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  #181  
Old June 20th 13, 08:49 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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plus the apollo era engineers today are all very old or dead. theres a
experince gap, espically mportant with a multi year mission with no
chance of resupply


So what has NASA been doing since Apollo, nothing? *Don't you think that
shuttle, Mir, and ISS experience counts for something?

Jeff


the shuttle was designed back in 1970. so those engineers are probably
all retired.

Mir too was designed in russia a long time ago... engineers aged and
retired

while ISS was designed not that long ago its not a exploration
vehicle, its about orbital long term operations

  #182  
Old June 20th 13, 09:08 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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In article f9386a67-11f9-452f-8ff7-504099085242
@x20g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, says...
plus the apollo era engineers today are all very old or dead.

theres a
experince gap, espically mportant with a multi year mission with no
chance of resupply


So what has NASA been doing since Apollo, nothing? *Don't you think that
shuttle, Mir, and ISS experience counts for something?


the shuttle was designed back in 1970. so those engineers are probably
all retired.

Mir too was designed in russia a long time ago... engineers aged and
retired


Both of these programs were absolutely *more recent* than Apollo, so
back-pedaling noted. Furthermore, lessons learned from them were put to
good use when designing hardware for the ISS program.

while ISS was designed not that long ago its not a exploration
vehicle, its about orbital long term operations


Again, lessons learned from ISS will be put to good use when designing
hardware in the future.

Jeff
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  #183  
Old June 20th 13, 11:12 PM posted to sci.space.history
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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"bob haller" wrote in message
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plus the apollo era engineers today are all very old or dead. theres a
experince gap, espically mportant with a multi year mission with no
chance of resupply


So what has NASA been doing since Apollo, nothing? Don't you think that
shuttle, Mir, and ISS experience counts for something?

Jeff


the shuttle was designed back in 1970. so those engineers are probably
all retired.


And unfortunately NO engineer worked on it since then and NONE of these
engineers passed on their skills to a new generation.

Seriously Bob, this is the best you can do?


Mir too was designed in russia a long time ago... engineers aged and
retired

while ISS was designed not that long ago its not a exploration
vehicle, its about orbital long term operations



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  #184  
Old June 22nd 13, 04:37 AM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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designing and building all new systems for deep space long term operations for years is different than keeping old systems operating.......

because so little new systems have been needed for so long theres a big lack of experience in this area
  #185  
Old June 22nd 13, 01:50 PM posted to sci.space.history
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well during the wind down of the shuttle program nasa did say they were concerned about a brain drain loss of so many engineers......

only time will tell.......
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Old June 23rd 13, 01:13 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 10:27:44 PM UTC-4, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/17/43...rive-off-earth



35.76km. Second only to Lunokhod 2 (37km).



Note that taken about 9 years to do what the Apollo astronauts did in a few

days.



I'll take the Mark I eyeball on site when I can.


they cant hire engineers who are already experiences in a pretty specialized area...

theres likely not a more specialized area than space vehicles espically manned space
  #187  
Old June 23rd 13, 02:13 PM posted to sci.space.history
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 10:27:44 PM UTC-4, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/17/43...rive-off-earth



35.76km. Second only to Lunokhod 2 (37km).



Note that taken about 9 years to do what the Apollo astronauts did in a
few

days.



I'll take the Mark I eyeball on site when I can.


they cant hire engineers who are already experiences in a pretty
specialized area...


Right, and since we had never built something like Apollo, it's impossible
to go to the Moon. Yet we did.

theres likely not a more specialized area than space vehicles espically
manned space



Oh, I can think of several.




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  #188  
Old June 24th 13, 08:02 PM posted to sci.space.history
Dean
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On Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:02:04 AM UTC-4, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:



On Friday, May 17, 2013 10:27:44 PM UTC-4, Greg (Strider) Moore wrote:


http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/17/43...rive-off-earth




35.76km. Second only to Lunokhod 2 (37km).




Note that taken about 9 years to do what the Apollo astronauts did in a few


days.




I'll take the Mark I eyeball on site when I can.




they cant hire engineers who are already experiences in a pretty specialized area...




theres likely not a more specialized area than space vehicles espically manned space






Oh, don't be an idiot, Bobbert. Just where do you think the original

crop of engineers came from; sprang full grown from Zeus's forehead or

something?



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Bob pretty much lost all credibility when he claimed the Saturn 1B was a military booster in the other thread.
  #189  
Old June 24th 13, 09:17 PM posted to sci.space.history
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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"Dean" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:02:04 AM UTC-4, Fred J. McCall wrote:

Oh, don't be an idiot, Bobbert. Just where do you think the original

crop of engineers came from; sprang full grown from Zeus's forehead or

something?



Bob pretty much lost all credibility when he claimed the Saturn 1B was a
military booster in the other thread.


True, but there is some sort of joke/comment to be made about the builders
of Saturn sprouting from Jupiter (the booster) and all.

But it's not really accurate and would go over Bob's head.



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