Gruesome question apollo 13

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:37:06 -0400, John Beaderstadt
wrote:

And then, if you killed yourself inside the CM or LM, you'd leave a
hell of a mess for the survivors that they couldn't clean up without
using a lot of what they were trying to conserve.

....This reminds me of one of those Bibble Thumper shows from around
1970 or so, involving an Astronaut who's going to kill himself on the
Moon to prove some point, and his LMP spending the rest of the show
quoting the Bible and trying to convince the CDR that suicide is *not*
the way God wants you to **** up your life. I tried doing a google on
it, as well as an IMDB search, and found nothing. I remember this one
especially because the helmets they wore looked like something they
raided from the "Destination Moon" costume storage bin :-)

....Oh, and IIRC he doesn't commit suicide, finds Jesus, and all that
mess, and ends up going back home. Regretfully, we don't get the
review board session footage :-(

OM

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What an odd non-sequitur: "Someone's going to die. Have a great
day!"


Have a great day was specifically added for a poster at another group who
complained I was so negative I really should remove that signature
altogether.. editing it is a PIA

Buzz or Neil who said they'd spend their last moments alive on the
moon trying to fix the LM; doing a self-flit would imply giving up
and wouldn't be in character for that particular personality profile.


Ahh thats the kinda question I was really asking. BTW my question might have
originated after watching a movie the other night where a astronaut
intentionally opens his helmet to vacuum to save other. some mars movie???? not
sure, heart rentching scene...

my point is that if were not careful this might actually occur one day
Because of lack of planning , lack of redundancy, and a general run things on
the edge dont worry about it attitude....

On a gruesome note in apollo 13s case I guess the most effective method would
be to close your suit, and disconnect from the oxygen. after a short time it
would be over.suit would contain odors too.

I sure hope we get things together before we end up discussing this for real
HAVE A GREAT DAY!

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:37:06 -0400, John Beaderstadt
wrote:

And then, if you killed yourself inside the CM or LM, you'd leave a
hell of a mess for the survivors that they couldn't clean up without
using a lot of what they were trying to conserve.

...This reminds me of one of those Bibble Thumper shows from around
1970 or so, involving an Astronaut who's going to kill himself on the
Moon to prove some point, and his LMP spending the rest of the show
quoting the Bible and trying to convince the CDR that suicide is *not*
the way God wants you to **** up your life. I tried doing a google on
it, as well as an IMDB search, and found nothing. I remember this one
especially because the helmets they wore looked like something they
raided from the "Destination Moon" costume storage bin :-)

...Oh, and IIRC he doesn't commit suicide, finds Jesus, and all that
mess, and ends up going back home. Regretfully, we don't get the
review board session footage :-(

Argh! I remember this show from when it was first aired (at least in my
market). Boy was it terrible. It ended with the song "He's got the whole
world in his hands". That, along with seeing a rubber ball globe inspired me
to wonder if a dyslexic fundie would sing a song "he's got the whole world
in his jaws".

In article ,
John Beaderstadt wrote:
Anyway, I like to argue from historical example, but history furnishes
a plethora of heros and cowards. On balance, though, I suspect no one
is going to "take a walk," the way what's-his-name did in Antarctica...

Moreover, on a historical note, there is some reason to believe that Oates
took his walk simply because he was in constant pain and had despaired of
ever making it home. The legend of noble self-sacrifice -- like many
aspects of the popular version of Scott's expedition -- appears to have
been manufactured for posterity, partly by Scott himself and partly by his
backers (who edited Scott's diary quite heavily for publication).
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On 18 Aug 2004 23:29:09 -0700, "Stou Sandalski"
wrote:

don't give FOX any ideas please.

Wasn't something like that in the movie "Marooned"?

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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:48:40 -0400, "Ami Silberman"
wrote:

Argh! I remember this show from when it was first aired (at least in my
market). Boy was it terrible. It ended with the song "He's got the whole
world in his hands". That, along with seeing a rubber ball globe inspired me
to wonder if a dyslexic fundie would sing a song "he's got the whole world
in his jaws".

....Yeah, I'd still like to find out what religious Sunday Morning
Community Access Ghetto anthology program it was part of. I did
another hour of googling, and couldn't find **** on it. Which means
that if even the Bibble Thumpers have forgotten it, it *must* have
been a stinker.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

Henry Spencer wrote:

In article ,
John Beaderstadt wrote:

Anyway, I like to argue from historical example, but history furnishes
a plethora of heros and cowards. On balance, though, I suspect no one
is going to "take a walk," the way what's-his-name did in Antarctica...


Moreover, on a historical note, there is some reason to believe that Oates
took his walk simply because he was in constant pain and had despaired of
ever making it home. The legend of noble self-sacrifice -- like many
aspects of the popular version of Scott's expedition -- appears to have
been manufactured for posterity, partly by Scott himself and partly by his
backers (who edited Scott's diary quite heavily for publication).


Oates certainly had some doubts about Scott's leadership and
decision to include him for the push to the pole. On the way back,
it is entirely all too possible that Oates decided he was better off
alone pushing ahead. They weren't going to make it if they camped
every day the weather was bad.


Now, there was the Donner party where someone suggested a scheme
of drawing lots. In the end, they settled on a nominating committee,
who naturally nominated the two helpful indians who were out of camp
at that time.

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On 18 Aug 2004 23:29:09 -0700, "Stou Sandalski"
wrote:

don't give FOX any ideas please.

Wasn't something like that in the movie "Marooned"?


Yes. In the film tie-in book Stone suggests doing it scientifically.
"The two big guys throw the little guy out".
It's also in Herge's "Destination Moon".
Did "The Cape" consider it as a possible story? For instance, if a
shuttle had some catastrophic failure and couldn't return, would oxygen
be the limiting factor until a (hypothetical) rescue was launched, or
would something else kill them first?

(bob haller) wrote:

I sure hope we get things together before we end up discussing this for real

In your drug fueled fantasy world, it's possible to 'get things
together'.

Out here in the real world, adults take responsibility and work out as
much as is reasonable. The when sh*t happens, as it invariably does,
we hoist a beer in remembrance and get back to work.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

In article ,
Charles Buckley wrote:
Moreover, on a historical note, there is some reason to believe that Oates
took his walk simply because he was in constant pain and had despaired of
ever making it home...

...it is entirely all too possible that Oates decided he was better off
alone pushing ahead.

Not pushing ahead -- he didn't take anything with him, and conditions were
most unfavorable. He was definitely committing suicide; the point is that
he was quite probably doing it simply to end his own pain, rather than
nobly sacrificing himself that his comrades might live.

They weren't going to make it if they camped
every day the weather was bad.

Unfortunately, given that they relied on being able to *see* their supply
caches to find them, and that they'd cut their supplies too fine and could
not survive missing a cache(*), they really couldn't travel a lot in poor
visibility. And they were already suffering from inadequate clothing;
traveling in storms would have made their frostbite problems worse.

(* Partly because Scott had made little allowance for delays when he sized
the supply caches. Whereas Amundsen assumed that he would be unable to
travel one day out of every four, and planned supplies accordingly. )

Despite bad weather, the remaining members of the party probably *could*
have made it to their next cache if they'd tried pushing on from their
last camp. But they were still a long way from safety, in bad shape with
the weather steadily worsening, and that cache wouldn't have saved them.
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