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Our Taboo/Nondisclosure Moon
"Brad Guth" wrote in message news:eaceb2ee84e4bbbfbf7983a2188d21ef.49644@mygate .mailgate.org... You'd think, but thus far the types of folks in ROM seem as though rather deathly afraid of their own shadow, especially those shadows of having depicted their brown noses continually sucked up to the infomercial buttology of whatever their status quo collective mindset has to say. - Brad Guth Oh - you mean they're set in their ways and not open to new ideas? Surely not - what odd fellows! |
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Our Taboo/Nondisclosure Moon
"Brad Guth" wrote lots o' crap in message news:631f0dd7a9ec92e258b44848cbd08807.49644@mygate .mailgate.org... So did Venus kick your butt? |
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"TeaTime" wrote in message
Oh - you mean they're set in their ways and not open to new ideas? Surely not - what odd fellows! Looking at the sorts of past ROM topics, and of the pathetic if any constructive replies is proof enough that I'm right. If there's supposedly actual expertise within ROM, as such it's in stealth mode. These ROM folks are not only set in their ways, but having been rather nicely mindset as to only reinforcing upon whatever least rocks thy mainstream status quo boat (aka Old Testament good ship LOLLIPOP). I have a perfectly good though somewhat testy list of ROM worthy topics, whereas none of which are being attended to or otherwise shared because of all the lose cannons and/or boat rocking nature they each represent. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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'foolsrushin.' wrote: Brad, just get your ass over to rec.org,mensa, and shout about it, and I promise I'll dig in a bit, thereafter. --' foolsrushin.' Brad Guth wrote: Most folks are still not being allowed to appreciate our moon's L1. Of course, most Americans are still pretty much dumbfounded and/or having been snookered about a great many such important things in this infomercial skewed life as we've been allowed to know of. Perhaps those more intelligent members in support of the China National Space Administration/CNSA are as such less snookered than we're giving them credit for. Basically, the average free-gravity-zone of this moon L1 is supposedly r33.5~r34 away from the moon and otherwise merely r51 from Earth (unfortunately there's still no hard-scientific and thus independently replicated proof of such actually being the case of those specific numbers), that's worthy of obtaining micro if not nano and even pico gravity, although nearly any +/- adjustment in the net gravity can be accommodated and rather efficiently interactively sustained. Within this interactive moon L1 pocket (+/- wherever it has to be) there should be as little as 1% the atoms/cm3 and of the required velocity is roughly 9 fold less than LEO (those factors alone represent a rather huge reduction in orbital friction, and thereby greatly minimizing station-keeping energy demands). There's also no pesky gauntlet of Van Allen belt radiation or SAA like nasty pocket of magnetosphere stored radiation. It's also nearly always sunny as well as having either earthshine and/or moonshine at your disposal, and of that moonshine so happens to include a great deal of useful secondary/recoil photons in the IR/FIR spectrum, plus offering loads of gamma and hard-X-rays because there's so little mass between L1 and the highly reactive naked surface of the physically dark and cosmic morgue that's represented by our moon. The moon's L1 is not technically a problem for most robotics, however our frail DNA will demand a great amount of shielding that's similar to 8 meters of water, and for any long term (multi year) human involvement demanding 16 meters of water unless an artificial magnetosphere can be sustained. There's also the pesky matter of having to survive various meteors of potentially lethal flak that isn't the least bit moderated in velocity nor being gravity diverted. This fancy enough "Clarke Station" document that's nicely revised and certainly rather interesting but otherwise seriously outdated, http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications...aryland01b.pdf not to mention way under-shielded unless incorporating 8+ meters of water plus having somehow established an artificial magnetosphere, or perhaps incorporating 16+ meters of h2o if w/o magnetosphere (shielding that's necessary because it's parked within 60,000 km from our physically dark and otherwise highly reactive moon that's continually providing such a not so DNA friendly TBI worth of gamma and hard-X-rays), is simply a downright deficient document about sharing the positive science and constructive habitat/depot considerations for utilizing the moon's L1. In fact, there's hardly any mention of the tremendous L1 benefits to humanity, much less as to space exploration or the daunting task of salvaging our mascon warmed environment, and it's still not having squat to do with any primary task of actually developing, exploiting or otherwise terraforming the moon itself. On the other hand, whereas the CM/ISS portion of the LSE which I've proposed offers 50t/m2 of outter shell or hull shielding for accommodating the 1e9 m3 interior, thereby multiple decades if not an entire lifetime can be afforded, as to safely accommodating our frail DNA. That may seem like a rather great amount of tonnage deployment, though eventually 99.9% is derived from the moon itself. Of course, don't mind anything that I have to suggest, whereas you can keep thinking as small and/or as insignificant as you'd like. However, our having remained as LEO/terrestrial sequestered isn't going to help us explore, pillage and rape the other planets and of their moons, not to mention the mining and/or possible terraforming potential of digging into our very own global warming moon that's chuck full of nifty and rare elements. I guess what's needed is an open mindset that isn't afraid of it's own shadow, that isn't afraid of making a few honest mistakes nor demonstrating that perhaps we're not exactly the smartest nor the most entitled species of DNA in this universe. (sorry about that) - Brad Guth A subject worthy of discussion. Has Arthur C expressed an opinion about it? Paul Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Cindy Anna Jones" wrote in message
"Brad Guth" wrote lots o' crap in message news:631f0dd7a9ec92e258b44848cbd08807.49644@mygate .mailgate.org... So did Venus kick your butt? Silly (literally) that you should ask, as I simply and quite honestly had long time ago interpreted a few good SAR obtained images of Venus, as having clearly depicted that something highly intelligent had existed/coexisted on Venus. I bet that statement alone is simply too complicated for your mindset. What sorts of other than Earth's terrestrial form of intelligent life might have been involved, as with their having survived upon Venus? BTW; Why are you avoiding the primary topic that's pertaining to our moon, that's in charge of global warming us to death as of the last ice age? If nothing else, just tell us whatever it is that you do or don't believe in. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Paul Mc" wrote in message
ups.com A subject worthy of discussion. Has Arthur C expressed an opinion about it? I obviously agree, but what's your honest give or take? BTW; who is this "Arthur C"? (other than the 90 year old fart of Arthur C. Clarke himself) - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth wrote: "Paul Mc" wrote in message ups.com A subject worthy of discussion. Has Arthur C expressed an opinion about it? I obviously agree, but what's your honest give or take? BTW; who is this "Arthur C"? (other than the 90 year old fart of Arthur C. Clarke himself) - Brad Guth Yes I meant him (shortened becuase he was referenced in your university document) and he's given good service to the space business over the last sixty years and generally has a trenchant view of such matters. I'm no expert on gravitational or radiological issues but have considerable experience in marketing commercial satellites and so was wondering what comunications possibilities this idea might afford. As I non-expert I have difficulty envisaging its 'orbit' when viewed from the Earth or the Moon (being used to simple concepts like geo-stationary or LEO. I also thought it a worthy subject for discussion within cam.misc, but it seems to have been diappeared from there already. Paul |
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"Paul Mc" wrote in message ups.com... I'm no expert on gravitational or radiological issues but have considerable experience in marketing commercial satellites and so was wondering what comunications possibilities this idea might afford. As I non-expert I have difficulty envisaging its 'orbit' when viewed from the Earth or the Moon (being used to simple concepts like geo-stationary or LEO. I also thought it a worthy subject for discussion within cam.misc, but it seems to have been diappeared from there already. The Lagrange points are positions where the gravitational fields of two bodies effectively cancel. For the moon, there are five such points, named L1 to L5. The moon's Lagrange point L1 is about 36,000 miles from the moon (or about 203,000 miles from earth) on a straight line connecting earth and moon. A satellite positioned at moon L1 would therefore orbit the earth along with the moon every 27.322 days (orbit tilted about 28.7 degress to the equator this year). Radio signals would take about 1.3 seconds to cover the distance, one way. The other Lagrange points are L2 (on the same line but about 36,000 miles behind the moon), L3 (on the same line but about 239,000 miles behind the earth) and L4/L5 (on lines 60 degrees ahead/behind the first line and both about 239,000 miles away). |
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"Paul Mc" wrote in message
ups.com I'm no expert on gravitational or radiological issues but have considerable experience in marketing commercial satellites and so was wondering what comunications possibilities this idea might afford. As I non-expert I have difficulty envisaging its 'orbit' when viewed from the Earth or the Moon (being used to simple concepts like geo-stationary or LEO. Our moon and of it's L1 zone or gravity-well pocket is somewhat the one and only ideal GSO to the moon itself, and otherwise this L1 is rather ideal for accommodating laser cannon packets of FM/quantum binary data that's going between planets or even to/from a few of the nearby star systems, or for that matter of to/from any number of terrestrial or satellite nodes that are near or far. There's aso extremely good VLA/SAR imaging and subsequent NEO tracking capability of whatever's out there, that's more than worthy of accomplishing. Since there's likely less than 5e3 atoms/cm3 within this L1 to deal with, as such the originating laser cannon beam is going to be least distorted or otherwise attinuated, yet operations of such will always remain in full view of Earth. Fully remote pilotted station-keeping duties and whatever scientific operations can also transpire effectively from your home office or portable laptop that's wherever as long as you're into the encrypted network. With hardly any signal delay to speak of, with a global configuration of as few as three or four relatively simple and affordable ground to this moon L1 tracking stations, and/or via a couple of terrestrial satellites as transponders would obviously insure 100% coverage. I also thought it a worthy subject for discussion within cam.misc, but it seems to have been diappeared from there already. Sadly, much of whatever's moon L1 related (including Clarke Station) remains as either taboo/nondisclosure, as in topic/author X-rated, or simply having been entirely banished because the actual and very real laws of physics must apply. On behalf of utilizing our moon's L1, I don't see any insurmountable problems with either the interactive station-keeping demands of a floating space station/depot as proposed by Sir Arthur Clarke, or that of being a fully tethered part of the LSE configuration, other than beefing up the shielding considerations so that staying onboard for months on end if not years at a time is manageable without folks having to rely upon banked bone marrow as their plan-B should things get a touch TBI lethal. If my Mailgate/Usenet allows it, I'll certainly try to place a viable L1 topic into "cam.misc", though I'm not expecting to see much results, especially since I have such a short fuse on my battery of lose cannons, as necessary for the task of returning the usual topic/author bashing favor. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message news:1750ae77a57e6221505dcb964c7522d8.49644@mygate .mailgate.org... usual total disregard for other poster's comment and question snipped .... and that's why I stepped in and answered Paul's question, in plain English, with not a trace of taboo, non-disclosure, X-rating, banishment, or any other of your stupid paranpid bull****. See how simple it is, really? |
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