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I may be kind of skeptical, but I think it will take the extra $1
billion President Bush has pledged for NASA just to keep it going at current levels. Here's why: Everything is classified now. Even technical journal articles have to be vetted before they are published. Especially anything having to do with orbital mechanics, or any other aspect of "rocket science" that applies to missiles or that is somehow related to SDI so that it's classified. The problem with high security operations is that progress is inversely proportional to security level. The higher the security, the less the competition, and the less incentive scientists have to produce high quality work. Anybody who does a very good job is harassed by his or her peers for making them look bad so, if anything, there is negative incentive. Moreover, the whole system is ratcheted so that high performing scientists will be booted out of the system leaving only the low horsepower people left. Consequently, with all the new security operations in place since 9/11 the $1 billion Bush thinks will get us to the moon and Mars will only pay for more security, lazier scientists, and an underperforming space program. Bill Clark http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/ |
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I have to agree with Bill Clark's comments, and add further
observations. First, that the "security" thing is not peculiar to NASA but seems to be a basic policy from the people in Washington. It ranges from net-dragging (mild pun here) the public domain to top policy that financially and politically powerful groups are claiming possession of anything they can define. Over the long run, our whole culture is impoverished. I can't feel troubled over such policy with respect to what is called "popular music" but the space program carries the germ of our future and possibly even of our very existence in to the future. So I think the "security" thing is bad trouble. Secondly, there is that oh-so-photogenic Shawn O'Keefe. I've seen very many genuinely working people in industry and universities. These ranged from engineering draftsmen to predoctoral grad students to professors to Nobel prize winners. And to my recall, none of them in their productive years, gave attention to how they looked in front of a camera. My first impression of O'Keefe and ever since, is does he ever think about anything else? I cannot see that man as a working administrator. He only reminds me of whats-his-name who headed up the Postal Service a few years back. As I try to guess what the future will see looking back at us, I think the central question will be: Why all that buzzing around about "man" and "exploration," when we needed to be putting *settlements* Out There? Cheers, sort of -- Martha Adams |
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"Steve" wrote in message
I also share your skepticism. I see this initiative as money for Boeing and LockMart to give to their shareholders while they make noises about producing hardware and then deliver nothing. Remember the X-33. You must be joking. The profit margin on this kind of work is typically very, very low. As far as delivering nothing, you should probably look into that [false] statement a little bit before throwing it out. Jon |
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"Jon Berndt" :
"Steve" wrote in message I also share your skepticism. I see this initiative as money for Boeing and LockMart to give to their shareholders while they make noises about producing hardware and then deliver nothing. Remember the X-33. You must be joking. The profit margin on this kind of work is typically very, very low. As far as delivering nothing, you should probably look into that [false] statement a little bit before throwing it out. Really, then name one useful thing learnt from the non-building of the X-33. And it is non-building when you consider that there is not even an assembled airframe. Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp |
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Earl Colby Pottinger wrote:
Really, then name one useful thing learnt from the non-building of the X-33. Multi-lobe composite pressure vessels are hard to make. Very hard to make. Cryopumping in composite structures is a serious problem. There. That's two things. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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"Scott Lowther" wrote in message
... Earl Colby Pottinger wrote: Really, then name one useful thing learnt from the non-building of the X-33. Multi-lobe composite pressure vessels are hard to make. Very hard to make. And we didn't know that before? Cryopumping in composite structures is a serious problem. Nor that? There. That's two things. Seems to me several people knew this was a problem before we started on X-33. So I think you'd be hardpressed to say we learned anything. -- Scott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address |
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Scott Lowther :
Earl Colby Pottinger wrote: Really, then name one useful thing learnt from the non-building of the X-33. Multi-lobe composite pressure vessels are hard to make. Very hard to make. Sorry that was already known before the X-33 was built. Infact if you read the messages published just after the X-33 design was selected you would see that lots of people already knew that it was a hard (bad) design and suggested alumium tanks atleast to do test flights. Cryopumping in composite structures is a serious problem. Odd, it was not a problem in non-NASA designs. ROTON did not have the problem. The DC-X did not have the problem. Infact, anyone in North America except for NASA would have built a test tank that matched the final design (NASA changed the design between the final version and thier test version) or would have talked to or hired Scaled Composites to avoid problems like that. The way X-33 was done was just a waste of money. Earl Colby Pottinger -- I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos, SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp |
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"Earl Colby Pottinger" wrote in message
"Jon Berndt" : "Steve" wrote in message I also share your skepticism. I see this initiative as money for Boeing and LockMart to give to their shareholders while they make noises about producing hardware and then deliver nothing. Remember the X-33. You must be joking. The profit margin on this kind of work is typically very, very low. As far as delivering nothing, you should probably look into that [false] statement a little bit before throwing it out. Really, then name one useful thing learnt from the non-building of the X-33. As far what was learned in developing X-33 others have already pointed out to you several things. Do a google search on "AIAA X-33" and you'll find a bunch of papers written on various topics surrounding the project. The main point I was making was that I'd be very surprised if the shareholders for Lockheed saw anything at all from the X-33 project. And it is non-building when you consider that there is not even an assembled airframe. Earl Colby Pottinger Look he http://aiaa.pr.erau.edu/past/Spring99/99_01.html (not the best picture). Obviously it was not *finished*, but the frame was *assembled*. The last I heard, though, it *was* being disassembled. Jon |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:19:11 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
"Jon Berndt" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The main point I was making was that I'd be very surprised if the shareholders for Lockheed saw anything at all from the X-33 project. They saw continued profits from Titan, Atlas and Shuttle. |
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