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"Allen Thomson" wrote in news:1128042965.949192.94610
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: (*) Sic. There really are ships that can pick up things like SBX and carry them on deck. My brain is still trying to cope with the concept. Here's a picture to help your brain (shows the U.S.S. Cole being brought back from Yemen). http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...ke/burke2.html -- I was punching a text message into my | Reed Snellenberger phone yesterday and thought, "they need | GPG KeyID: 5A978843 to make a phone that you can just talk | rsnellenberger into." Major Thomb | -at-houston.rr.com |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
I found some detailed photos of it under construction: http://bmdsidc.mda.mil/MDA_Photo_Library/sbx.shtm Those are very odd looking ladders- like something out of "The Cabinet Of Dr. Caligari". :-) If you are referring to the crazy-curvy thinks that look like ladders, I suspect they are actually wireways. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Reed Snellenberger wrote: Here's a picture to help your brain (shows the U.S.S. Cole being brought back from Yemen). http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...ke/burke2.html That doesn't even look real, does it? It looks like toy boats stacked up in a bathtub. :-D Pat |
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Derek Lyons wrote: Pat Flannery wrote: I found some detailed photos of it under construction: http://bmdsidc.mda.mil/MDA_Photo_Library/sbx.shtm Those are very odd looking ladders- like something out of "The Cabinet Of Dr. Caligari". :-) If you are referring to the crazy-curvy thinks that look like ladders, I suspect they are actually wireways. I thought that at first also, but they look more like ladders that allow access to the antenna no matter how it's elevated or slewed. The size and crossbar spacing are right, and the ones on either side of the elevation gear don't seem to join to anything at their lower ends. You could be right though- I can picture masses of cables being laid inside them that haven't been installed when the picture was taken. Pat |
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Damon Hill wrote: Must be semisubmersible, to be able to load/unload something as large as that... That's right. They take on ballast until the main deck is several meters underwater, the load is floated over it, and the ballast is pumped out (carefully!). See http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=25&project=81 for a general idea of what is being contemplated for SBX and http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=25 for other impressive pictures of heavy lifting. |
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Ed Kyle wrote:
How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety) drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile defense radar system. I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28 Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures Program ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor. Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week. The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile, demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles. "We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners, vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a realistic missile threat. [snip] |
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Allen Thomson wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety) drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile defense radar system. I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28 Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures Program ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor. Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week. The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile, demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles. "We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners, vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a realistic missile threat. [snip] The following writeup appears to describe the origin of the test missile. Something called AltAir: "http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/altair.htm" The two-stage version of this thing would probably weigh about 16 tonnes with payload, so it really is a fairly "big" rocket. Which makes me wonder. What is the heaviest launch vehicle load that could be carried by a C-17? Could it handle a 36 tonne Minotaur, which can orbit as much as 640 kg? Some tonnes must be required just for the launcher equipment, and I see that the max loading is thought to be something like 77 tonnes. It would seem that the missile defense effort might be creating some potentially useful space launch infrastructure. - Ed Kyle |
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Ed Kyle wrote: Allen Thomson wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety) drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile defense radar system. I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28 Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures Program ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor. Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week. The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile, demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles. "We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners, vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a realistic missile threat. [snip] The following writeup appears to describe the origin of the test missile. Something called AltAir: "http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/altair.htm" The two-stage version of this thing would probably weigh about 16 tonnes with payload, so it really is a fairly "big" rocket. Which makes me wonder. What is the heaviest launch vehicle load that could be carried by a C-17? Could it handle a 36 tonne Minotaur, which can orbit as much as 640 kg? Some tonnes must be required just for the launcher equipment, and I see that the max loading is thought to be something like 77 tonnes. It looks like they already did this almost, with what looks to be the first two stages of a Minuteman that would have weighed more than 30 tonnes. "http://www.crc.com/SRALT.htm" - Ed Kyle It would seem that the missile defense effort might be creating some potentially useful space launch infrastructure. - Ed Kyle |
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Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm Also http://ax.losangeles.af.mil/axf/eaapgs/docs/lraltea.pdf |
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Ed Kyle wrote: Allen Thomson wrote: Ed Kyle wrote: How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety) drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile defense radar system. I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28 Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures Program ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor. Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week. The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile, demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles. "We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners, vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company. For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a realistic missile threat. [snip] The following writeup appears to describe the origin of the test missile. Something called AltAir: "http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/altair.htm" The two-stage version of this thing would probably weigh about 16 tonnes with payload, so it really is a fairly "big" rocket. Which makes me wonder. What is the heaviest launch vehicle load that could be carried by a C-17? Could it handle a 36 tonne Minotaur, which can orbit as much as 640 kg? Some tonnes must be required just for the launcher equipment, and I see that the max loading is thought to be something like 77 tonnes. Sheesh. It looks like it has already been done almost. "http://www.crc.com/SRALT.htm" This thing looks like it consisted of the first two stages of a Minuteman, which would have weighed in at more than 30 tonnes. They've been busy out there over the Pacific horizon... - Ed Kyle It would seem that the missile defense effort might be creating some potentially useful space launch infrastructure. - Ed Kyle |
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