CFI: Canonical List of Sci-Fi "Real" Astronauts

Darren J Longhorn wrote:

I like that idea, but Footfall features a fictional spacecraft with
strap-on non-fictional spacecraft.
http://www.up-ship.com/apr/michael.htm

It would help if he read the book. The rifles from the BB's were used
as recoilless rifles that formed the propulsion/weapons systems for
auxiliary craft, not as turrets.

D.
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-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

fictional persons
flying existing historical craft or offshoots reasonably possible
under various alternative histories. BRBR


Hmm.... that would include the astronauts (I forget the names) in the truly
awful novel Red Sky, which took a good premise (a Soviet space control system
shooting downward from GEO at reconsats) and made it worse than Hickam's novel.

Matt Bille
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OPINIONS IN ALL POSTS ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE AUTHOR

"Space Cowboys" (2000)

Dr. Frank Corvin (Clint Eastwood)
Col. William (Hawk) Hawkins (Tommy Lee Jones)
Jerry O'Neil (Donald Sutherland)
Tank Sullivan (James Garner)

On 22 Nov 2004 02:55:12 GMT, (Andre Lieven)
wrote:


OM (om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org) writes:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:55:28 -0500, Kelly McDonald
wrote:

Tranquility Alternative

...Is this a book title?

An SF novel Allen Steele, an alternate history, where a military
base is built on the Moon, then, when the Cold War ends, is
abandoned. Then, a private firm buys it, and an expedition goes
out to disarm the missiles emplaced there. Published in 1996.

The historical divergence point in the book, is a prologue,
where a Nazi space plane, in 1944, is intercepted by a US
one man ship, both in space. Things then go on, from there,
which sets up manned space flight earlier than what we got.
Based on the Von Braun-Colliers model.


Kind of a combination of the Von Braun-Colliers model and Project
Horizon.

It's an okay read, better than 1945 by Newt Gingrich, worse than
Voyager. Which reminds me, I'll have to dig it up since there are a
few fictional astros in there as well

Kelly McDonald


Anyone care to give the quick synop on this one?

There you go... :-)

...On a side note, why hasn't David Sander jumped in and added his
obvious contribution?

Vegimite overdose ? g

Andre

OM wrote:

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:21:15 GMT, Robert Casey
wrote:


Anyone mention the astronauts and cosmonauts in
the movie "Marooned"?


...Did you bother to read that initial list I posted in the start of
this thread?

Must have missed it, my bad....

In message ,
Herb Schaltegger writes
In article ,
"Jim Oberg" wrote:

Heinlein, 'Man Who Sold The Moon"?

a bunch of Outer Limits and original Twilight Zone episodes?

Well, I considered adding D.D. Harriman myself sometime Saturday
morning then decided it wouldn't count, especially in light of Derek's
restatement of the principal thesis earlier today: fictional persons
flying existing historical craft or offshoots reasonably possible
under various alternative histories.

I don't like this limitation, but it definitely includes the crew of
Soyuz 47

Flight Commander Valentin Karpov, age 38, from Leningrad, Hero of the
Soviet Union
Flight Engineer Boris Tsiolkovsky, age 40, from Kiev, holder of the
Order of Lenin
Soyuz Pilot Shabir al Timimi, age 33, from Jerusalem.

And OV102

Colonel Michael Allon, USAF, Commander
Colonel Peter Peabody, USAF
Colonel David Brown, Mission Specialist

in Guy Alimo's "The Hunting of Salyut 7"

Kelly McDonald sympatico.ca (nospam) writes:
On 22 Nov 2004 02:55:12 GMT, (Andre Lieven)
wrote:

OM (om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org) writes:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:55:28 -0500, Kelly McDonald
wrote:

Tranquility Alternative

...Is this a book title?

An SF novel Allen Steele, an alternate history, where a military
base is built on the Moon, then, when the Cold War ends, is
abandoned. Then, a private firm buys it, and an expedition goes
out to disarm the missiles emplaced there. Published in 1996.

The historical divergence point in the book, is a prologue,
where a Nazi space plane, in 1944, is intercepted by a US
one man ship, both in space. Things then go on, from there,
which sets up manned space flight earlier than what we got.
Based on the Von Braun-Colliers model.

Kind of a combination of the Von Braun-Colliers model and Project
Horizon.

Pretty much.

It's an okay read, better than 1945 by Newt Gingrich, worse than
Voyager. Which reminds me, I'll have to dig it up since there are a
few fictional astros in there as well

After I dug out my copy, to make the reply, I re-read it, and I'd
say, not bad at all. Rather fun, in considering how the Colliers
tech worked, and the effect of it being the first and last US
heavy lifting gear.

The story, as a whole, is more along the lines of Voyage, than
1945, as its focused on the actual tale, and leaves the historical
bits to fictional excerpts from testimonies in front of Congress,
and news pieces.

Kelly McDonald

Anyone care to give the quick synop on this one?

There you go... :-)

...On a side note, why hasn't David Sander jumped in and added his
obvious contribution?

Vegimite overdose ? g

Andre



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" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

I'm confining my contribution to half-remembered books set in the 20th
century.

Autopsy for a Cosmonaut by Jacob Hay -- extra Gemini mission with a forensic
pathologist aboard to determine cause of death in an Almaz-like Soviet space
station.

Chain of Chance by Stanislaw Lem -- former Astronaut turned Private
Investigator solves mysterious "crime" in Naples.

if it hasn't been mentioned before, the TV Show "Northern Exposure" had a
former Mercury Astronaut as a character.

Throne of Saturn, by Alan Drury -- appears to be based on Apollo technology
for a Mars mission. His worst book by far.

Has anyone mentioned "Apollo at Go" by Jeff Sutton?

Four Came Back -- by Martin Caidin (again, not his best book, about
mysterious deaths onboard a space station. Apparently if you are away from
earth for more than a couple of months you die.)

Colin Wilson -- Space Vampires -- (also made into the movie "Lifeforce" in
which a number of British SF and fantasy authors and their families seem to
have been extras) -- space shuttle mission brings back a space vampire. I
thought the book was terrible, but reread it and realized that it was
actually funny.

Major Tom -- from David Bowie's "Space Oddity", "Ashes to Ashes", and Peter
Schilling's "Major Tom". Appears to have flown a MA-10b type mission with a
solo space walk.

Tsimion Vladovka (and others) from Stuart Kaminsky's "Fall of a Cosmonaut"
involving a Mir cosmonaut who disapears after an emergency landing. Kaminsky
is apparently a fairly popular mystery writer, and this is the 13th or so
book in a series about a Moscow detective.

"Peter Nevsky and the True Story of the Russian Moon Landing" by John Calvin
Batchelor features a Soviet attempt at a lunar landing.

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...
...After exchanging a couple of e-mails with Mark Wade over an
addition I think needs to be made to the "Phantom Astronauts" page on
EA, I've suddenly come up with an idea for a "Canonical List" of said
Phantoms. However, since most of my time these days is spent at my
60+hour/week job, I've decided to put out a Call For Input here on the
group to see what can be dredged up.

4) The time frame we're looking at is from 1957 up through whatever
years "The Cape" would have covered (*). Again, as close to OTL as
possible.

(*) Hmm. Must remember to put a request for a posting of that series
up on one of the binary groups :-P


Sounds like a good starting list for web page building.

.... "put the petal to the metal ..."

gb