The Song of Life.....

wrote:

jonathan who discovered life on Mars (the chocolate bar) wrote:

.......is music we should all recognize
with the first few notes. It goes like this

Which-is-which?

Is it a dune or a ripple?
Is it dust or soil?
Is it a rock or a mineral?
Is it an ocean or a spring?

Which is it?

Self organization and evolution exists when the
static and chaotic forms have been driven
towards each other. Until they are critically
interacting, chaotically jumping between each
other. Until one can't tell which-is-which.

When the mysteries are in harmony.

That is where evolution and creation lies.
That is where the entire universe lies
when given a chance. It's where we
all thrive and want to be.

Life begins where definitions fail.

It's the uncertainty principle operating
at human scales. It's another name for
love.

Your poetry sounds suspiciously like the intro to a high school biology textbook.

I've seen better poultry in the intro to a high-school biology
textbook.
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"jonathan" wrote in message
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"Jo Schaper" wrote in message
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jonathan wrote:

.......is music we should all recognize
with the first few notes. It goes like this

Which-is-which?

Is it a dune or a ripple?
Is it dust or soil?
Is it a rock or a mineral?
Is it an ocean or a spring?

Which is it?

Self organization and evolution exists when the
static and chaotic forms have been driven
towards each other. Until they are critically
interacting, chaotically jumping between each
other. Until one can't tell which-is-which.

When the mysteries are in harmony.

That is where evolution and creation lies.
That is where the entire universe lies
when given a chance. It's where we
all thrive and want to be.

Life begins where definitions fail.

It's the uncertainty principle operating
at human scales. It's another name for
love.


No. It is another name for chopped prose. Chopped liver is more
appealing, and I don't like liver.

Except for the bizarre x-post of rec.arts.poems (?) the rest of your
audience are scientists, science fans, or science wannabees.


I can defend every line. Pick one you feel is ...untrue.


To start with, I would pick the line:

"Is it a rock or a mineral?"

But of course you won't, after all then you'd have to
do more than utter childish nonsense. You'd have
to think.

Well, someone's got to here.

It's all science, every bit. If you can't think in the
abstract that is your fault, not mine.

Guess again.

Care to take me on,

Done.

or are you afraid of embarrassing
yourself. I like debates, do you know what that
word means?

Yes. It means you like to argue for the sake of
argument. You have no real commitment to the
outcome.

We'll see which is a wannabe.

Done.


PS. Sorry to intrude on your post, Jo.
I'm really not intending to get in your way.
It is as if his statements screamed out for
those responses. I almost couldn't help
myself.
But, by all means, please feel free to have
at him on your own terms.

"jonathan" wrote in message
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For Chrissakes
I equated the uncertainty principle and love, and that
didn't beg a question???

Your question begging is becoming legendary.

However, you are now obviously just trolling for
a fight. You have dropped all pretense of
rationality. You are microns away from the killfile.
Too bad, too. You are not particularly stupid -
but your behavior is unquestionalbly becoming
significantly more erratic. A pity, that.

In article ,
jonathan wrote:

"Chosp" wrote in message news:HSy3c.30776$h23.305@fed1read06...

"jonathan" wrote in message
...

"Jo Schaper" wrote in message
...
jonathan wrote:

.......is music we should all recognize
with the first few notes. It goes like this

Which-is-which?

Is it a dune or a ripple?
Is it dust or soil?
Is it a rock or a mineral?
Is it an ocean or a spring?

Which is it?

Self organization and evolution exists when the
static and chaotic forms have been driven
towards each other. Until they are critically
interacting, chaotically jumping between each
other. Until one can't tell which-is-which.

When the mysteries are in harmony.

That is where evolution and creation lies.
That is where the entire universe lies
when given a chance. It's where we
all thrive and want to be.

Life begins where definitions fail.

It's the uncertainty principle operating
at human scales. It's another name for
love.


No. It is another name for chopped prose. Chopped liver is more
appealing, and I don't like liver.

Except for the bizarre x-post of rec.arts.poems (?) the rest of your
audience are scientists, science fans, or science wannabees.


I can defend every line. Pick one you feel is ...untrue.




To start with, I would pick the line:

"Is it a rock or a mineral?"



The spheres? What are they, a mineral concretion
or what? Tell me what they are, that is the meaning
of that line.

Reading/thinking/writing is a lost art isn't it?
Certainly is in this ng.

Can't you do any better than that? For Chrissakes
I equated the uncertainty principle and love, and that
didn't beg a question???

While we're speaking of writing, note that "begging the
question" has another, more proper meaning, especially when
used dialectically:

http://www.swif.uniba.it/lei/foldop/...g+the+question

Yeah, I know I'm being pedantic.

"jonathan" wrote in message
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It's not circular reasoning when certain mathematical principles
are stated and then their meaning is explained. There needs to
be some logical flaw. This form of mathematics is better explained
through prose or poetry than equations. Why use symbols to
represent ideas, what's wrong with using words?

Why use symbols to represent ideas?
First of all, words themselves are symbols used to represent
ideas. All ideas can ONLY be represented by using symbols of
one form or another. Mathematics, as you should well know,
uses several sets of comparitively more precisely defined
symbols. And mathematics, it turns out, is actually best
defined, described, and explained by the use of equations.
Applying mathematics to real world situations, it turns out,
also requires the use of equations. Complexity science does,
in fact, use mathematical equations and because of this - so
should you. You pretended you understood them. You implied
you had used them. We simply no longer believe you.
You have been asked REPEATEDLY to provide the math
you actually used. Repeatedly. You simply cut and
paste definitions and quotes. Repeatedly. It is no longer
credible for you to say that you have used the mathematics
of complexity science in any study of the real world.
The end of the line is that you said you knew
what you knew with "mathematical certainty".
It can now be said that, with real mathematical
certainty, that you don't.


Emily may be many things but not even she
is mathematically certain.
But, hopefully, she can still bring you comfort in
your lonely quest to bring salvation to the world.

"Chosp" wrote in message news:HSy3c.30776$h23.305@fed1read06...

"jonathan" wrote in message
...

"Jo Schaper" wrote in message
...
jonathan wrote:

.......is music we should all recognize
with the first few notes. It goes like this

Which-is-which?

Is it a dune or a ripple?
Is it dust or soil?
Is it a rock or a mineral?
Is it an ocean or a spring?

Which is it?

Self organization and evolution exists when the
static and chaotic forms have been driven
towards each other. Until they are critically
interacting, chaotically jumping between each
other. Until one can't tell which-is-which.

When the mysteries are in harmony.

That is where evolution and creation lies.
That is where the entire universe lies
when given a chance. It's where we
all thrive and want to be.

Life begins where definitions fail.

It's the uncertainty principle operating
at human scales. It's another name for
love.


No. It is another name for chopped prose. Chopped liver is more
appealing, and I don't like liver.

Except for the bizarre x-post of rec.arts.poems (?) the rest of your
audience are scientists, science fans, or science wannabees.


I can defend every line. Pick one you feel is ...untrue.




To start with, I would pick the line:

"Is it a rock or a mineral?"



The spheres? What are they, a mineral concretion
or what? Tell me what they are, that is the meaning
of that line.

Reading/thinking/writing is a lost art isn't it?
Certainly is in this ng.

Can't you do any better than that? For Chrissakes
I equated the uncertainty principle and love, and that
didn't beg a question???

Sheez


Jonathan

s




But of course you won't, after all then you'd have to
do more than utter childish nonsense. You'd have
to think.

Well, someone's got to here.

It's all science, every bit. If you can't think in the
abstract that is your fault, not mine.

Guess again.

Care to take me on,

Done.

or are you afraid of embarrassing
yourself. I like debates, do you know what that
word means?

Yes. It means you like to argue for the sake of
argument. You have no real commitment to the
outcome.

We'll see which is a wannabe.

Done.


PS. Sorry to intrude on your post, Jo.
I'm really not intending to get in your way.
It is as if his statements screamed out for
those responses. I almost couldn't help
myself.
But, by all means, please feel free to have
at him on your own terms.

"Dan" wrote in message news:xhU3c.2888$ft4.38421@attbi_s54...
In article ,
jonathan wrote:

"Chosp" wrote in message news:HSy3c.30776$h23.305@fed1read06...

"jonathan" wrote in message
...

"Jo Schaper" wrote in message
...
jonathan wrote:

.......is music we should all recognize
with the first few notes. It goes like this

Which-is-which?

Is it a dune or a ripple?
Is it dust or soil?
Is it a rock or a mineral?
Is it an ocean or a spring?

Which is it?

Self organization and evolution exists when the
static and chaotic forms have been driven
towards each other. Until they are critically
interacting, chaotically jumping between each
other. Until one can't tell which-is-which.

When the mysteries are in harmony.

That is where evolution and creation lies.
That is where the entire universe lies
when given a chance. It's where we
all thrive and want to be.

Life begins where definitions fail.

It's the uncertainty principle operating
at human scales. It's another name for
love.


No. It is another name for chopped prose. Chopped liver is more
appealing, and I don't like liver.

Except for the bizarre x-post of rec.arts.poems (?) the rest of your
audience are scientists, science fans, or science wannabees.


I can defend every line. Pick one you feel is ...untrue.




To start with, I would pick the line:

"Is it a rock or a mineral?"



The spheres? What are they, a mineral concretion
or what? Tell me what they are, that is the meaning
of that line.

Reading/thinking/writing is a lost art isn't it?
Certainly is in this ng.

Can't you do any better than that? For Chrissakes
I equated the uncertainty principle and love, and that
didn't beg a question???

While we're speaking of writing, note that "begging the
question" has another, more proper meaning, especially when
used dialectically:

http://www.swif.uniba.it/lei/foldop/...g+the+question

Yeah, I know I'm being pedantic.





It's not circular reasoning when certain mathematical principles
are stated and then their meaning is explained. There needs to
be some logical flaw. This form of mathematics is better explained
through prose or poetry than equations. Why use symbols to
represent ideas, what's wrong with using words?



Jonathan

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