"The Effects of Nuclear Weapons"

I got a blast out of my copy.

On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

James Nicoll wrote:

Unless you have one like mine, which comes with the Nuclear
Effects circular slide rule in the back pocket.

...and I assume you immediately did what I did; crank it all the way to
the top (20 megatons, IIRC) and set the burst height at zero to see just
how big of a crater you could make. What was that again? Around 400 feet
deep?

....Which, depending on the location, would pretty much guarantee water
table contamination on a total, long-term basis.

OM

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OM wrote:

...Which, depending on the location, would pretty much guarantee water
table contamination on a total, long-term basis.


Not to mention a fair degree of fallout contamination from the earth in
the crater being blown into the atmosphere.

Pat

Not to mention a fair degree of fallout contamination from the earth in
the crater being blown into the atmosphere.

Pat

Sadly our practical knowledge base will likely improve when a terrorist
detonates a nuclear bomb in a big city
HAVE A GREAT DAY!

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:46:00 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

OM wrote:
...Which, depending on the location, would pretty much guarantee water
table contamination on a total, long-term basis.

Not to mention a fair degree of fallout contamination from the earth in
the crater being blown into the atmosphere.

....Think _The Pat_, Pitt. Er, I mean _The Pitt_, Pat :-) :-)

OM

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Peter Stickney wrote:

Naw - if it's really good, you toss a bit of grass/paper in the air
when you see the flash, measure its displacement when the shock hits
by eye, and do it in your head. While keeping ahead of the crowd, as
in "If you see me running, try to keep up."

(Worked for Ed Teller at Alamagordo. And not only was he faster than
the Data Reduction folks with all their slide rules & Analyzers, he
was more accurate, as well.)

I've read in several books that it was Fermi with the bits of paper. Of
course Teller probably stole the idea and claimed it as his own...

-Greg

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OM wrote:

...Which, depending on the location, would pretty much guarantee water
table contamination on a total, long-term basis.


Not to mention a fair degree of fallout contamination from the earth in
the crater being blown into the atmosphere.

Which is why I didn't find it surprising when the old Soviet targeting
strategies for their nuclear weapons got leaked right around the time of
the fall of the Soviet Union.

I lived for more than two decades in the Chicago metro area, and I
always figured that the Sovs would target the Spaghetti Bowl (the main
junction between the various superhighways leading into downtown) with
their missiles aimed at Chicago. But their real targeting, it turned
out, was about a half-mile east of the Lake Michigan shoreline. And at
about 50 to 100 feet altitude, at most. That would have served both to
blast over most of the largest buildings in downtown Chicago AND would
have created a wall of superheated (and radioactive) steam that would
have destroyed a vastly larger area than the bomb could have hoped to,
all by itself.

IIRC, the same theories were in place for missile targeting against NYC,
LA -- anywhere that had a close body of water.

Doug

Dr. Teller would not steal anything. If it were someone's else's idea he
would say so out front. You obviously know nothing about the mans character
and credibility.

"Greg Campbell" wrote in message
news:T_3vc.12682$lL1.4548@fed1read03...
Peter Stickney wrote:

Naw - if it's really good, you toss a bit of grass/paper in the air
when you see the flash, measure its displacement when the shock hits
by eye, and do it in your head. While keeping ahead of the crowd, as
in "If you see me running, try to keep up."

(Worked for Ed Teller at Alamagordo. And not only was he faster than
the Data Reduction folks with all their slide rules & Analyzers, he
was more accurate, as well.)

I've read in several books that it was Fermi with the bits of paper. Of
course Teller probably stole the idea and claimed it as his own...

-Greg

(Peter Stickney) wrote in message

Naw - if it's really good, you toss a bit of grass/paper in the air
when you see the flash, measure its displacement when the shock hits
by eye, and do it in your head. While keeping ahead of the crowd, as
in "If you see me running, try to keep up."

(Worked for Ed Teller at Alamagordo. And not only was he faster than
the Data Reduction folks with all their slide rules & Analyzers, he
was more accurate, as well.)

As others have said...it was Fermi, and problems like this became
known as Fermip problems. See, for example
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...rmi%20question

-stmx3

On 2 Jun 2004 06:31:21 -0700, (stmx3) wrote:

As others have said...it was Fermi, and problems like this became
known as Fermip problems.

....So, are these anything like a Bunyip problem?

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr