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On Wed, 20 May 2015 00:48:15 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 13:55:22 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
I can drive all over Europe and have constant access to modern
communications.

No you can't. ?n some areas there are no roads and it is illegal to
drive in the terrain. ?n other areas the roads are shut off for the
public. ?n still other areas you can and are allowed to drive but you
cannot get any connection with your cell phone.

Perhaps it's worse in the US, but you are overly optimistic if you
believe that cell phones work everywhere in Europe. They don't.

I know there are holes anywhere. But my experience driving around in
Europe is that typically always have a connection. And it doesn't
matter who my provider is. In the U.S., different carriers cover
different places, some places have no real coverage, and it's pretty
bad.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 5:50:17 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 14:35:06 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

I can drive all over Europe and have constant access to modern
communications. I can move around in rural India, in northern Africa,
in rural Peru, and never lose contact.

You are comparing apples with oranges. The US is one of the least densely populated places in the world, yet with a very large population to serve.

The comparison is fair.

No, it is not. US is very sparsely populated overall, compared to much of Europe or India. The UK is the size of Oregon, but 1.5x the population of California, for example. It should be easier, cheaper to cover but still there are dead zones.

The U.S. has a mish-mash of competing,
mutually incompatible systems which are selectively deployed in high
density population areas.

Yes, that is called competition and it is providing more choice, better service for the consumer at a variety of price points. You choose to live in area which would be difficult to cover in a cost-effective manner...that's YOUR problem.

Most of the rest of the world has not
allowed that. Has not privatized spectrum. Has not allowed cherry
picking. Has properly treated the infrastructure as a public utility.
And they still have thriving private telecommunications industries.
And people have inexpensive access no matter where they are.

Deregulation and privatization, not government meddling, is bringing cell phones to Africa.

In the U.S., I'm regularly unable to use modern communication tools,
just driving around moderately populated areas.

If you look at a coverage map, you will note coverage in the US is better in populated AND unpopulated areas than in similar areas in Europe. India has coverage along roads and in large cities, but not so good in remote areas.

I've been all over India. Even in the mountains, in the jungle, I have
coverage. I've never lost a connection in Europe, even in rural
mountains. Coverage in Europe is essentially 100%. Coverage in India
is better than in the U.S. Considerably better. All the more so
because it doesn't depend on the company you buy service from.

You were likely in touristy areas where coverage gets priority and problems are encountered and reported. Many places in the rural US don't get "tested" because few go there in the first place.

Our communication system is not very good, and in comparison to the
rest of the world is getting worse all the time- even in comparison to
very undeveloped parts of the world. Mainly because it is overly
privatized and underregulated.

That just means that resources are allocated properly. If you dislike the cell service where you live, move.

Or, I can advocate for public ownership of spectrum and a mandate that
providers cover all areas. Like the phone system was structured. And
I'm not just talking about phones here.

Now, that would be socialism. Most cell phone users wouldn't want to subsidize service to the remote areas that you visit.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:46:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 13:55:22 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
I can drive all over Europe and have constant access to modern
communications.

No you can't. ?n some areas there are no roads and it is illegal to
drive in the terrain. ?n other areas the roads are shut off for the
public. ?n still other areas you can and are allowed to drive but you
cannot get any connection with your cell phone.

Perhaps it's worse in the US, but you are overly optimistic if you
believe that cell phones work everywhere in Europe. They don't.

You have to remember that peterson is an idiot. He lives in a State that has a population density roughly that of Sweden. You both should be having similar experiences with cell phone service, although I would strongly suspect that he has much better service than he lets on. peterson just likes to argue.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:56:44 PM UTC-4, Uncarollo2 wrote:

It's people like you that are messing up America by not being able to converse
in reasonable discourse, calling people idiots.

After trying to reason with you, I must conclude that you are an idiot.

I don't think you really know
doodlysquat about anything, just like to hear
yourself argue and complain.

I know for a fact that you don't know anything about much at all.

You were raised as a sheeple in war-time Europe and you haven't learned anything since.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 2015 00:48:15 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2015 13:55:22 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
I can drive all over Europe and have constant access to modern
communications.

No you can't. ?n some areas there are no roads and it is illegal to
drive in the terrain. ?n other areas the roads are shut off for the
public. ?n still other areas you can and are allowed to drive but you
cannot get any connection with your cell phone.

Perhaps it's worse in the US, but you are overly optimistic if you
believe that cell phones work everywhere in Europe. They don't.

I know there are holes anywhere. But my experience driving around in
Europe is that typically always have a connection.

You will generally find that highways (where people congregate) and towns (where people congregate) will have good coverage.

And it doesn't
matter who my provider is. In the U.S., different carriers cover
different places, some places have no real coverage, and it's pretty
bad.

In sparsely populated areas there will probably be less coverage. Plan accordingly. Cell phone service is not a right.

On Wednesday, 20 May 2015 03:30:04 UTC+2, wrote:

Cell phone service is not a right.

Woohoo! Troglodyte alert!

Your blinkered flag waving is now so utterly predictable that I have stopped reading the vast majority of your potato stencils.
One day you will have to come out of your nuclear shelter and look around.
I hate to break it to you but McCarthy is no longer President.
Not being able to buy any new [personally autographed] posters for your bunker walls, should have given you a hint. ;-)

On Tue, 19 May 2015 17:28:28 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 2015 00:48:15 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote:


On Tue, 19 May 2015 13:55:22 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
I can drive all over Europe and have constant access to modern
communications.

No you can't. ?n some areas there are no roads and it is illegal
to
drive in the terrain. ?n other areas the roads are shut off for
the
public. ?n still other areas you can and are allowed to drive but
you
cannot get any connection with your cell phone.

Perhaps it's worse in the US, but you are overly optimistic if you
believe that cell phones work everywhere in Europe. They don't.


I know there are holes anywhere. But my experience driving around in
Europe is that typically always have a connection. And it doesn't
matter who my provider is. In the U.S., different carriers cover
different places, some places have no real coverage, and it's pretty
bad.

Different carriers cover different countries in Europe too. But we do
have roaming, allowing you to use a different carrier than your home
carrier when you're abroad . Are you saying that roaming does not
exist in the US?

On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 1:48:22 AM UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 May 2015 03:30:04 UTC+2, wsne... wrote:

Cell phone service is not a right.

Woohoo! Troglodyte alert!

Your blinkered flag waving is now so utterly predictable that I have stopped reading the vast majority of your potato stencils.
One day you will have to come out of your nuclear shelter and look around.
I hate to break it to you but McCarthy is no longer President.
Not being able to buy any new [personally autographed] posters for your bunker walls, should have given you a hint. ;-)

You must now present a coherent, logical argument that contradicts my earlier statement WRT cell phone service to go along with your hateful rant.

Good luck. You're going to need it.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:

I know there are holes anywhere. But my experience driving around in
Europe is that typically always have a connection.

Earlier you wrote:

"I can drive all over Europe and have constant access to modern
communications. I can move around in rural India, in northern Africa,
in rural Peru, and never lose contact."

So which is it?

On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Paul Schlyter wrote:

Different carriers cover different countries in Europe too. But we do
have roaming, allowing you to use a different carrier than your home
carrier when you're abroad . Are you saying that roaming does not
exist in the US?

http://www.comparecellular.com/coverage-maps/

You will note that most areas of Canada have no cell service, whereas most of the contiguous US does. YMMV.