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  #651  
Old November 28th 12, 08:17 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 28, 3:15*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 28, 2:58*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 28, 11:33*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:26*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:11*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:08*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:02*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:48*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 10:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:31*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


In other words, hard and objective science of whatever the Earth-moon
L1 has to offer doesn't count for anything. *Is that about right?


How is it that the gravity null of our Earth-moon L1 can even exist,
if only the displacement of aether is responsible?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir...#Vacuum_energy


"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with
interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the
field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest
position"


A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of
the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.


Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The
displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back
toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of
the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is
more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which
encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether
which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which
encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.


What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same
phenomenon as gravity.


There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass
and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically
displaced by matter.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


But that still needs to be objectively proven, and not just
subjectively parrot-speak repeated until everyone is dead.


*There's always these two quoted classics:
*”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell


"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck


It is obvious what there is a 'dark matter core' 'left behind' after
galaxy clusters collide. If you can't understand why there is a 'dark
matter core' 'left behind' after galaxy clusters collide then that
that is on you.


You are able to understand if two boat pass by each other very closely
there bow waves will slosh back and forth, correct?


'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html


"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected
into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be
expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most
of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision.
"This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University
of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results
available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not
behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on.
It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current
theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""


The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core
is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It
is obviously clear what is going on.


Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There
is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.


Dark matter and dark energy do seem to coexist independently of one
another, and by calling or renaming those two as a aether superfluid
or supersolid doesn't actually clear anything up, especially as to
orbital mechanics that's pretty damn accurate w/o aether factored in.


Dark matter is the aether. Dark matter has been shown to not be
anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether..
Aether has mass.


Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.


Do we even exist?
* With your aether representing 96.5% of everything this universe has
to offer, seems to suggest that perhaps all other physical matter of
the 3D displacement realm is simply a cosmic disturbance of aether.


What sort of revisions to orbital mechanics would aether require in
order to make everything or anything any better?


Can a 2D like invisible substance such as photons of zero volume and
aether of infinite volume coexist as surrounding our absolutely
miniscule 3D existence?


If aether is in fact a 3D superfluid or supersolid, but always
invisible and otherwise directly undetectable, then why should anyone
care if it makes no difference whatsoever to existing science or
physics?


Why are you so deathly afraid of utilizing the Earth-moon L1 for any
sort of improved science or physics proof?


You can't even understand the mass of the matter of a galaxy can not
account for the speed at which it rotates, which was the reason for
'dark matter' in the first place.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


I've often wondered why the rotational speed of a galaxy does not
change significantly from its hub or black hole core, out to the
farthest extremities, and yet the black hole itself is spinning like
crazy-fast.


How does aether as an invisible supersolid affect or cause such
orbital mechanics, by replacing every other law of physics?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679.../#.TjkpbmDmE2c

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The
matter which would form the Milky Way was moving as it displaced the
aether. The aether displaced perpendicular to the major direction of
motion became the majority force of the displaced aether and forced
the matter into the disk. This resulted in the angular momentum of the
matter. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the
plane of the angular momentum which exerts force toward the center of
the Milky Way. This force, along with the state of displacement of the
aether as determined by the angular momentum of the Milky Way, forced
the matter closer together which resulted in the displaced aether
looking like a squished beach ball. Aether displacement explains how
the Milky Way was created, how the disk and halo formed and why the
rotational speed can not be accounted for by the mass of the matter of
the Milky Way itself.
  #652  
Old November 28th 12, 08:17 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 27, 7:46*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:53*pm, Brad Guth wrote:





On Nov 27, 3:09*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 27, 5:58*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 2:20*pm, Double-A wrote:


On Nov 27, 6:28*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 27, 8:57*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 5:49*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 5:32*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 27, 1:18*am, American wrote:


On Nov 27, 1:08*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 26, 8:43*pm, Painius wrote:


On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:18:17 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth


Does anything of QM ever get represented by having a 3D volume?


Yes, when researchers write about the quantum nature of spacetime,
what they describe enters the mind like a 3D foamy structure, hence
the name "quantum foam"...


*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam


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* and Warm Wishes for the New Year!
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That's always good to know about the "quantum foam" or even mpc755's
aether, though neither of which representing local or distant gravity
seems likely. *I'm thinking the superfluid or supersolid analogy of
displaced aether that mpc755 keeps pushing, needs a whole lot more
work.


Brad, mpc755 will NEVER admit that aether is actually ZPE, but I
digress...


ZPE is the state of displacement of the aether at absolute zero.


Even at absolute zero the aether is displaced by the object. The
displacement of the aether is the energy associated with ZPE.


In case you haven't checked Google Groups version of reading this
topic that you obviously were not smart enough to create in the first
place:
*http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a.../thread/ab1da6...
*This would be a perfectly good time to take better control and fix it
before FUD-master Harlow as a serial Usenet/newsgroup insider, once
again screws with it.


Obviously mpc755 isn't even remotely smart enough to create his own
topics, much less having a personal newsgroup where he gets control
over anyone that's strictly abusive like our Harlow that's even public
funded to do what he does.


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
GuthVenus


A moving particle has an associated physical wave. In a double slit
experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the
associated wave in the aether through both. As the wave exits the
slits it creates wave interference which alters the direction the
particle travels. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave
theory. Detecting the particle turns the associated wave in the aether
into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and doesn't
create an interference pattern.


Yes, the wave travellling through the second slit interferes with the
particle travelling through the first slit. *Think of a boat passing
through a harbor wall with two openings side by side. *The wake from
the boat will pass through the second opening. *Part of it will change
direction back towards the boat and have an effect it. *No great
mystery really.


Double-A


Except the quantum photon particle as a singularity has no 3D volume,
as well as supposedly no mass, and thus creates no such wave of any-
kind.


Double-A is much closer to understanding what actually occurs
physically in nature in a double slit experiment then you are.


In a double slit experiment the photon, electron, molecule or boat
passes through a single slit and the associated wave passes through
both.


Dim the lights, take several very deep breaths, stop drinking those
over-caffeinated power drinks, eat lots of fruit and then rethink what
you are asking of others to accept without objective science that
anyone can replicate or in any way measure or much less demonstrate.


Your aether can coexist and if you like representing up to 96.4% of
the mass within our universe, which to myself seems to be more ongoing
than Big Bang produced.


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus
*“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...


Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back
and exerts inward pressure toward matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

The Universe is, or our local Universe is in, a larger version of a
black hole polar jet.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.



This is starting to sound like Wolter's continuous big bang theory.

http://wolter.painellsworth.net/

Old Coot, is that you?

Double-A

  #653  
Old November 28th 12, 08:25 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
mpc755
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 28, 3:17*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Nov 27, 7:46*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 27, 8:53*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 3:09*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 27, 5:58*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 2:20*pm, Double-A wrote:


On Nov 27, 6:28*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 27, 8:57*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 5:49*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 27, 5:32*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 27, 1:18*am, American wrote:


On Nov 27, 1:08*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 26, 8:43*pm, Painius wrote:


On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:18:17 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth


Does anything of QM ever get represented by having a 3D volume?


Yes, when researchers write about the quantum nature of spacetime,
what they describe enters the mind like a 3D foamy structure, hence
the name "quantum foam"...


*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam


--
Happy Holidays!
* and Warm Wishes for the New Year!
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Freedom is a clear conscience, really the only thing you can betray."


That's always good to know about the "quantum foam" or even mpc755's
aether, though neither of which representing local or distant gravity
seems likely. *I'm thinking the superfluid or supersolid analogy of
displaced aether that mpc755 keeps pushing, needs a whole lot more
work.


Brad, mpc755 will NEVER admit that aether is actually ZPE, but I
digress...


ZPE is the state of displacement of the aether at absolute zero.


Even at absolute zero the aether is displaced by the object. The
displacement of the aether is the energy associated with ZPE.


In case you haven't checked Google Groups version of reading this
topic that you obviously were not smart enough to create in the first
place:
*http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a.../thread/ab1da6...
*This would be a perfectly good time to take better control and fix it
before FUD-master Harlow as a serial Usenet/newsgroup insider, once
again screws with it.


Obviously mpc755 isn't even remotely smart enough to create his own
topics, much less having a personal newsgroup where he gets control
over anyone that's strictly abusive like our Harlow that's even public
funded to do what he does.


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
GuthVenus


A moving particle has an associated physical wave. In a double slit
experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the
associated wave in the aether through both. As the wave exits the
slits it creates wave interference which alters the direction the
particle travels. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave
theory. Detecting the particle turns the associated wave in the aether
into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and doesn't
create an interference pattern.


Yes, the wave travellling through the second slit interferes with the
particle travelling through the first slit. *Think of a boat passing
through a harbor wall with two openings side by side. *The wake from
the boat will pass through the second opening. *Part of it will change
direction back towards the boat and have an effect it. *No great
mystery really.


Double-A


Except the quantum photon particle as a singularity has no 3D volume,
as well as supposedly no mass, and thus creates no such wave of any-
kind.


Double-A is much closer to understanding what actually occurs
physically in nature in a double slit experiment then you are.


In a double slit experiment the photon, electron, molecule or boat
passes through a single slit and the associated wave passes through
both.


Dim the lights, take several very deep breaths, stop drinking those
over-caffeinated power drinks, eat lots of fruit and then rethink what
you are asking of others to accept without objective science that
anyone can replicate or in any way measure or much less demonstrate.


Your aether can coexist and if you like representing up to 96.4% of
the mass within our universe, which to myself seems to be more ongoing
than Big Bang produced.


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”,GuthVenus
*“GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
*https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow...


Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back
and exerts inward pressure toward matter.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


The Universe is, or our local Universe is in, a larger version of a
black hole polar jet.


It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.


This is starting to sound like Wolter's continuous big bang theory.

http://wolter.painellsworth.net/

Old Coot, is that you?

Double-A


That concept reads as if the stuff is being pulled into the poles and
emitted into the disk.

Aether is continually being emitted into the Universal jet.

'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a
preferred axis"

The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or
the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a
black hole polar jet.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...10/10-023.html

"The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said."

The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.

The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual
emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space
associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in
our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving
outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image
above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.

Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
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Old November 28th 12, 08:47 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
Double-A[_3_]
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On Nov 28, 12:25*pm, mpc755 wrote:

That concept reads as if the stuff is being pulled into the poles and
emitted into the disk.

Aether is continually being emitted into the Universal jet.

'Was the universe born spinning?'

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a
preferred axis"



If the universe is spinning, then a coriolis effect should result in
galaxies having a preferred direction of spin. Seems this Dr. Longo
has discovered this to be true.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mlongo/

What? They haven't burned him at the stake yet?

Double-A



  #655  
Old November 28th 12, 10:12 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
mpc755
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 28, 3:47*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:25*pm, mpc755 wrote:

That concept reads as if the stuff is being pulled into the poles and
emitted into the disk.


Aether is continually being emitted into the Universal jet.


'Was the universe born spinning?'


http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688



"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a
preferred axis"


If the universe is spinning, then a coriolis effect should result in
galaxies having a preferred direction of spin. *Seems this Dr. Longo
has discovered this to be true.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mlongo/

What? *They haven't burned him at the stake yet?

Double-A


The article refers to Prof. Longo.

"Led by Michael Longo from the University of Michigan"
  #656  
Old November 29th 12, 12:50 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 28, 12:15*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 28, 2:58*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 28, 11:33*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:26*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:11*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:08*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:02*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:48*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 10:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:31*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


In other words, hard and objective science of whatever the Earth-moon
L1 has to offer doesn't count for anything. *Is that about right?


How is it that the gravity null of our Earth-moon L1 can even exist,
if only the displacement of aether is responsible?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir...#Vacuum_energy


"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with
interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the
field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest
position"


A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of
the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.


Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The
displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back
toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of
the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is
more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which
encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether
which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which
encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.


What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same
phenomenon as gravity.


There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass
and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically
displaced by matter.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


But that still needs to be objectively proven, and not just
subjectively parrot-speak repeated until everyone is dead.


*There's always these two quoted classics:
*”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell


"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck


It is obvious what there is a 'dark matter core' 'left behind' after
galaxy clusters collide. If you can't understand why there is a 'dark
matter core' 'left behind' after galaxy clusters collide then that
that is on you.


You are able to understand if two boat pass by each other very closely
there bow waves will slosh back and forth, correct?


'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html


"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected
into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be
expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most
of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision.
"This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University
of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results
available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not
behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on.
It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current
theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""


The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core
is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It
is obviously clear what is going on.


Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There
is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.


Dark matter and dark energy do seem to coexist independently of one
another, and by calling or renaming those two as a aether superfluid
or supersolid doesn't actually clear anything up, especially as to
orbital mechanics that's pretty damn accurate w/o aether factored in.


Dark matter is the aether. Dark matter has been shown to not be
anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether..
Aether has mass.


Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.


Do we even exist?
* With your aether representing 96.5% of everything this universe has
to offer, seems to suggest that perhaps all other physical matter of
the 3D displacement realm is simply a cosmic disturbance of aether.


What sort of revisions to orbital mechanics would aether require in
order to make everything or anything any better?


Can a 2D like invisible substance such as photons of zero volume and
aether of infinite volume coexist as surrounding our absolutely
miniscule 3D existence?


If aether is in fact a 3D superfluid or supersolid, but always
invisible and otherwise directly undetectable, then why should anyone
care if it makes no difference whatsoever to existing science or
physics?


Why are you so deathly afraid of utilizing the Earth-moon L1 for any
sort of improved science or physics proof?


You can't even understand the mass of the matter of a galaxy can not
account for the speed at which it rotates, which was the reason for
'dark matter' in the first place.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


I've often wondered why the rotational speed of a galaxy does not
change significantly from its hub or black hole core, out to the
farthest extremities, and yet the black hole itself is spinning like
crazy-fast.


How does aether as an invisible supersolid affect or cause such
orbital mechanics, by replacing every other law of physics?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Is this black hole spewing out aether?
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2012/11/2...rly-telescope/
A really monstrous black hole, less than 14% the mass of its galaxy
http://www.utexas.edu/news/files/NGC...m-1024x906.jpg
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10...c_jet_spotted/
“The jets are the largest things in the Universe, around a hundred
times bigger than the Milky Way and they can affect the most
fundamental processes like the formation of galaxies.”
  #657  
Old November 29th 12, 12:55 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
mpc755
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On Nov 28, 7:50*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:15*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 28, 2:58*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:33*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:26*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:11*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:08*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:02*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:48*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 10:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:31*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


In other words, hard and objective science of whatever the Earth-moon
L1 has to offer doesn't count for anything. *Is that about right?


How is it that the gravity null of our Earth-moon L1 can even exist,
if only the displacement of aether is responsible?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir...#Vacuum_energy


"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with
interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the
field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest
position"


A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of
the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.


Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The
displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back
toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of
the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is
more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which
encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether
which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which
encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.


What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same
phenomenon as gravity.


There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass
and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically
displaced by matter.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


But that still needs to be objectively proven, and not just
subjectively parrot-speak repeated until everyone is dead..


*There's always these two quoted classics:
*”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell


"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck


It is obvious what there is a 'dark matter core' 'left behind' after
galaxy clusters collide. If you can't understand why there is a 'dark
matter core' 'left behind' after galaxy clusters collide then that
that is on you.


You are able to understand if two boat pass by each other very closely
there bow waves will slosh back and forth, correct?


'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html


"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected
into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be
expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most
of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision.
"This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University
of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results
available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not
behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on.
It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current
theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""


The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core
is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It
is obviously clear what is going on.


Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There
is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.


Dark matter and dark energy do seem to coexist independently of one
another, and by calling or renaming those two as a aether superfluid
or supersolid doesn't actually clear anything up, especially as to
orbital mechanics that's pretty damn accurate w/o aether factored in.


Dark matter is the aether. Dark matter has been shown to not be
anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Aether has mass.


Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.


Do we even exist?
* With your aether representing 96.5% of everything this universe has
to offer, seems to suggest that perhaps all other physical matter of
the 3D displacement realm is simply a cosmic disturbance of aether.

  #658  
Old November 29th 12, 01:27 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 28, 4:55*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 28, 7:50*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 28, 12:15*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:58*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:33*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:26*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:11*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 2:08*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 11:02*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:48*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Nov 28, 10:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Nov 28, 1:31*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


In other words, hard and objective science of whatever the Earth-moon
L1 has to offer doesn't count for anything. *Is that about right?


How is it that the gravity null of our Earth-moon L1 can even exist,
if only the displacement of aether is responsible?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir...#Vacuum_energy


"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with
interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the
field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest
position"


A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of
the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.


Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The
displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back
toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of
the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is
more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which
encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether
which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which
encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.


What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same
phenomenon as gravity.


There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass
and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically
displaced by matter.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


But that still needs to be objectively proven, and not just
subjectively parrot-speak repeated until everyone is dead.


*There's always these two quoted classics:
*”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell


"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck


It is obvious what there is a 'dark matter core' 'left behind' after
galaxy clusters collide. If you can't understand why there is a 'dark
matter core' 'left behind' after galaxy clusters collide then that
that is on you.


You are able to understand if two boat pass by each other very closely
there bow waves will slosh back and forth, correct?


'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html


"This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected
into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be
expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most
of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision.
"This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University
of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results
available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not
behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on.
It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current
theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""


The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core
is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It
is obviously clear what is going on.


Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There
is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.


Dark matter and dark energy do seem to coexist independently of one
another, and by calling or renaming those two as a aether superfluid
or supersolid doesn't actually clear anything up, especially as to
orbital mechanics that's pretty damn accurate w/o aether factored in.


Dark matter is the aether. Dark matter has been shown to not be
anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.
Aether has mass.


Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.


Do we even exist?
* With your aether representing 96.5% of everything this universe has
to offer, seems to suggest that perhaps all other physical matter of
the 3D displacement realm is simply a cosmic disturbance of aether.


What sort of revisions to orbital mechanics would aether require in
order to make everything or anything any better?


Can a 2D like invisible substance such as photons of zero volume and
aether of infinite volume coexist as surrounding our absolutely
miniscule 3D existence?


If aether is in fact a 3D superfluid or supersolid, but always
invisible and otherwise directly undetectable, then why should anyone
care if it makes no difference whatsoever to existing science or
physics?


Why are you so deathly afraid of utilizing the Earth-moon L1 for any
sort of improved science or physics proof?


You can't even understand the mass of the matter of a galaxy can not
account for the speed at which it rotates, which was the reason for
'dark matter' in the first place.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


I've often wondered why the rotational speed of a galaxy does not
change significantly from its hub or black hole core, out to the
farthest extremities, and yet the black hole itself is spinning like
crazy-fast.


How does aether as an invisible supersolid affect or cause such
orbital mechanics, by replacing every other law of physics?


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Is this black hole spewing out aether?
*http://www.utexas.edu/news/2012/11/2...re-most-massiv...
*A really monstrous black hole, less than 14% the mass of its galaxy
*http://www.utexas.edu/news/files/NGC...m-1024x906.jpg
*http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10...c_jet_spotted/
*“The jets are the largest things in the Universe, around a hundred
times bigger than the Milky Way and they can affect the most
fundamental processes like the formation of galaxies.”


I suspect the jets are emitting matter in its uncondensed state, which
is aether.


That's good to know. However, uncondensed matter is commonly called a
gas or ionized cloud of particles that each have a 3D volume and
individual mass.

The density of that quasar polar jet is likely what Ne-nn g/cm3?
  #659  
Old November 29th 12, 03:01 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
John Gogo
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Default Aether has mass

On Nov 27, 7:26*am, mpc755 wrote:
A moving particle has an associated physical wave. In a double slit
experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the
associated wave in the aether through both. As the wave exits the
slits it creates wave interference which alters the direction the
particle travels. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave
theory. Detecting the particle turns the associated wave in the aether
into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and doesn't
create an interference pattern.


I am sure that each individual grate carries with it some kind of
effect- and that effect is real- but, in the end we are still dealing
with a bottleneck. We have to remember when dealing with a double-
slit experiment- this is a macroscopic effect. We have our crude
macroscopic instruments- the light source- the two slits and their
separation- and the screen which lies behind the slits and acts as
some sort of measurement device.

Have we ever stopped to think that the light source is large with
respect to the proportion of the distance between the slits- and that
light impinging upon each slit comes from different and dynamic angles?
  #660  
Old November 29th 12, 03:13 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
GogoJF
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Posts: 33
Default Aether has mass

On Nov 28, 9:01*pm, John Gogo wrote:
On Nov 27, 7:26*am, mpc755 wrote:

A moving particle has an associated physical wave. In a double slit
experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the
associated wave in the aether through both. As the wave exits the
slits it creates wave interference which alters the direction the
particle travels. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave
theory. Detecting the particle turns the associated wave in the aether
into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and doesn't
create an interference pattern.


I am sure that each individual grate carries with it some kind of
effect- and that effect is real- but, in the end we are still dealing
with a bottleneck. *We have to remember when dealing with a double-
slit experiment- this is a macroscopic effect. *We have our crude
macroscopic instruments- the light source- the two slits and their
separation- and the screen which lies behind the slits and acts as
some sort of measurement device.

Have we ever stopped to think that the light source is large with
respect to the proportion of the distance between the slits- and that
light impinging upon each slit comes from different and dynamic angles?


I feel like you want to conceptualize- whereas- I want to realize the
limits of our crude instruments.
 




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