Aether has mass

On Jan 2, 4:38Â*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Jan 2, 4:34Â*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

But apparently only if you say so.

Can you get one other certified physics wizard to agree with or go
along with that statement of "Displaced aether pushing back toward
matter is gravity"?

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the “fluidic� nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as that which produces
resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass
of an object with velocity. The resistance to acceleration is the
displaced aether 'displacing back'.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (D’Alembert’s paradox)
corresponds to Newton’s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the
mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is
displaced by the object.

The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the
gravitational aether.

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking
Entropy'http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to
solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the
most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum
mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the
vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is ∼ 60 orders of
magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum
density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of
gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a
theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of
the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the
consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires
introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether
[14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible
fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure),
which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical,
and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

__3__
32πGN Gμν = Tμν − Tα gμν + Tμν ,
Tμν = p (uμ uν + gμν ), T μν;ν = 0,

where GN is Newton’s constant, Tμν is the matter energy momentum
tensor and Tμν is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid.. In
vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive
if αg 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

Ether is so very pure,that I can not think of it having "real
particles" It has real waves that give it a tiny force. These real
waves are created when two virtual particles hit each other. Casimir
plates show this.We know this happens very close to a BH event
horizon. This action can give acceleration to the one thrown
back.Acceleration very close to c.,or even the speed of a neutrino??
Ether is full of photons and neutrinos. Wave force of the ether is
both push & pull. I will post my reason for that observation soon .
TreBert.

On Jan 2, 8:39Â*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Jan 2, 4:38Â*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Jan 2, 4:34Â*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back toward matter is gravity.

But apparently only if you say so.

Can you get one other certified physics wizard to agree with or go
along with that statement of "Displaced aether pushing back toward
matter is gravity"?

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the “fluidic� nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as that which produces
resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass
of an object with velocity. The resistance to acceleration is the
displaced aether 'displacing back'.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (D’Alembert’s paradox)
corresponds to Newton’s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the
mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is
displaced by the object.

The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the
gravitational aether.

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking
Entropy'http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to
solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the
most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum
mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the
vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is ∼ 60 orders of
magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum
density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of
gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a
theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of
the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the
consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires
introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether
[14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible
fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure),
which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical,
and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

__3__
32πGN Gμν = Tμν − Tα gμν + Tμν ,
Tμν = p (uμ uν + gμν ), T μν;ν = 0,

where GN is Newton’s constant, Tμν is the matter energy momentum
tensor and Tμν is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid. In
vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive
if αg 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

Ether is so very pure,that I can not think of it having "real
particles" It has real waves that give it a tiny force. These real
waves are created when two virtual particles hit each other. Casimir
plates show this.We know this happens very close to a BH event
horizon. This action can give acceleration to the one thrown
back.Acceleration very close to c.,or even the speed of a neutrino??
Ether is full of photons and neutrinos. Â*Wave force of the ether is
both push & pull. I will post my reason for that observation soon .
TreBert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir...#Vacuum_energy

"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with
interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the
field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest
position"

A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of
the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.

Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The
displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back
toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of
the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is
more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which
encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether
which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which
encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.

What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same
phenomenon as gravity.

There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass
and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically
displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

your botty behavior only shows that,
you cannot answer the simplest question;
why do you believe in an absolute vacuum?

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. There is no such thing as
non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.

Galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

A 'new dark force' is more speculative than understanding space itself
has mass.

'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the
Universe'
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...ll-dark-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely
interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself
and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies.
Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something —
perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But
this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself
in a completely new an unexpected way, a “dark force” that affects
only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the aether displaced by each of the galaxy
clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which
pass by each other.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...ein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with
the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
state of displacement of the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...er_ring_featur...

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The analogy are two boats which pass by
each other very closely. Their bow waves slosh back and forth and
create a ripple in the water.

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime
physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the
aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than
in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the
interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter
the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the solar system.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a
sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...004.1475v1.pdf

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential
in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic
field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very
closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether.
The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under
water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and
the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the
water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the
lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from
the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of
the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by
the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to
remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The
submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The
state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains
the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is
not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what
is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through
and displace the aether.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether
displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double
slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.

I bet you're a real smooth talker with the ladies, MP3


On 3/7/2013 3:23 PM, mpc755 wrote:
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. There is no such thing as
non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.

Galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

A 'new dark force' is more speculative than understanding space itself
has mass.

'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the
Universe'
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...ll-dark-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely
interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself
and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies.
Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something —
perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But
this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself
in a completely new an unexpected way, a “dark force” that affects
only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the aether displaced by each of the galaxy
clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which
pass by each other.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...ein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with
the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
state of displacement of the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...er_ring_featur...

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The analogy are two boats which pass by
each other very closely. Their bow waves slosh back and forth and
create a ripple in the water.

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime
physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the
aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than
in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the
interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter
the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the solar system.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a
sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...004.1475v1.pdf

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential
in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic
field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very
closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether.
The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under
water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and
the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the
water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the
lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from
the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of
the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by
the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to
remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The
submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The
state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains
the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is
not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what
is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through
and displace the aether.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether
displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double
slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.



--
"OK you ****s, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. There is no such thing as
non-baryonic dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and
displaces the aether.

Galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

A 'new dark force' is more speculative than understanding space itself
has mass.

'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the
Universe'
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...ll-dark-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely
interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself
and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies.
Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something —
perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But
this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself
in a completely new an unexpected way, a “dark force” that affects
only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the aether displaced by each of the galaxy
clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which
pass by each other.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...ein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with
the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
state of displacement of the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...er_ring_featur...

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The analogy are two boats which pass by
each other very closely. Their bow waves slosh back and forth and
create a ripple in the water.

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime
physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the
aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than
in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the
interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter
the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the solar system.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a
sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...004.1475v1.pdf

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential
in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic
field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very
closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether.
The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under
water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and
the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the
water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the
lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from
the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of
the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by
the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to
remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The
submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The
state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains
the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is
not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what
is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through
and displace the aether.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether
displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double
slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.

so, what is the minimum number of atoms in free space,
necessary for propogation of lightwaves (as opposed
to teh self-sustaining lightrocks of newton/einstein/
copenhagenskool) ??

that was a hypothesis of yours, apparently the first,
possibly the last.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.

of course, any of the dingleberries on the beach should
be able to answer such a question.

On Mar 7, 7:02*pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:
so, what is the minimum number of atoms in free space,
necessary for propogation of lightwaves (as opposed
to teh self-sustaining lightrocks of newton/einstein/
copenhagenskool) ??

that was a hypothesis of yours, apparently the first,
possibly the last.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.

of course, any of the dingleberries on the beach should
be able to answer such a question.

Light waves are aether displacement waves.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than
in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the
interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter
the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the solar system.

On Mar 7, 7:02*pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:
so, what is the minimum number of atoms in free space,
necessary for propogation of lightwaves (as opposed
to teh self-sustaining lightrocks of newton/einstein/
copenhagenskool) ??

that was a hypothesis of yours, apparently the first,
possibly the last.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.

of course, any of the dingleberries on the beach should
be able to answer such a question.

Light waves are aether displacement waves.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than
in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the
interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter
the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the solar system.

bot, meet the newsgroup;
we wish to endow you with "human comprehension of ****;"
thank you.

thus:
every *analysis situs* has to be proven
to particulars, esp.ith reference to measuerments of "stuff
out heresville.

"spacetime" is a sorry rattle-trap of a bad anaolgy,
taken to proverbial extremes of cartesianism;
use quaternions as the essentially "3-plus-a-totally-different-ONE-
so-called-dimensionality.

now, Fermat did not extend his method of coordination
to three dimensions, even; it was still better!

see http://larouchepub.com; thank you.

yes, but these ideal spaces are all nested by dimensionality,
N+1, not always in a simple (descartesian tensor-product or -sum) way;

Both yes and no.