of all the non-government museums, but they were not thrilled with the idea of a non-government museum getting a orbiter (no decisions seem to have been made). The basic problem is that they are forever. Once the SCA retires, there will be essentially no way to move them around, so they need to be at a museum that will be able to take good care of them 100 years from now (yes, this is the timeline that NASA and NASM are using). There is simply no guarantee that Boeing and Microsoft will still be raining dollars on the Museum of Flight seven decades from now. Look at the plight of the USS Olympia as an example of what can happen to private museums saddled with old, expensive to maintain, priceless artifacts. NASA and NASM have an obligation to try and prevent that, which is why the general expectation is that public museums are going to win. And that makes budget issues something of a shell game. Whether NASM or NASA (at least one SFC is probably going to get one) or the USAF (NMUSAF is probably going to get one) pays for it, it will pretty much have to come from Congress, so whomever gets the money to pay for it, it will be paid for. Chris Manteuffel |
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On 11/2/2010 9:01 AM, Rick Jones wrote:
In sci.space.history Damon wrote: Huh. They've had Enterprise for years and years! Mostly hidden away in a storage hanger. That was rectified: http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarh...ce_opening.cfm If they replace Enterprise with Discovery over there, then what to do with Enterprise? I imagine it should be at Edwards where it did its glide tests, but that's more moving expense still. What would be interesting to do to Enterprise is remove the skin off half of it, so that visitors could examine the interior structure. A cutaway Spacelab in the cargo bay would be a nice touch also. You would have to get some surplus engines to put back into it, but NASA wasn't having much luck even trying to give those away to museums for shipping costs (a cutaway SSME would be very interesting to look at due to its internal complexity). Pat |
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Does anyone want Shuttle Discovery?
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, Chris wrote: Look at the plight of the USS Olympia as an example of what can happen to private museums saddled with old, expensive to maintain, priceless artifacts. You made me look up the ship on Wiki. Damn... I've been on her twice, once as a kid and again a couple years ago when I was in Philadelphia for the sci fi Worldcon, and the idea of the Olympia being sold for scrap... I wonder if there's any way to get her to Buffalo's Naval Park. -- Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!" 'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts' |
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On 11/2/2010 2:07 PM, Chris wrote:
The people I've talked to here in DC thought Seattle was the most likely to get an OV of all the non-government museums, but they were not thrilled with the idea of a non-government museum getting a orbiter (no decisions seem to have been made). The basic problem is that they are forever. Once the SCA retires, there will be essentially no way to move them around, so they need to be at a museum that will be able to take good care of them 100 years from now (yes, this is the timeline that NASA and NASM are using). There is simply no guarantee that Boeing and Microsoft will still be raining dollars on the Museum of Flight seven decades from now. The thing is, we only need keep _one_ intact and in good repair for historical purposes, not all three surviving orbiters and Enterprise. Note that we didn't keep the first fully streamlined nuclear attack submarine (SSN-585 Skipjack) or our first Polaris missile sub (SSBN-598 George Washington) fully intact at all, even though they were both very historically significant; both were scrapped, except for George Washington's sail. The British unceremoniously scrapped one of the most historically significant warships of all time - HMS Dreadnought. Look at the plight of the USS Olympia as an example of what can happen to private museums saddled with old, expensive to maintain, priceless artifacts. You think that's bad, look what happened to USS Oregon; Oregon gave it back for service in the US Navy during WWI as a patriotic gesture, and at the conclusion of the war the Navy said it was theirs to do whatever they wanted to with it, and instead of returning it to Oregon, scrapped it. They could save a lot of expense on upkeep of Olympia if they followed the lead of what the Japanese did with the flagship of the imperial fleet at the battle of the Tsushima Straits in 1905; they set the battleship IJN Mikasa in concrete up to the waterline, thereby eliminating the need to keep her hull watertight: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJA...kasa_1_pic.jpg Pat |
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On 11/2/2010 3:44 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
In article , wrote: Look at the plight of the USS Olympia as an example of what can happen to private museums saddled with old, expensive to maintain, priceless artifacts. You made me look up the ship on Wiki. Damn... I've been on her twice, once as a kid and again a couple years ago when I was in Philadelphia for the sci fi Worldcon, and the idea of the Olympia being sold for scrap... I wonder if there's any way to get her to Buffalo's Naval Park. The place she should go is Washington state; I assume she's named after Olympia, Washington. The old Revell model of the ship is a real ball to build BTW, with really good parts fit, and a surprising degree of detail for a model of that vintage. http://modelshipworld.com/phpBB2/fil...lympia_296.jpg I don't know if it's still the case, but Olympia's officer's wardroom used to be the official headquarters for the Navy "Blue Angels" aerobatic team. Pat |
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tatelephone, Pat Flannery wrote: On 11/2/2010 3:44 PM, Invid Fan wrote: In article , wrote: Look at the plight of the USS Olympia as an example of what can happen to private museums saddled with old, expensive to maintain, priceless artifacts. You made me look up the ship on Wiki. Damn... I've been on her twice, once as a kid and again a couple years ago when I was in Philadelphia for the sci fi Worldcon, and the idea of the Olympia being sold for scrap... I wonder if there's any way to get her to Buffalo's Naval Park. The place she should go is Washington state; I assume she's named after Olympia, Washington. Sure, but construction started under Buffalo's Grover Cleveland and we killed McKinley, so there's a connection there too Hell, maybe fresh water would be better for her as well. -- Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!" 'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts' |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
Invid Fan wrote: wrote: Look at the plight of the USS Olympia as an example of what can happen to private museums saddled with old, expensive to maintain, priceless artifacts. Olympia is one of the few remaining pre-Dreadnought battleships. A classic. You made me look up the ship on Wiki. Damn... I've been on her twice, once as a kid and again a couple years ago when I was in Philadelphia for the sci fi Worldcon, and the idea of the Olympia being sold for scrap... I wonder if there's any way to get her to Buffalo's Naval Park. The place she should go is Washington state; I assume she's named after Olympia, Washington. The advantage of Buffalo is they have a very active naval museum with a good maintenance program. If it went to Bremerton not too far from Olympia it would have a large Navy base to help out with maintenance. I figure that the small port at Olympia would end up having it languish. |
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