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Planetary climate spectrum
The vocabulary of 'climate change' doesn't really enter the research
of an astronomer although it may for modelers interested in scaring the wider population into paying higher taxes for no good reasonif they are happy to pay then so well and good but a planet's climate is fixed by its dynamics and fits within a spectrum. On the basis that intelligent people who stop and dwell on the topic for a moment and can work things out themselves without being lectured to and gain a great satisfaction that way.The old view was that if a planet had zero inclination it would have no seasons however this is not entirely accurate and a much more productive assessment involves switching the 'no seasons' perspective to an equatorial climate whereas a planet with a 90 degree inclination has a polar climate. The political system is taking advice from empirical modelers and not astronomers and that is the real problem. Unlike the financial quants which modeled entire countries into speculative penury,those who traffic in astronomical/terrestrial topics are squandering intellectual capital and undermining genuine research. Climate research only really goes on in sci.astro.amateur as everything else is competing models,graphs and what have you.Whatever short term gain a politician may gain by promoting speculative modeling instead of supporting interpretative research,the real losers are students and people who really wish to read the climate history of the planet through geological and biological evolution. |
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Planetary climate
Heat Transfer Basics
http://scienceofdoom.com/2010/09/12/...ics-part-zero/ Infrared Radiation and Planetary Temperature http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/pap...odayRT2011.pdf http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/publist.html Anthropogenic and Natural Warming Inferred from changes in Earth's Energy Balance http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1327.html Attribution of the present-day total greenhouse effect http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/...idt_etal_1.pdf |
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Planetary climate
On Jan 21, 7:22*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
Heat Transfer Basics *http://scienceofdoom.com/2010/09/12/...ics-part-zero/ Infrared Radiation and Planetary Temperature *http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/pap...odayRT2011.pdf *http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/publist.html Anthropogenic and Natural Warming Inferred from changes in Earth's Energy Balance *http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1327.html Attribution of the present-day total greenhouse effect *http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/...idt_etal_1.pdf All American students,including my own children,do not deserve to be enslaved by a speculative modeling cult much less a population who is expected to fund this disgrace that takes the name of science and not just the USA but the communities of the rest of this planet.The problem is not climate change but the ability of empiricists to change their story to suit a prevailing attitude which is why you remain silent on the morphing of the 'solar vs sidereal' story to the new one where the planet turns exactly in 24 hours back in 1820 - "At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about 23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or 86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased by about 2.5 milliseconds." http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsyst...ra-second.html Climate studies are not even in their infancy and without the planetary climate spectrum they cannot begin at all,it takes only an interpretative glance at Uranus to assign a polar climate to that planet while the Earth is towards the equatorial end of the spectrum with its 23 1/2 degree inclination. http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg You come from an unstable empirical community that happens to own the education system and a political system that is unable to handle the sordid politics of a vicious strain of empiricism that has been successful for many centuries by virtue that it can change history,methods and insights to suit whatever bandwagon agenda is being pursued. There is nothing more dangerous out there at the moment than politicians who talk of overwhelming 'scientific evidence' when they are really supporting reckless and wayward modeling which knows no physical considerations,no restraint on assertions and wildly adrift of climate studies which are primarily framed in terms of planetary dynamics and their respective traits. When you and your colleagues can match one 24 hour AM/PM cycle with one rotation,something you have not done yet,then you may begin to consider planetary climate but with your insistence in bundling daily and orbital motions into a rotating celestial sphere and right ascension,this modeling scam which began with the aggressive Royal Society strain of Newton will continue to decimate the intellectual currency of all nations. |
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Planetary climate spectrum
On Jan 21, 7:22*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
Heat Transfer Basics *http://scienceofdoom.com/2010/09/12/...ics-part-zero/ Infrared Radiation and Planetary Temperature *http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/pap...odayRT2011.pdf *http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/publist.html Anthropogenic and Natural Warming Inferred from changes in Earth's Energy Balance *http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1327.html Attribution of the present-day total greenhouse effect *http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/...idt_etal_1.pdf How dare you remove the term spectrum from my original post .This is a planet with a climate close to the polar end of the spectrum and the rest follows - http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg A planet with zero inclination has an equatorial climate rather than the older perspective inherited from Copernicus that zero inclination denotes 'no seasons' - "the equator and the earth's axis must be understood to have a variable inclination. For if they stayed at a constant angle, and were affected exclusively by the motion of the centre, no inequality of days and nights would be observed. On the contrary,it day or the day of equal daylight and darkness, or summer or winter, or whatever the character of the season, it would remain identical and unchanged." Copernicus This is a fight against speculative modelers,not against climate research,so while the academics follow the considerable funding for their agendas,the real science is developing planetary climate within a spectrum and working things out from there. |
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Oriel 10th attempt at extracting an answer!
It doesn't seem long since Oriel36 said he was leaving the group. As I have said before his mental health issues prevent him from doing so - he quite literally cannot help himself from posting minor variations of same old rubbish again and again.
Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain something as basic as this. He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the difference might be. As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see the same stars in the same places. Yes or no? |
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Planetary climate
On Jan 21, 2:32*pm, oriel36 wrote:
which is why you remain silent on the morphing of the 'solar vs sidereal' story to the new one where the planet turns exactly in 24 hours back in 1820 - This has already been explained to you. No one is changing any story, it is simply that the additional complication of the Earth's true rotation being sidereal (as made apparent by the presence of the Equation of Time) is omitted where the issue is irrelevant. John Savard |
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Planetary climate spectrum
On Jan 21, 12:20*pm, oriel36 wrote:
a planet's climate is fixed by its dynamics and fits within a spectrum. You are correct that the degree of the Earth's inclination is responsible for the relative prominence of the Arctic/Antarctic, Temperate, and Tropical regions. However, our proximity to the Sun, and the composition of our atmosphere, do also play important roles. John Savard |
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Oriel 10th attempt at extracting an answer!
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:39:08 -0800 (PST), badastrobuster wrote:
It doesn't seem long since Oriel36 said he was leaving the group. As I have said before his mental health issues prevent him from doing so - he quite literally cannot help himself from posting minor variations of same old rubbish again and again. Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain something as basic as this. He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the difference might be. As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see the same stars in the same places. Yes or no? You do not need to ride the "merry-go-round" with oriel... Mocking him serves no good purpose. Think of it as an option. -- Email address is a Spam trap. |
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Planetary climate spectrum
This is what astronomers do,they observe and draw conclusions with the
information they have - http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg Had the Earth the same rotational inclination as Uranus ,a polar climate would exist where there would be large swings in temperature and daylight/darkness conditions as the Earth orbited the Sun,a lesser degree of inclination and the climate would move towards the equatorial end of the spectrum until at zero inclination,equatorial conditions would prevail apart from the normal variations in the natural noon cycle which remains unaffected regardless of what the inclination is.This is a vibrant and enjoyable way to understand planetary climate and then move on to hemispherical subdivisions such as the seasons . With many billions upon billions spent annually on people who want to extract money from the wider population under false pretenses,here is the proper approach to climate by raising the standards and I take a great deal of satisfactions that nuisances simply can't enjoy the feeling of genuine discovery and especially the modification of the original reasoning of Copernicus using modern tools. Grumble on guys,while academics can influence politicians,they can't handle astronomers with a genuine love of this great astronomical discipline which rewards those who make an effort to interpret the arena whether the terrestrial arena which depends on the great planetary cycles or the wider structural arena as the Earth participates in all the other motions going on.No need to wait on anyone,just looking at the images of Uranus above opens up so many lines of investigation that there is really no time to dwell on nuisances and their narrow-minded views. |
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Oriel - 11th attempt to extract an answer
It doesn't seem long since Oriel36 said he was leaving the group. As I
have said before his mental health issues prevent him from doing so - he quite literally cannot help himself from posting minor variations of same old rubbish again and again. Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain something as basic as this. He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the difference might be. As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see the same stars in the same places. Yes or no? |
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