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Old February 17th 08, 06:21 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle
johno
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With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick -

Would the shuttle be able to make it back to earth
if either the CDR or Pilot being incapacitated ?
Of course it would be able to if nothing untoward would happned
but what if some event happen that required human input?
Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the
two front seats ?



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Old February 17th 08, 11:34 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Brian Gaff
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Someone asked this I heard it recently, and I think the answer was yes, some
other people have landed a Shuttle. No expansion on this was given, however,
I expect someone on hear knows the details for this crew though.
I mean, one could ask the same question about every aircraft you fly on!

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"johno" wrote in message
...
With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick -

Would the shuttle be able to make it back to earth
if either the CDR or Pilot being incapacitated ?
Of course it would be able to if nothing untoward would happned
but what if some event happen that required human input?
Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the
two front seats ?





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Old February 17th 08, 02:02 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Todd H.
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"Brian Gaff" writes:
Someone asked this I heard it recently, and I think the answer was yes, some
other people have landed a Shuttle. No expansion on this was given, however,
I expect someone on hear knows the details for this crew though.
I mean, one could ask the same question about every aircraft you fly
on!


Ted Striker!

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Old February 17th 08, 04:09 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)
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"johno" wrote in message
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With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick -

Would the shuttle be able to make it back to earth
if either the CDR or Pilot being incapacitated ?
Of course it would be able to if nothing untoward would happned
but what if some event happen that required human input?
Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the
two front seats ?


Worst case scenario, there's only a couple of items that positively have to
be done by people (deploying landing gear and pitot tubes).

Those could be coached from the ground.







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Old February 17th 08, 04:45 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Brian Thorn[_2_]
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:34:38 GMT, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Someone asked this I heard it recently, and I think the answer was yes, some
other people have landed a Shuttle.


Probably in the simulators. Absolutely not in the real world.

Brian
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Old February 17th 08, 06:56 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:

Worst case scenario, there's only a couple of items that
positively have to be done by people (deploying landing
gear and pitot tubes).


The problem with this WCS however, is that if both
flight crew are incapacitated late in the mission,
odds are probably higher that everyone is,
and not just those specific two.

Those [pax] could be coached from the ground.


Take air data.

If they don't lose comms because they don't know how
to operate the radios and antennae.

Recent discussions here suggested that there now
exist workarounds for full auto-land (most likely of an
unoccupied orbiter unsafe to re-enter with crew).
If so, the pax would be instructed to engage that gear,
sit back and enjoy the ride (or remain on station).

The basenote question, however, remains.
Is any sort of contingency training done on this?

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Old February 17th 08, 07:16 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Jorge R. Frank
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rjn wrote:
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:

Worst case scenario, there's only a couple of items that
positively have to be done by people (deploying landing
gear and pitot tubes).


The problem with this WCS however, is that if both
flight crew are incapacitated late in the mission,
odds are probably higher that everyone is,
and not just those specific two.


Right. This is a really low probability hypothetical here.

Those [pax] could be coached from the ground.


Take air data.

If they don't lose comms because they don't know how
to operate the radios and antennae.


The MSes (specifically MS2) are trained to do that. On a nominal flight
they don't need to anyway; the computers select the antennas automatically.

Recent discussions here suggested that there now
exist workarounds for full auto-land (most likely of an
unoccupied orbiter unsafe to re-enter with crew).
If so, the pax would be instructed to engage that gear,
sit back and enjoy the ride (or remain on station).


There is no workaround required for the actual flying of autoland, just
leave the DAP in AUTO and the vehicle will fly itself. The crew still
needs to perform some switch throws and button presses to deploy the air
data probes, lower the gear, etc. The "workaround" you've heard about
would hotwire those switches and buttons to allow them to be thrown
remotely. You would *not* do that if there were a crew onboard. Just
have them throw the switches at the right times. MS2 would know which
switches since that MS is the ascent/entry flight engineer anyway.

Having the MSes remain on station exposes them to a lot more risk and
means throwing away a perfectly good orbiter.

The basenote question, however, remains.
Is any sort of contingency training done on this?


No.
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Old February 17th 08, 10:20 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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What about incapacitation just before a launch? And not just the CMDR or
Pilot. Is there still in place the old backup crew system a la Apollo 13?



"johno" wrote in message
...
With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick -

Would the shuttle be able to make it back to earth
if either the CDR or Pilot being incapacitated ?
Of course it would be able to if nothing untoward would happned
but what if some event happen that required human input?
Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the
two front seats ?





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Old February 17th 08, 11:21 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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On Feb 17, 4:20 pm, "rEvolution" wrote:
What about incapacitation just before a launch? And not just the CMDR or
Pilot. Is there still in place the old backup crew system a la Apollo 13?

That practice ended decades ago
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Old February 18th 08, 05:42 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
John[_3_]
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On Feb 17, 4:20*pm, "rEvolution" wrote:
What about incapacitation just before a launch? And not just the CMDR or
Pilot. Is there still in place the old backup crew system a la Apollo 13?

"johno" wrote in message

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With all the talk about the Misson Specialist being sick -


Would the shuttle be able to make it back to earth
if either the CDR or Pilot being incapacitated ?
Of course it would be able to if *nothing untoward would happned
but what if some event *happen that required human input?
Are any of the other astronaunts on board trained (somewhat) to sit in the
two front seats ?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


No. Back up crews, in that sense, are not trained anymore. You would
wait for the crew member to recover and wait for the next launch
window that met all of your requirements.

Take care . . .

John
 




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