Venus casts a shadow...

Very illuminating. Well, someone had to say it.

Pete K

"PeteK" typed


Well, someone had to say it.

Twice? Yawn.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

To Pete

"The Sun and Moon are pretty obvious but it was the third that
fascinated me - Venus. Last year (2004), Venus captured everyone's
imagination with a spectacular transit across the Sun's surface.
Technically, during such an event, we, on planet Earth, are looking at
the shadow of Venus as the planet blocks a tiny portion of the light
from the Sun."

You have got to be kidding,I mean you truly have to be kidding.

You are looking at the orbital shadow of Venus which is a local
condition of the orbital orientation of Venus to the Sun.

The astronomical transits allows you to discern that Mercury and
Venus orbit the Sun in inner orbital ciruits while the vary speeds of
apparent retrogrades allow you to dictate the arrangement of the
outer planets .

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

Dear, oh dear, oh dear,you know what,stick with this harmless
cataloguing and intepretation of transits which emerges from that form
of Newtonian quasi-geocentricity.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:04:13 +0000, PeteK wrote:

Very illuminating. Well, someone had to say it.

Pete K

I suggest you have a look at:-
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...htm?list187268

Also very illuminating.

Norman

To Norman

Dear oh dear oh dear.

The orbital orientation of Venus presently displays the side facing
direct sunlight and the side in its own orbital shadow.It is this
change in orbital orientation against fixed axial orientation that
generates the seasons.

To assign 'phases' to Venus is almost too painful to bear given the
incredible loss of heliocentric information involved in the change in
orbital orientation.

Oh well,at least the cataloguers will be happy.

To Norman

When the guys in Nasa grow up and discover that Venus does not have
phases but that it is a normal consequence of the Earth's orbital
motion to the orbital orientation of Venus to the Sun

http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/distance/...ams/p4/415.GIF

Maybe some bright spark over in Nasa will also discover that the
orbital orientation changes in accordance with Keplerian orbital motion
-

http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronom...ages/04f15.jpg

The thing about all this is that it is not at all difficult yet within
the few motions and orientations there are some of the greatest things
imaginable.

In any case go back to your quasi-geocentricity with your
constellations, phases,risings and settings.It must be some guilty
pleasure knowing that one of the greatest Western achievements -
heliocentric astronomy, is buried under this simpleminded cataloguing
based on the calendar system and the celestial sphere.

How many times do you have to admire each other's photographs.

"Pete Lawrence" wrote in message
...
...and as far as I can tell, no one has ever photographed it before
(although I'm sure someone will tell me if this is wrong!).

http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/Venus/shadow-of-venus.html

--
Pete
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk

..... and now NASA have published your work in their latest newsletter:

NASA Science News for November 28, 2005
The planet Venus is growing so bright, it's actually casting shadows. You
may be able to see them this week.

FULL STORY at

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2....htm?list86183

Well done and congratulations.

Andy Lawson

oriel36 wrote:

Nothing of importance?

You sound just like that old 78 stuck in the same groove in a block of
council flats. Scraping away until somebody discovered the poor sod who
had been living there had been dead for several months.

Enquiries quickly discovered the occupier was a violent pest and
eccentric who bullied his neighbours wherever he had lived. Being moved
on at regular intervals as life for his neighbours eventually became
unbearable and the complaints to police and council could no longer be
easily dismissed.

The initial feelings of guilt after newspaper reports of his lonely
death quickly subsided. To be replaced by indignation that the
authorities had not kept him in a safe environment. Where he could not
beat up innocent elderly neighbours and stuff his own flat right up to
the ceilings with worthless and highly-inflammable rubbish.

His passage through this world was pointless and damaging except by
example. I knew that man by association with one of his more
unfortunate neighbours. One who had earlier had to have hospital
treatment after being attacked without provocation by this strange man.
He never felt safe again after the ordeal and was forced to move from
his own lovely 2-floor Georgian flat where he had lived for 30 years
bringing up his own family. The council would not move the violent man
initially because the police were unable to find any witnesses to the
attack despite his long history of problems.

On hearing of his death, my immediate wish was that this nuisance lay
there long enough to 'enjoy' the torture of the repetition to which he
had subjected his own neighbours so endlessly. So that the track slowly
burnt through the walls of selfishness he had set up between himself
and reality. That he would finally begin to feel ashamed of the utter
waste of his life and the harm he had caused to others.

But his body was too decomposed to ever know how long he had lain there
listening before he died. If at all. When they finally broke down the
door the stink was unbearable and what little space was left was full
of flies. Nobody noticed the stuck record was now completely
unintelligible in the locked shellac groove. The rescue workers had to
fight their way through the vast piles of junk to turn off the awful
racket.

Of course you're not at all like that man and you have nothing whatever
to learn from this.

Have you?

Goodbye
Chris.B

Sir Peter Lawrence?

It has a nice ring to it.

Well done Pete! (Sir) :-)

Regards
Chris.B

"Chris.B" wrote in message
oups.com...
oriel36 wrote:

Nothing of importance?

You sound just like that old 78 stuck in the same groove in a block of
council flats. Scraping away until somebody discovered the poor sod who
had been living there had been dead for several months.


You ever thought of writing a book?