Venus casts a shadow...

Chris Taylor wrote:

You ever thought of writing a book?

Constantly since infant school.

But I take your point and shall attempt to refrain from such verbosity
in future. ;-)

Chris.B

*];^}#

Chris B

I have absolutely no arguments with guys who technically believe their
very geocentric views ,personally I would be embarrased to be seen
correcting the notions which lead into ' phases of Venus' and so on
which are again very geocentric -

"Last year (2004), Venus captured everyone's imagination with a
spectacular transit across the Sun's surface. Technically, during such
an event, we, on planet Earth, are looking at the shadow of Venus as
the planet blocks a tiny portion of the light from the Sun."

http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/Venus/shadow-of-venus.html

My astronomical language is different than yours,it comes from a
different and exciting era where observations delighted the reasoning
of men and it still does despite the empirical assault on the
astronomical methods and the great Western heliocentric insights.

Look at yourselves for goodness sake,the magnificense of the rotation
of the foreground Milky Way stars is before you with all its
consequences and the most notable achievement you see is a damn shadow.

Surely events have reached their astronomical nadir.

oriel36

You call yourself an oriel yet you like the sound of your own voice as
much as any member of the parrot family. (And make about as much sense)

Goodbye

Chris.B

Very few days go by that you are presented with new and relevent
astronomical material and even if you are not fluent in heliocentric
astronomical language and comfortable with the material involved there
is no undue fuss made given that most here are quasi-geocentrists and
cannot grasp simple things like changes in orbital orientation and its
consequences.

You probably 'understand' the Nasa explanation for the Equation of Time
based on daylight/darkness asymmetry -

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...s/980116c.html

The real asymmetry is common to both hemispheres and involves the total
length of a day regardless of hemispherical differences of
winter/summer.The Equation of Time reflects the Keplerian change in
orbital orientation against fixed axial orientation and the constant
motion of the Earth on its axis.

Unfortunately the 17th century cataloguers and their descendents are
known through Ra and Dec,introduced an astronomical fudge known as the
analemma to fit terrestial longitudes to the celestial sphere.


I still allow that intelligence is common to all but not wisdom.Wisdom
has that depth of joy and remorse which conditions all judgements in
human affairs and every single day that this cancer eats away at a rich
astronomical heritage and the Western society which once was fertile
ground for accepting the Copernican insight is now a barren and sterile
ground of novelty and pretension.

The Copernican insights towers above the theoretical assault on its
methods and principles , for even the nobleness of the antecedent
Ptolemaic ideas in using epicycles out of retrogrades is far superior
to tethering planetary motion to a 4 year and 1 day calendrical average
that marks Newtonian quasi-geocentrists and their cataloguing cronies.

You feel no remorse for what was destroyed to make way for a useless
ballistic agenda that never worked and apparently freed astronomer's
from the intuitive task of discerning true celestial motions and
structure from apparent observations.

Dr John Stockton wrote:

He is widely kill-ruled. and those who have set such a rule are
blissfully ignorant of the content of his posts ... until someone
responds to them.

Please do not again be that someone.
..
John

May one humbly suggest that you killfile me at your earliest
opportunity? You may rest assured that the contents of my own posts
have a vanishingly small chance of holding the least interest for you.
Moreover, nothing is ever likely to change in this regard.
So killfile and be damned! :-)

Yours sincerely
Chris.B

To Stockton

This is an open forum and your politics never extended to the
unmoderated newsgroups ,the only moderation necessary is not to read
the posts.As most are concerned with imaging and nothing else they can
be left to their own devices however in technical matters,people like
you just do not have that astronomical gift or the feel for the
material you are working with.

Even the most basic transfer of the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day
to the heliocentric adaption of axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour
withers under your brute cataloguing inheritance for in creating an
astronomical framework on a homogenised calendar/clock system you make
a mess of things.

The orbital orientation of Venus is extremely useful in determining why
the upcoming total length of a day for both hemispheres is
asymmeterical with the Jume 21st day,the asymmetry is incredibly
significant for determining seasonal averages based on the relationship
between independent axial and orbital motions.

I have never once faulted anyone with being unfamiliar with the
material as I know only too well that it is buried under 3 centuries
of misconduct that introduced an analemmatic fudge to make terrestial
longitude fit with a celestial sphere/calendar system.You are indeed
blissfully ignorant and would have others made so,the alternative is
that raw astronomical gift in working with motions and orientations
just like the early heliocentrists did.

The tyranny of ostracism only applies if a person submits to being a
beggar at the door of consensus,given that the Newtonian rendering for
heliocentricity through retrogrades is utterly silly and nothing like
the original Copernican reasoning,I enjoy the luxury of knowing the
difference.Turns out that what you think is astronomy is nothing more
than a bookeeping method based on the 4 year and 1 day calendar system.

Again,you just do not have the astronomical gift which cannot be rote
learned or can be bought (telescope) but everyone has the seeds of that
gift if they allow celestial phenomena to dictate avenues and insights.

Here is the correct explanation for retrogrades -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

Here is the corrupt Newtonian notion -

"For to the earth they appear sometimes direct, sometimes stationary,
nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen
direct.."

http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm

The person who intuitively knows what is correct and what is not is
half way to understanding and applying a more substantial astronomical
relevence to the orbital orientation of Venus and more importantly to
the Earth's changing orbital orientation.

I have to ask you this Chris.

This is an unmoderated forum where individuals are free to choose to
respond to or read any post.If some underlying consensus can designate
a so-called kill-rule which obviously is adhered to,I call that
intellectual slavery of the worse kind.

The Copernican insight of a faster Earth taking an inner orbital
circuit to the slower moving outer planets was waiting for a medium
like the internet to emerge.Using time lapse footage and easy
access,the Copernican insight really comes into its own using the
internet and no doubt the Keplerian and Roemerian insights become
easier to comprehend,likewise the corrupt Newtonian resolution for
retrogrades is fairly easy to see.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

The thing is so lively and so enjoyable using contemporary technology
that the intuitive side of astronomy or what Kepler called
'contemplative astronomy' should be part and parcel of
observations.Observations which lack the perception of scale and size
of our parent Sun and orbital geometry are amplified as mere
cataloguing alone dilutes the ability to appreciate the heliocentric
geometry.

If you were to show a teenager how retrogrades work using time lapse
footage or the traffic roundabout analogy writ large and then brought
them outside to show how the faster Earth has overtaken the orbit of
Mars making it appear to go backwards and within a few days will appear
to go forwards,they will have an astronomical education in how to
seperate the axial and orbital motion of the Earth from each other.

Why stick with a corrupt Newtonian resolution for retrogrades which is
useless but serves the diluted astronomical bookeeping methods of the
celestial sphere allied to the 4 year and 1 day calendrical average .

"For to the earth they[ planetary motions] appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.."

http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm

If you would not teach children that the Earth and life on it did not
evolve in seven days why would you teach the same children that you
are required to jump to the Sun to resolve retrogrades and infer
heliocentricity.Do not assume that the corrupt Newtonian view is any
less disruptive than creationist ideologies,unfortunately the Newtonian
view is now the view of the majority and the uninformed.

Kill-ruled,well that's a new one,what's next, an entlosung.