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Venus casts a shadow...
Chris Taylor wrote:
You ever thought of writing a book? Constantly since infant school. But I take your point and shall attempt to refrain from such verbosity in future. ;-) Chris.B *];^}# |
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Chris B
I have absolutely no arguments with guys who technically believe their very geocentric views ,personally I would be embarrased to be seen correcting the notions which lead into ' phases of Venus' and so on which are again very geocentric - "Last year (2004), Venus captured everyone's imagination with a spectacular transit across the Sun's surface. Technically, during such an event, we, on planet Earth, are looking at the shadow of Venus as the planet blocks a tiny portion of the light from the Sun." http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/Venus/shadow-of-venus.html My astronomical language is different than yours,it comes from a different and exciting era where observations delighted the reasoning of men and it still does despite the empirical assault on the astronomical methods and the great Western heliocentric insights. Look at yourselves for goodness sake,the magnificense of the rotation of the foreground Milky Way stars is before you with all its consequences and the most notable achievement you see is a damn shadow. Surely events have reached their astronomical nadir. |
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oriel36
You call yourself an oriel yet you like the sound of your own voice as much as any member of the parrot family. (And make about as much sense) Goodbye Chris.B |
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Venus casts a shadow...
Very few days go by that you are presented with new and relevent
astronomical material and even if you are not fluent in heliocentric astronomical language and comfortable with the material involved there is no undue fuss made given that most here are quasi-geocentrists and cannot grasp simple things like changes in orbital orientation and its consequences. You probably 'understand' the Nasa explanation for the Equation of Time based on daylight/darkness asymmetry - http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...s/980116c.html The real asymmetry is common to both hemispheres and involves the total length of a day regardless of hemispherical differences of winter/summer.The Equation of Time reflects the Keplerian change in orbital orientation against fixed axial orientation and the constant motion of the Earth on its axis. Unfortunately the 17th century cataloguers and their descendents are known through Ra and Dec,introduced an astronomical fudge known as the analemma to fit terrestial longitudes to the celestial sphere. I still allow that intelligence is common to all but not wisdom.Wisdom has that depth of joy and remorse which conditions all judgements in human affairs and every single day that this cancer eats away at a rich astronomical heritage and the Western society which once was fertile ground for accepting the Copernican insight is now a barren and sterile ground of novelty and pretension. The Copernican insights towers above the theoretical assault on its methods and principles , for even the nobleness of the antecedent Ptolemaic ideas in using epicycles out of retrogrades is far superior to tethering planetary motion to a 4 year and 1 day calendrical average that marks Newtonian quasi-geocentrists and their cataloguing cronies. You feel no remorse for what was destroyed to make way for a useless ballistic agenda that never worked and apparently freed astronomer's from the intuitive task of discerning true celestial motions and structure from apparent observations. |
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Dr John Stockton wrote:
He is widely kill-ruled. and those who have set such a rule are blissfully ignorant of the content of his posts ... until someone responds to them. Please do not again be that someone. .. John May one humbly suggest that you killfile me at your earliest opportunity? You may rest assured that the contents of my own posts have a vanishingly small chance of holding the least interest for you. Moreover, nothing is ever likely to change in this regard. So killfile and be damned! :-) Yours sincerely Chris.B |
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To Stockton
This is an open forum and your politics never extended to the unmoderated newsgroups ,the only moderation necessary is not to read the posts.As most are concerned with imaging and nothing else they can be left to their own devices however in technical matters,people like you just do not have that astronomical gift or the feel for the material you are working with. Even the most basic transfer of the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to the heliocentric adaption of axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour withers under your brute cataloguing inheritance for in creating an astronomical framework on a homogenised calendar/clock system you make a mess of things. The orbital orientation of Venus is extremely useful in determining why the upcoming total length of a day for both hemispheres is asymmeterical with the Jume 21st day,the asymmetry is incredibly significant for determining seasonal averages based on the relationship between independent axial and orbital motions. I have never once faulted anyone with being unfamiliar with the material as I know only too well that it is buried under 3 centuries of misconduct that introduced an analemmatic fudge to make terrestial longitude fit with a celestial sphere/calendar system.You are indeed blissfully ignorant and would have others made so,the alternative is that raw astronomical gift in working with motions and orientations just like the early heliocentrists did. The tyranny of ostracism only applies if a person submits to being a beggar at the door of consensus,given that the Newtonian rendering for heliocentricity through retrogrades is utterly silly and nothing like the original Copernican reasoning,I enjoy the luxury of knowing the difference.Turns out that what you think is astronomy is nothing more than a bookeeping method based on the 4 year and 1 day calendar system. Again,you just do not have the astronomical gift which cannot be rote learned or can be bought (telescope) but everyone has the seeds of that gift if they allow celestial phenomena to dictate avenues and insights. Here is the correct explanation for retrogrades - http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html Here is the corrupt Newtonian notion - "For to the earth they appear sometimes direct, sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen direct.." http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm The person who intuitively knows what is correct and what is not is half way to understanding and applying a more substantial astronomical relevence to the orbital orientation of Venus and more importantly to the Earth's changing orbital orientation. |
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I have to ask you this Chris.
This is an unmoderated forum where individuals are free to choose to respond to or read any post.If some underlying consensus can designate a so-called kill-rule which obviously is adhered to,I call that intellectual slavery of the worse kind. The Copernican insight of a faster Earth taking an inner orbital circuit to the slower moving outer planets was waiting for a medium like the internet to emerge.Using time lapse footage and easy access,the Copernican insight really comes into its own using the internet and no doubt the Keplerian and Roemerian insights become easier to comprehend,likewise the corrupt Newtonian resolution for retrogrades is fairly easy to see. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html The thing is so lively and so enjoyable using contemporary technology that the intuitive side of astronomy or what Kepler called 'contemplative astronomy' should be part and parcel of observations.Observations which lack the perception of scale and size of our parent Sun and orbital geometry are amplified as mere cataloguing alone dilutes the ability to appreciate the heliocentric geometry. If you were to show a teenager how retrogrades work using time lapse footage or the traffic roundabout analogy writ large and then brought them outside to show how the faster Earth has overtaken the orbit of Mars making it appear to go backwards and within a few days will appear to go forwards,they will have an astronomical education in how to seperate the axial and orbital motion of the Earth from each other. Why stick with a corrupt Newtonian resolution for retrogrades which is useless but serves the diluted astronomical bookeeping methods of the celestial sphere allied to the 4 year and 1 day calendrical average . "For to the earth they[ planetary motions] appear sometimes direct, sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen direct.." http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm If you would not teach children that the Earth and life on it did not evolve in seven days why would you teach the same children that you are required to jump to the Sun to resolve retrogrades and infer heliocentricity.Do not assume that the corrupt Newtonian view is any less disruptive than creationist ideologies,unfortunately the Newtonian view is now the view of the majority and the uninformed. Kill-ruled,well that's a new one,what's next, an entlosung. |
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