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Old October 3rd 12, 05:21 PM posted to sci.space.history
Dean
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 8:27:14 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Oct 2, 12:24*pm, The Mighty TB wrote:

bob haller wrote:


archealogy is fine but tourism is a income generator...




now answer me this why all the excitement about the shuttles going to


museums? they will be big tourism draws.




Umm, no one has to fly to the Moon to retrieve a Space Shuttle.




T.B.




retrieving snoopy could be a non manned mission provided snoopy is in

decent shape, but a manned mission would have pizaz, if done long with

some other worthy activity.



plus it would provide some real science about how such a artifact

survives in deep space for 50 years.



might be possible to recover snoopy while visiting a asteroid...


And how are you going to get Snoopy to Earth's surface? Space elevator?
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Old October 3rd 12, 07:19 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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In article 72b2df03-5538-482b-80d9-f43b35974847
@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 2, 12:24*pm, The Mighty TB wrote:
bob haller wrote:
archealogy is fine but tourism is a income generator...


now answer me this why all the excitement about the shuttles going to
museums? they will be big tourism draws.


Umm, no one has to fly to the Moon to retrieve a Space Shuttle.

T.B.


retrieving snoopy could be a non manned mission provided snoopy is in
decent shape, but a manned mission would have pizaz, if done long with
some other worthy activity.


Speculation. What unmanned vehicle would be capable of this feat? No
existing vehicle, that can land on earth intact, is big enough to do so.
Even if such a vehicle existed, what's going to provide it the necessary
delta-V to get it to snoopy and bring it back?

plus it would provide some real science about how such a artifact
survives in deep space for 50 years.


Speculation. What new data would this provide which has not already
been provided by LDEF, station experiments, and the like?

might be possible to recover snoopy while visiting a asteroid...


Speculation that even more delta-V exists. Just what would the cost of
such a mission be in fuel? Getting fuel beyond earth orbit isn't
exactly cheap.

Jeff
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magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old October 4th 12, 01:47 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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for the trip to retrieve snoopy visit a asteroid in the area.... deep
space experience with a side benie..

now getting snoopy back from earth orbit will be a challenge,

in the 20 years it would take to do such a mission a transhab system
to return large objects might be available

or perhaps a dragon capsule version 100 for lofting really large
objects to orbit, and returning them.....

I see none of you answered my original question about what cndition
the LMs might be in.

were they built with pressure relief valves so tanks couldnt rupture
from overpressure? batteries explode etc
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Old October 4th 12, 05:31 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Oct 2, 4:53*am, Dean wrote:
On Monday, October 1, 2012 8:54:08 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:12*pm, bob haller wrote:


Did nasa ever state what would happen to the lower stage left on the


moon?? If the hydrazine fuels leaked it could of caused a explosion.


as far as I know orbital photos arent good enough for a definitive


condition report......


just wondering what nasa expected to happen?


another one would be snoopy which appeared to end up in heliospheric


orbit...... or some left over 2nd stages that werent crashed into the


moon


with the fuels and batteries, and gases i wonder how these leftovers


have aged........


wouldnt it be wonderful to retrieve some of these artifacts?


According to all things NASA/Apollo, the moon is actually quite


reflective, monochromatic and otherwise totally inert. *So, everything


should still be in 100% perfect condition.


No. according to YOU, that's what NASA/Apollo is saying. *The reality is otherwise but like most conspiracy nuts, your thoughts are not quite rooted in reality.


Our NASA/Apollo reality is mostly subjective, because most of their
supposedly worthy forensics is missing in action, and oddly can't be
replicated by anyone because the fly-by-rocket technology of that era
simply isn't trustworthy or sufficiently documented so that others
could follow in their footsteps.
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Old October 4th 12, 05:51 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:31:45 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Oct 2, 4:53*am, Dean wrote:

On Monday, October 1, 2012 8:54:08 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:


On Sep 30, 8:12*pm, bob haller wrote:




Did nasa ever state what would happen to the lower stage left on the




moon?? If the hydrazine fuels leaked it could of caused a explosion..




as far as I know orbital photos arent good enough for a definitive




condition report......




just wondering what nasa expected to happen?




another one would be snoopy which appeared to end up in heliospheric




orbit...... or some left over 2nd stages that werent crashed into the




moon




with the fuels and batteries, and gases i wonder how these leftovers




have aged........




wouldnt it be wonderful to retrieve some of these artifacts?




According to all things NASA/Apollo, the moon is actually quite




reflective, monochromatic and otherwise totally inert. *So, everything




should still be in 100% perfect condition.




No. according to YOU, that's what NASA/Apollo is saying. *The reality is otherwise but like most conspiracy nuts, your thoughts are not quite rooted in reality.




Our NASA/Apollo reality is mostly subjective, because most of their

supposedly worthy forensics is missing in action, and oddly can't be

replicated by anyone because the fly-by-rocket technology of that era

simply isn't trustworthy or sufficiently documented so that others

could follow in their footsteps.


Holy hell guthball, don't you spout your conspiracy theories enough already? You need to start taking your lithium. Unless that is, the government really is out to get you.
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Old October 4th 12, 07:32 PM posted to sci.space.history
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In article dd5db57f-2082-4137-b11e-503cad928113
@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com, says...

for the trip to retrieve snoopy visit a asteroid in the area.... deep
space experience with a side benie..


What asteroid is "in the area", in terms of delta-V? If such an
asteroid exists, you proposed to do this unmanned. What unmanned
asteroid mission is going to use a vehicle with enough delta-V to return
such a large object to earth?

In other words, you can't justify a mission by piggy-backing it on top
of a non-existent mission to a non-existent asteroid.

now getting snoopy back from earth orbit will be a challenge,

in the 20 years it would take to do such a mission a transhab system
to return large objects might be available


Transhab isn't designed to reenter earth's atmosphere intact.

or perhaps a dragon capsule version 100 for lofting really large
objects to orbit, and returning them.....


In other words, a non-existent vehicle.

I see none of you answered my original question about what cndition
the LMs might be in.


Moot point.

were they built with pressure relief valves so tanks couldnt rupture
from overpressure? batteries explode etc


I'll do you one better. The last time I checked, Snoopy's heliocentric
orbit has not yet been located. So, even if all of the other hurdles
could be overcome, you've got no destination for your mission.

If you know exactly where Snoopy is located, please let us all know.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old October 4th 12, 10:43 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Oct 4, 2:34*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...







bob haller wrote:


for the trip to retrieve snoopy visit a asteroid in the area.... deep
space experience with a side benie..


And just which asteroid would that be, Bobbert?


now getting snoopy back from earth orbit will be a challenge,


The first problem will be that Snoopy isn't IN Earth orbit...


I see none of you answered my original question about what cndition
the LMs might be in.


That's because NOBODY BUT YOU CARES.


We don't even know exactly where it is, let alone what shape it's in!

Last I checked, amateur astronomers have been searching for it, but have
not successfully located it.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer


well they did track what they first believed to be a earth crossing
asteroid due for a close pass to earth, shortly thereafter they
believed it to be a saturn 2nd stage that wasnt crashed into the
moon.....

unless aliens picked snoopy up its probably out there waiting for
discovery
 




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