A beginning?

"Ray Higgins" wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" wrote:

Sure, but the universe can't expand forever. Eventually in time you
would
just run out of universe.


Actually current thinking is that not only will it expand forever but the
rate
of expansion is acellerating. Do search on "dark energy astronomy" and
you can
find some interesting articles

I think that the universe will expand until it reaches a certain size, and
then just stop expanding. Then it will rest in solid state by its own
gravity.

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"Ray Higgins" wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" wrote:

Sure, but the universe can't expand forever. Eventually in time you
would
just run out of universe.


Actually current thinking is that not only will it expand forever but
the
rate
of expansion is acellerating. Do search on "dark energy astronomy" and
you can
find some interesting articles

I think that the universe will expand until it reaches a certain size, and
then just stop expanding. Then it will rest in solid state by its own
gravity.

Maybe you're right but dark energy seems more and more powerful comparing to
gravity.
So I think infinite expansion is more likely.
Of course if dark energy theory is wrong we have to rethink the whole thing,
but this has happened many times in science history...

Luigi Caselli

hi luigi We theorize that space is expanding at an accelerated rate,and
do not know the reason for this other than using my convex space theory.
This begs the question is space the ultimate free lunch? Creating energy
within its fabric to push massive large galaxies apart. Raisin bread
dough needs heat.photons. Space energy has to use the annihilation of
particles and anti-particles and this fits well with my thinking.
Black holes having a singularity at the exact center of its
gravitational core fits well with my thinking.Black holes reaching a
critical mass in an average space time of 22 billion years fits well.
Will post my theory of the structure of a singularity shortly,and the
heart of this theory will show the reason why nature can only create in
pairs. End by saying there is no way the universe can come to a stop
and accelerate back into a singularity. That is the job of black holes
that are at the core of galaxies. The cosmos is wheels within wheels.
Bert

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"Ray Higgins" wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" wrote:

Sure, but the universe can't expand forever. Eventually in time you
would
just run out of universe.


Actually current thinking is that not only will it expand forever but
the
rate
of expansion is acellerating. Do search on "dark energy astronomy" and
you can
find some interesting articles

I think that the universe will expand until it reaches a certain size,
and
then just stop expanding. Then it will rest in solid state by its own
gravity.

Maybe you're right but dark energy seems more and more powerful comparing
to
gravity.
So I think infinite expansion is more likely.
Of course if dark energy theory is wrong we have to rethink the whole
thing,
but this has happened many times in science history...

Galaxies hold themselves to a pretty steady state of non-expansion after
presumably expanding for a while.

It seems that the universe would do likelwise.

From Mark E.:

Galaxies hold themselves to a pretty
steady state of non-expansion after
presumably expanding for a while.

..And they also rotate in a more unitary or 'non-Keplerian' manner. To
explain this, a funny cosmic superglue in invoked, i.e., 'dark matter'.
This stuff is magical indeed, being invisible, transparent,
non-reflective and non-refractive, yet it holds the galaxy together in
'frisbee-like' rotation.
What 'dark matter' proponents seem to overlook is this:
A solar system has 99% of its mass concentrated in the center, in the
sun, obligating the planets to obey the orbital laws observed by Kepler.
By contrast, a galaxy has much more of its mass distributed throughout
the disc, in the spiral arms, held together by mutual gravitation. So
naturally the whole ensemble is gonna rotate in a more unitary,
non-Keplerian manner. No mystery here. The mythical/magical 'dark
matter' appears to be a solution without a problem.

It seems that the universe would do
likewise.

Indeed so, if, outside our little 'bubble of visibility' (the visible
cosmos), the larger macro-universe is a rotating system. If such a
scenario were the case, spiral galaxies would be like 'little fractals'
spawned by the parent system. It'd be like Bert's "wheels within
wheels". Exactly such a scenario is proposed in the CBB model of the
universe- http://community.webtv.net/oldcoot/ContinuousBigBang
oc

"Bill Sheppard" wrote in message
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From Mark E.:

Galaxies hold themselves to a pretty
steady state of non-expansion after
presumably expanding for a while.

.And they also rotate in a more unitary or 'non-Keplerian' manner. To
explain this, a funny cosmic superglue in invoked, i.e., 'dark matter'.
This stuff is magical indeed, being invisible, transparent,
non-reflective and non-refractive, yet it holds the galaxy together in
'frisbee-like' rotation.

Why can't it just be gravity that holds galaxies and ultimately the universe
together?
Maybe gravity can cross millions or even billions of light years in some
manner of effecting itself.

Light transmits over billions of light years in every direction, and that is
a miracle in itself, considering that it goes in every direction. That is
like a drop of water being spread out evenly though an entire ocean.

So why can't gravity go in every direction over similar distances?

What 'dark matter' proponents seem to overlook is this:
A solar system has 99% of its mass concentrated in the center, in the
sun, obligating the planets to obey the orbital laws observed by Kepler.
By contrast, a galaxy has much more of its mass distributed throughout
the disc, in the spiral arms, held together by mutual gravitation. So
naturally the whole ensemble is gonna rotate in a more unitary,
non-Keplerian manner. No mystery here. The mythical/magical 'dark
matter' appears to be a solution without a problem.

Makes sense.

It seems that the universe would do
likewise.

Indeed so, if, outside our little 'bubble of visibility' (the visible
cosmos), the larger macro-universe is a rotating system. If such a
scenario were the case, spiral galaxies would be like 'little fractals'
spawned by the parent system. It'd be like Bert's "wheels within
wheels". Exactly such a scenario is proposed in the CBB model of the
universe- http://community.webtv.net/oldcoot/ContinuousBigBang
oc

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:41:17 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:


"Bill Sheppard" wrote in message
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From Mark E.:

Galaxies hold themselves to a pretty
steady state of non-expansion after
presumably expanding for a while.

.And they also rotate in a more unitary or 'non-Keplerian' manner. To
explain this, a funny cosmic superglue in invoked, i.e., 'dark matter'.
This stuff is magical indeed, being invisible, transparent,
non-reflective and non-refractive, yet it holds the galaxy together in
'frisbee-like' rotation.

Why can't it just be gravity that holds galaxies and ultimately the
universe together?

Because saucerhead don't understand simple things and they prefer to
create pseudoscientific word salads to at least have some attention from
the gullible.

Maybe gravity can cross millions or even billions of light years in some
manner of effecting itself.

Light transmits over billions of light years in every direction, and that
is a miracle in itself, considering that it goes in every direction. That
is like a drop of water being spread out evenly though an entire ocean.

So why can't gravity go in every direction over similar distances?

What 'dark matter' proponents seem to overlook is this:
A solar system has 99% of its mass concentrated in the center, in the
sun, obligating the planets to obey the orbital laws observed by Kepler.
By contrast, a galaxy has much more of its mass distributed throughout
the disc, in the spiral arms, held together by mutual gravitation. So
naturally the whole ensemble is gonna rotate in a more unitary,
non-Keplerian manner. No mystery here. The mythical/magical 'dark
matter' appears to be a solution without a problem.

Makes sense.

Certainly in a non-Keplerian manner (whatever the means).

Saucerheads seem to be specialists in creating theories based upon things
they heard somewhere from but failed to understand.

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