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Old March 4th 14, 08:58 PM posted to sci.astro.research
Nicolaas Vroom
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For a copy of this document select this:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.0132
IMO the most interesting part are the following sentences:

In the final part of the manuscript, Einstein proposes a
mechanism to allow the density of matter remain constant
in a universe of expanding radius - namely,
the continuous formation of matter from empty space:
" If one considers a physically bounded volume, particles of matter
will be continually leaving it. For the density to remain constant,
new particles of matter must be continually formed in the
volume from space."

IMO this is a physical difficult problem.
The problem implies that constantly particles of the periodic
table are created out of nothing such that the density at large
remains constant.
This is specific problematic because the density at smaller scales
could be fluctuating.
I specific write physical problem because I think this is not
a mathematical problem.
The issue at large is the evolution of the universe. How did it start
(if there is a start) and how will it end (if there is an end) and
which are the processes in between. All of this is physics.

This morning I observed ducks landing in a pond. When a duck lands
it generates roughly 5 waves with a distance of roughly 2 meters.
The waves propagete outwards and the distance increases to 10
meters and the height deminishes. (all estimates).
The issue is that this physical phenomena is "identical" as
the lightsignals received from identical supernova's which
"duration" is a function of distance.
The point is the this increased "duration" is explained as
expansion of space (which also requires a more physical explanation)

All phylosophical thoughts...

Nicolaas Vroom.
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Old March 12th 14, 11:02 PM posted to sci.astro.research
Phillip Helbig---undress to reply
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In article , Nicolaas Vroom
writes:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.0132


Interesting.

In the final part of the manuscript, Einstein proposes a
mechanism to allow the density of matter remain constant
in a universe of expanding radius - namely,
the continuous formation of matter from empty space:
" If one considers a physically bounded volume, particles of matter
will be continually leaving it. For the density to remain constant,
new particles of matter must be continually formed in the
volume from space."

IMO this is a physical difficult problem.
The problem implies that constantly particles of the periodic
table are created out of nothing such that the density at large
remains constant.


Allow me to say that this of course has been debated in the context of
the steady-state theory of Bondi, Gold and Hoyle. The steady-state
theory has been ruled out for other reasons. (It was a good theory in
that it made testable predictions different from those of other
theories.) However, as Hoyle pointed out, continuous creation is in
principle something which could be understood based on study of the
current universe and is perhaps a priori less implausible than creating
the entire universe at once in the big bang.
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Old March 22nd 14, 08:42 AM posted to sci.astro.research
Richard D. Saam
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On 3/12/14, 5:02 PM, Phillip Helbig---undress to reply wrote:
Allow me to say that this of course has been debated in the context of
the steady-state theory of Bondi, Gold and Hoyle. The steady-state
theory has been ruled out for other reasons. (It was a good theory in
that it made testable predictions different from those of other
theories.) However, as Hoyle pointed out, continuous creation is in
principle something which could be understood based on study of the
current universe and is perhaps a priori less implausible than creating
the entire universe at once in the big bang.


'less implausible' but current thinking appears to be locked into
'creating the entire universe at once in the big bang'
in the context of inflationary theory
apparently substantiated by related gravitational B fields
perturbing the First Light CMBR
as presented in:
March 17th Press Conference on
Major Discovery at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

It is remarkable how scientists are driven
by philosophical inclinations a la Einstein and Lemaitre.
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Old March 31st 14, 08:21 AM posted to sci.astro.research
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In article , "Richard D. Saam"
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On 3/12/14, 5:02 PM, Phillip Helbig---undress to reply wrote:
Allow me to say that this of course has been debated in the context of
the steady-state theory of Bondi, Gold and Hoyle. The steady-state
theory has been ruled out for other reasons. (It was a good theory in
that it made testable predictions different from those of other
theories.) However, as Hoyle pointed out, continuous creation is in
principle something which could be understood based on study of the
current universe and is perhaps a priori less implausible than creating
the entire universe at once in the big bang.


'less implausible' but current thinking appears to be locked into
'creating the entire universe at once in the big bang'
in the context of inflationary theory
apparently substantiated by related gravitational B fields
perturbing the First Light CMBR
as presented in:
March 17th Press Conference on
Major Discovery at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

It is remarkable how scientists are driven
by philosophical inclinations a la Einstein and Lemaitre.


There are few, if any, cosmologists who are "locked into" some mode of
thinking and are thus not able to see the "truth". This
characterization is so wrong one can't even call it a caricature.

What has changed in the last couple of decades in cosmology is that it
is now a data-driven science. 60 years ago, it was easy to come up with
an arm-chair theory which agreed with all the known observations in
cosmology, since there were only a couple. That is no longer the case
today. Any theories still alive match ALL the observational data, which
is a HUGE requirement. The burden of proof is on the critic to come up
with a theory at least as powerful.

The primordial B-mode polarization you are referring to is in fact a
prediction of inflation. A good theory should make predictions, ideally
of things which won't be observable until some time in the future. If
the predictions are confirmed, then the theory looks more plausible.

A HUGE amount of work went into the detection of the primordial B-mode
polarization. It is really an insult to the dedication and hard work of
these people to claim that they are "locked in". No, quite the
opposite: they checked and double checked to make sure that the data
really say what they appear to say. There can be no question of them
being "locked in".
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Old March 31st 14, 12:55 PM posted to sci.astro.research
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In article , Phillip
Helbig---undress to reply writes:

The primordial B-mode polarization you are referring to is in fact a
prediction of inflation. A good theory should make predictions, ideally
of things which won't be observable until some time in the future. If
the predictions are confirmed, then the theory looks more plausible.

A HUGE amount of work went into the detection of the primordial B-mode
polarization. It is really an insult to the dedication and hard work of
these people to claim that they are "locked in". No, quite the
opposite: they checked and double checked to make sure that the data
really say what they appear to say. There can be no question of them
being "locked in".


Just to clarify he BICEP2 measured R (tensor-to-scalar ratio) to be
about 0.2, with a reasonably small error bar. Planck (though keep in
mind that all the Planck data, especially the polarization data, haven't
been released yet) has an upper limit of (IIRC) 0.11. All other
measurements, and there are many, are upper limits. So, if anything the
expectation of the BICEP2 folks was to get an upper limit, though
perhaps the best one yet. The result was thus not expected---quite the
opposite, it was something of a surprise. (The theoretical expectation
was to detect R 0 at some point, but no-one knew what the precise
value would be.) As Sagan said, extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence, so you can be sure this result was checked even
more than is usually the case (which is a lot).
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Old April 2nd 14, 08:03 AM posted to sci.astro.research
Richard D. Saam
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On 3/31/14, 2:21 AM, Phillip Helbig---undress to reply wrote:

A HUGE amount of work went into the detection of the primordial B-mode
polarization. It is really an insult to the dedication and hard work of
these people to claim that they are "locked in". No, quite the
opposite: they checked and double checked to make sure that the data
really say what they appear to say. There can be no question of them
being "locked in".

I watched the March 17th Press Conference
on Major Discovery at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
There is no doubt in the 'the dedication and hard work of these people'
in obtaining the 'primordial B-mode polarization'.
But the team made it clear to await the results
of many other concurrent studies.

After the presentation, Guth from the front row
did some 'arm-chairing' in speculating this data referred to a
multiverse concept. A "locked in" impression was given.

Yes, the data indicates that a universe proceeding from a small high
energy state to present is confirmed but it is too early to 'a priori'
negate in toto 'continuous creation' as Hoyle pointed out.

The next 5 year dark energy survey may provide additional science.
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Old April 3rd 14, 07:27 AM posted to sci.astro.research
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In article , "Richard D. Saam"
writes:

I watched the March 17th Press Conference
on Major Discovery at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics


Keep in mind that press conferences are kabuki theatre. :-)

There is no doubt in the 'the dedication and hard work of these people'
in obtaining the 'primordial B-mode polarization'.
But the team made it clear to await the results
of many other concurrent studies.


Of course. That's the opposite of being locked in to some
interpretation. Rather, they want to see if other observations will
confirm their results or disagree with them.

After the presentation, Guth from the front row
did some 'arm-chairing' in speculating this data referred to a
multiverse concept. A "locked in" impression was given.


One has to see the chain of logic. The primordial B-mode polarization
is a fairly robust prediction of inflation. Linde, and later Guth,
realized that inflation is more easily realized, if not only possible,
in the form of "eternal inflation", which more or less implies a
multiverse. So, assuming the second statement is true (it has been
consensus for a long time---and no, "consensus" doesn't mean "locked
in"), then the first statement (detection) implies the multiverse,
albeit via the intermediary of eternal inflation.

Yes, the data indicates that a universe proceeding from a small high
energy state to present is confirmed but it is too early to 'a priori'
negate in toto 'continuous creation' as Hoyle pointed out.


I don't see what you're getting at. In many respects, the inflationary
phase is quite similar to the steady-state theory. I just read Martin
Harwit's new book, where he quotes from Lightman's book of interviews.
Dennis Sciama recalls lunch with Guth and remarks that Guth's inflation
is essentially the steady-state theory, and Guth says "What's the
steady-state theory?"
 




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