Is ISS at risk?

Jeff Findley scribbled something like ...


I always forget about the B-1B. In a world where B-2 bombers can take
out ground based air defenses and B-52's can carry stand-off cruise
missiles, followd by B-52's carpet bombing using "dumb" bombs, I suppose
I don't see much of a point to the B-1B.

Isn't that what happened to it? It's mission fell off the table, but there
was enough emotional investment to bring a token number online.

I miss the B-58, too.

/dps

: bob haller
: i didnt buy into it just mentioned that the military probably has the
: ability to fry sats.

Way to move the goal posts. "It can be taken down by
a scud and some ball bearings!". Well, not really.
"So ok, ok, it can be taken down by a twenty gazillion dollar
installation built over a period of some years and enough power
to run a medium sized city! Oh noes!"

And of course that's even if you believe HAARP can fry satellites,
which seems moderately doubtful.

The point is, yes, the US military could fry satellites SOME way.
But that's not where you set the goalposts. You set them at
a rag-tag band of disgruntled fringe lunatics get their hands
on a scud and some ball bearings. Which is quite some distance away.

I assume you're referring to HAARP. *Why am I not surprised that you
buy into yet another conspiracy theory?

i didnt buy into it just mentioned that the military probably has the
ability to fry sats.

No, you didn't "just mention" that. *You claimed that "russia has
tried to blame the US for the loss of grunt, blaming the loss on a US
site in alaska".

I asked for a cite supporting that claim.

there you go, http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/0...s-wacky-r.html
you must live in a vacuum to not be up to date with current news

I asked for a cite supporting that claim.

there you go,http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/0...s-wacky-r.html
you must live in a vacuum to not be up to date with current news


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Russia's Wacky Radar Zapping Claims Continue

By Keith Cowing on January 17, 2012 2:36 PM 4 Comments



Did U.S. radar fry Russian Mars probe?, Washington Post

"Russian space officials are speculating that American radar may have
zapped the failed Mars moon probe that fell into the ocean Sunday, a
prominent Russian newspaper said Tuesday. In Washington, NASA rejected
the theory. NASA scientists were not using the Marshall Islands radar
on Nov. 9 to track an asteroid, as suggested by Russian space
officials, said Bob Jacobs, a NASA spokesman. Instead, the agency
employed radar stations only in California and Puerto Rico, he said."

Russian Probe Crash Sparks New Controversy, Jim Oberg, IEEE Spectrum

"Sadly, this knee-jerk blame shifting in the space industry has ramped
up in recent years. The real danger in the Russian nonsense about
finding the United States at fault for the crash isn't just the blow
to diplomacy and public attitudes. Also important is how such claims
prevent a proper investigation and get in the way of implementing a
reliable "fix."

Russians Strongly Hint At American Cause for Phobos-Grunt Failure,
earlier post

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Russia hints at foul play in its space failures
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The head of Russia's beleaguered space programme hinted on Tuesday
that foreign powers may be behind the string of failures that struck
his agency in the past year.

Roskosmos chief Vladimir Popovkin told the Izvestia daily he could not
understand why several launches went awry at precisely the moment the
spacecraft were travelling through areas invisible to Russian radar.

"It is unclear why our setbacks often occur when the vessels are
travelling through what for Russia is the 'dark' side of the Earth --
in areas where we do not see the craft and do not receive its
telemetry readings," he said.

"I do not want to blame anyone, but today there are some very powerful
countermeasures that can be used against spacecraft whose use we
cannot exclude," Popovkin told the daily.

One of Russia's most high-profile recent failures involved the
November launch of a Mars probe called Phobos-Grunt that got stuck in
a low Earth orbit and whose fragments are now expected to crash back
down on Sunday.

Popovkin said there was "no clarity" as to why the 13.5-tonne probe's
booster rocket failed to fire on schedule.

But he admitted the mission was risky to begin with because it
involved an underfunded project whose original designs went back to
Soviet times.

"If we did not manage to launch it in the window open in 2011 for a
Mars mission, we would have had to simply throw it away, writing off a
loss of five billion rubles ($160 million)," he said.

Popovkin was named the head of Russia's space agency in April after
its previous chief was sacked in the wake of an embarrassing loss of
three navigation satellites during launch.

Yet the problems only multiplied under his watch as Russia lost
several more satellites and also saw its Progress cargo ship
experience its first-ever failure on a mission to the International
Space Station.

The Mars mission setback was followed last month by the loss of the
Meridian communications satellite. Its fragments crashed into the
Novosibirsk region of central Siberia and hit a house ironically
located on Cosmonaut Street.

No injuries were reported but the 50-centimetre (20-inch) fragment
blew a hole in the home's roof.
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On Jan 15, 6:00*pm, bob haller wrote:
http://www.spacenews.com/civil/12011...-data-htv.html

could a terrorist command a HTV to *ram ISS???

There is simpler means to damage or destroy the station other than
ramming it.
And yes it has been worried about. Though it would require lots of
cooperation but
some nation like Iran could pull it off.

I didn't mention the means.......................Trig

In article ,
says...

bob haller wrote:
there you go, http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/01/russias-wacky-
r.html
you must live in a vacuum to not be up to date with current news

That's not a cite. It's a meta-cite. It's pointing to some unnamed
Russian source about some unnamed Russians making claims.

I asked for a CITE.

Note the title of the article? That's not considered 'news' by sane
people; it's "wacky".

Bob, Fred is right.

These kinds of b.s. articles using unnamed sources come out of "the
Russian media" all the time. They're created to sell newspapers. That
doesn't mean that a word of it is true, especially when you thrown in
Russian to English translation by someone who may not have a clue how to
translate technical terms, especially ones used by aerospace engineers.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Jan 20, 8:29*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...



bob haller wrote:
there you go,http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/01/russias-wacky-
r.html
you must live in a vacuum to not be up to date with current news

That's not a cite. *It's a meta-cite. *It's pointing to some unnamed
Russian source about some unnamed Russians making claims.

I asked for a CITE.

Note the title of the article? *That's not considered 'news' by sane
people; it's "wacky".

Bob, Fred is right.

These kinds of b.s. articles using unnamed sources come out of "the
Russian media" all the time. *They're created to sell newspapers. *That
doesn't mean that a word of it is true, especially when you thrown in
Russian to English translation by someone who may not have a clue how to
translate technical terms, especially ones used by aerospace engineers.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

thats a nasawatch article.or at least a similiar one was there

i doubt its true the us would have no reason to attack grunt/

but the us military has stated publically it wants control of space.

that unmanned mini shuttle could be designed for such a use...

and much is said about first strike and new style attacks like taking
out the nations power grid.

In article e28e77f9-02e8-4426-a81c-ac404017cbf8
@a40g2000vbu.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 20, 8:29*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
These kinds of b.s. articles using unnamed sources come out of "the
Russian media" all the time. *They're created to sell newspapers. *That
doesn't mean that a word of it is true, especially when you thrown in
Russian to English translation by someone who may not have a clue how to
translate technical terms, especially ones used by aerospace engineers.

thats a nasawatch article.or at least a similiar one was there

Keith put it on NASA Watch so he could point out how *stupid* the
Russian news media accusations are.

Keith also liked to a James Oberg article on the subject:

Russian Probe Crash Sparks New Controversy
POSTED BY: James Oberg / Tue, January 17, 2012
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/a...russian-probe-
crash-sparks-new-controversy

Quote from above:

Sadly, this knee-jerk blame shifting in the space industry
has ramped up in recent years. The real danger in the Russian
nonsense about finding the United States at fault for the
crash isn't just the blow to diplomacy and public attitudes.
Also important is how such claims prevent a proper
investigation and get in the way of implementing a reliable
"fix."

Phantom "causes" lead to delusional, even damaging, responses.
That raises the level of danger to which everybody whose
lives depend on Russian spacecraft?and that now includes U.S.
and other astronauts-is exposed.

In other words, James Oberg believes that such wild accusations, which
you seem to specialize in, actually hurt the program rather than help
it. You seem to be on the losing team Bob.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Jan 20, 12:52*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article e28e77f9-02e8-4426-a81c-ac404017cbf8
@a40g2000vbu.googlegroups.com, says...



On Jan 20, 8:29*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
These kinds of b.s. articles using unnamed sources come out of "the
Russian media" all the time. *They're created to sell newspapers. *That
doesn't mean that a word of it is true, especially when you thrown in
Russian to English translation by someone who may not have a clue how to
translate technical terms, especially ones used by aerospace engineers.

thats a nasawatch article.or at least a similiar one was there

Keith put it on NASA Watch so he could point out how *stupid* the
Russian news media accusations are.

Keith also liked to a James Oberg article on the subject:

Russian Probe Crash Sparks New Controversy
POSTED BY: James Oberg */ *Tue, January 17, 2012http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/space-flight/russian-probe-
crash-sparks-new-controversy

Quote from above:

* *Sadly, this knee-jerk blame shifting in the space industry
* *has ramped up in recent years. The real danger in the Russian
* *nonsense about finding the United States at fault for the
* *crash isn't just the blow to diplomacy and public attitudes.
* *Also important is how such claims prevent a proper
* *investigation and get in the way of implementing a reliable
* *"fix."

* *Phantom "causes" lead to delusional, even damaging, responses.
* *That raises the level of danger to which everybody whose
* *lives depend on Russian spacecraft?and that now includes U.S.
* *and other astronauts-is exposed.

In other words, James Oberg believes that such wild accusations, which
you seem to specialize in, actually hurt the program rather than help
it. *You seem to be on the losing team Bob.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

i wasnt stating it occured, just that it was reported and some of the
quoted russians appear in management rolls.

beyond which someone knowledgable might try to command a sat nearby
ISS to ram the station.

most likely a nutjob who works in the industry and controls sats for a
living.

years ago a cairo airlines pilot crashed a large commercial airliner
he was piloting intentially into the ocean. this was covered on air
emegency tv show. it looks back into the facts of how accidents
happen.

theres that fed x cargo pilot who tried unsuccessfuly to fly a large
airliner into the fed x hub. it was a close thing, the other flight
crew stopped him but cant pilot anymore. they have brain damage from
the baseball bat he used......

that fellow is serving a life sentence with no parole in supermax
florence colorado.

a windowless prison, with sound proof cells, no tv, no radio, no one
to talk to, minimal food. out of cell in shackles just one hour a day.
guards arent allowed chit chat wuth the inmates......

most inmates end up insane in no time at all, many were likely nuts
before sentence to jail.

these are bad people and deserve to be locked up! but our constitution
clearly says no cruel punishment.

our country ha lost it founding fathers values